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Neriel Odershank
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Posted - 2009.07.07 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Neriel Odershank on 07/07/2009 18:08:27 edit: spelling
Drones were changed already, do you remember when scooping them used to instantly fully recharge their shield? Yeah, you got the point: why is that bad for drones, but is good for ships?
When a ship docks it gets his shield instantly repaired, it can then undock again completely "healed" (and it's free too, while if you want to repair armor you must pay.. ALOT). While at war, or in 0.0, this can be used almost like an exploit: get aggro, dock when almost in armor, then undock again. In the meanwhile anything can happen.
So there are 3 options imo:
1. give drones back their instant shield repair
2. give ships a free and instant armor repair when docked
3. remove instant shield repair for docked ships
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.07.07 19:05:00 -
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You really see an "apples to apples" comparison between a drone bay and a station dock?
Drone bay = open door to an open space in your ship Station = repair facilities, restaurants, living quarters, shops... hell it's a floating city.
Even a RV park in today's world will give you an extension cord to plug in and a place to empty the latrine.... more than a drone bay.
I don't think it's beyond reason that the station dock would have a place to plug in your shield recharger, they'll probably even wipe the windows while they are at it. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Neriel Odershank
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Posted - 2009.07.07 19:13:00 -
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Why they don't repair my armor then?
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Verys
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Neriel Odershank Why they don't repair my armor then?
Oh no he did not...
When you dock up your ships is hooked on the stations power which immediately recharges your shield (it's made of energy) and your capacitor. This is the reason why they get recharged immediately.
The station doesn't repair armor because its a solid and you can't recharge it. The only way you can fix it is by repairing it by replacing plates or using the nanobot technology on it at a super fast scale (see armor repair modules). So this takes a separate installation to do, which takes money to operate (if your going that deep down)
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Neriel Odershank
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Posted - 2009.07.07 19:42:00 -
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You can say whatever you want, nothing change. Talking about game mechanics there is something wrong, this is not real life, nor anything real, so stop say "they plug the shiel recharger in and blablabla".
AT THE VERY LEAST recharging the shields while docked should take some time, and not instantly bump it at full maximum capacity, wtf.
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Neriel Odershank
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Posted - 2009.07.07 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Neriel Odershank on 07/07/2009 19:45:03
Originally by: Neriel Odershank (it's made of energy) and your capacitor. This is the reason why they get recharged immediately.
The station doesn't repair armor because its a solid and you can't recharge it. The only way you can fix it is by repairing it [...] this takes a separate installation to do, which takes money to operat
And btw, just to make it clear: energy got a cost too, so your point fail, becouse instead of using that energy to recharge the shield it could be used to power the repairers for the armor, it's the very same thing.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:06:00 -
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Someone got burned by someone else playing station games.
It's not an issue.
NO SUPPORT --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:07:00 -
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just say NO ...
... to stupid ideas.
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Verys
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Verys on 07/07/2009 20:30:47
Originally by: Neriel Odershank And btw, just to make it clear: energy got a cost too, so your point fail, becouse instead of using that energy to recharge the shield it could be used to power the repairers for the armor, it's the very same thing.
Yes because the size of a station power generation device is the same size as that of your capacitor...
If you want this you might as well go ask for passive armor regeneration.
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Oam Mkoll
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:37:00 -
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Not an issue. -1 for comparing docking at a station and letting a tiny combat robot into a tiny shipboard garage.
No support.
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Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.07.07 21:59:00 -
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Not supported. Keep the diversity that makes Eve great :) If you think this makes shield tankers overpowered, go train some shield skills and fly your own shield tanker. As someone who can't even use T1 invulnerability fields, I fully do not support this issue- the system is fine as is :)
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Tommy Blue
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Posted - 2009.07.08 05:18:00 -
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Shield tanks pail to armor, they need some kind of extra umpf :)
Not supported for all the reasons outlined above.
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Zenethalos
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.08 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Neriel Odershank Why they don't repair my armor then?
Because you're a tool posting with an alt so fresh the avatar pic does not show up.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.08 11:08:00 -
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When drones go to low shield, they can be instantly scooped and redeployed. When a ship is at low shield, it has to wait 60 s to deaggress, then takes at least another 30 s waiting for session changes to be able to undock again.
That's the difference, basically.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.08 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 08/07/2009 13:48:28 How about just making it so the shield recharge rate while docked is like 500% the normal rate, but doesn't completely recharge shields instantly?
You would need to see the level of your shields somewhere like in the fitting window so you can tell when it's done, but other than that, it wouldn't require much development and I think it just makes sense.
They could even make it so different station types have different recharge rates (depending on size).
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Oam Mkoll
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.08 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 08/07/2009 13:48:28 How about just making it so the shield recharge rate while docked is like 500% the normal rate, but doesn't completely recharge shields instantly?
You would need to see the level of your shields somewhere like in the fitting window so you can tell when it's done, but other than that, it wouldn't require much development and I think it just makes sense.
They could even make it so different station types have different recharge rates (depending on size).
Yes! It's so much better now!
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Namik0
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Posted - 2009.07.08 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Neriel Odershank Edited by: Neriel Odershank on 07/07/2009 18:08:27 edit: spelling
Drones were changed already, do you remember when scooping them used to instantly fully recharge their shield? Yeah, you got the point: why is that bad for drones, but is good for ships?
When a ship docks it gets his shield instantly repaired, it can then undock again completely "healed" (and it's free too, while if you want to repair armor you must pay.. ALOT).
While at war, or in 0.0, this can be used almost like an exploit: get aggro, dock when almost in armor, then undock again. In the meanwhile anything can happen.
So there are 3 options imo:
1. give drones back their instant shield repair
2. give ships a free and instant armor repair when docked
3. remove instant shield repair for docked ships
You are an idiot... and I won't even bother saying why because it has already been said so many time. NO SUPPORT. And you fail for being an idiot.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Namik0 You are an idiot... and I won't even bother saying why because it has already been said so many time. NO SUPPORT. And you fail for being an idiot.
Look who's talking... Why is this stupid? The fact is shields being recharged instantly when you dock at a station makes no sense. Make it recharge 5 or 10 times faster when docked, but don't instantly recharge it like magic!
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Lladar
Gallente Gamers Haven
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Posted - 2009.07.08 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Originally by: Namik0 You are an idiot... and I won't even bother saying why because it has already been said so many time. NO SUPPORT. And you fail for being an idiot.
Look who's talking... Why is this stupid? The fact is shields being recharged instantly when you dock at a station makes no sense. Make it recharge 5 or 10 times faster when docked, but don't instantly recharge it like magic!
Seriously, would it make a difference if you had to spend a whole 1-2min waiting for it to charge? Every time I dock I spend far more time there anyways. There is no point and of course it should be instant anyways. You are thinking about how it would be like in our time... if we were in space we would have mastered and harvested energy that we could never imagine. To think it wouldn't be almost instant is clearly showing a limitation on your imagination.
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Ninja Jones
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Posted - 2009.07.08 22:07:00 -
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This is silly.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.09 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri You really see an "apples to apples" comparison between a drone bay and a station dock?
Drone bay = open door to an open space in your ship Station = repair facilities, restaurants, living quarters, shops... hell it's a floating city.
Even a RV park in today's world will give you an extension cord to plug in and a place to empty the latrine.... more than a drone bay.
I don't think it's beyond reason that the station dock would have a place to plug in your shield recharger, they'll probably even wipe the windows while they are at it.
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