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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:36:00 -
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Dynast wrote:
So.. Amarr/Caldari militias are supposed to fight Minmatar/Gallente militias. The mechanics aren't perfect but they pretty well dictate who is supposed to be on whose side. .
Underlined what i added. Tough luck, we don't play the way its supposed to be played, we play it exactly as we please both SOTF and us.
Quote: You get to pick which side you're on.
Absolutely: sides were picked - lots of juicy drama ensued.
/emote keeps on munching popcorn |
Turkish Waiter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:41:00 -
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The obvious alternative to W-BR calling upon SOTF for help, is to get significant help from the rest of the Amarr Militia.
" significant help from the rest of the Amarr Militia" - This is basically a joke, as its simply not possible. You just have to look through the corps posting in this thread to see how many corps in minnie and gal militia have 30+ active pilots. Amarr militia has one. If this all played out how FW should operate, it would be W-BR & a few rag tag corps from caldari & amarr VS iron oxide, late night, qcats, sotf, sp-dr, percussive, electus etc... (basically no fun for anyone)
I believe many good players/pvpers are in the amarr militia, but they are divided between too many small corps resulting in disjointed pvp philosophies and problems with fitting "doctrines". I know people get annoyed with this "doctrine" ****, but its fundamental in successful pvp, to get good fights. (I don't want to go into great length about this; If you bring a fleet out of 20 people, the counter fleet will base itself on killing 20 enemies, if 10 of that fleet do not follow the fitting regiment then the counter fleet will slaughter you, the 10 extra are more of a hindrance than help because they force the counter fleet to be larger before they undock).
I know personally that FG tells it straight, when talking with other amarr corps, he's trying to whip them into shape "drill instructor" style, which doesn't always sit well, but fundamentally he's trying to help, not to insult (he is even harsher on his corp members, and holds them to a much higher standard). His message is clear, you wanna fleet with W-BR its my way or the highway. This is why people are pretty vocal in disrespecting FG from the caldari side. W-BR have some burnt bridges in blackrise, for the same reasons (all the haters basically at some point have been kicked from fleet by FG because they brought a drake or some **** to an armor BS fleet, "who does he think he is, the arrogant bastard") FG's straight talking approach is not ideal diplomatically, but if he allows **** fits in from other amarr corps, it would undermine his authority within W-BR when disciplining members for fitting issues.
TLDR Whats better W-BR & SOTF vs Everyone else or W-BR vs SOTF & Everyone else (basically no fight)?
I'd like people to acknowledge that FG has been an integral factor in raising the game of all those involved in faction warfare, both friend and foe, and I'm disappointed that more people have not come out to support W-BR's only possible action in this situation other than bailing out.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
7
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:41:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:NB. Gall, if the caldari come to kick you out of Nisuwa give me a ring i'll pull all the stops out for you <3
Good to know in advance then that you go back from your earlier statements that WBR would never shoot Caldari militia members who are fighting gallente.
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:53:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Good to know in advance then that you go back from your earlier statements that WBR would never shoot Caldari militia members who are fighting gallente.
Reading comprehension 0/10 Damar.
Where does it say that i'd come shoot caldari? I said "i'll pull out all the stops". |
Turkish Waiter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:56:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:NB. Gall, if the caldari come to kick you out of Nisuwa give me a ring i'll pull all the stops out for you <3
Good to know in advance then that you go back from your earlier statements that WBR would never shoot Caldari militia members who are fighting gallente.
Damar, everyone understands in advance how you treat people. Someone could go out of their way to help you countless times, but as soon as they do one thing that you don't like, they become an enemy for life. This is why people tend to keep their distance from you, you're way too high maintenance.
The statement you refer to was probably just one of many to try and avoid a damar hissy fit. Look at yourself; for example count how many times you've kicked people from your channels for trivial things only for them to be back in the channel when it suits you. |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:59:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Dynast wrote:
So.. Amarr/Caldari militias are supposed to fight Minmatar/Gallente militias. The mechanics aren't perfect but they pretty well dictate who is supposed to be on whose side. .
Underlined what i added. Tough luck, we don't play the way its supposed to be played, we play it exactly as we please both SOTF and us. There's a whole universe of EVE out there where you get to do what you want, to whoever you want, whenever you want. It's called null sec. You know what Faction Warfare is for, it's not a complex concept, it's right there in the name. Sure, the mechanics are weak enough that you can claim protection from one faction then get away with shooting that faction, but you know what was intended. You know you're playing a game, and games only work when there are rules.
In a normal situation, people who **** on the rules like this wouldn't get invited back to someone's house. If it was a game over money, like poker, maybe someone gets their ass kicked. Or worse. But you're obfuscated behind the internet and can safely pretend that twisting the game mechanics around to maintain some contemptible nullsec "bropact" is somehow impressive.
Like I said, ***** move. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
158
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:00:00 -
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Turkish Waiter wrote:
" significant help from the rest of the Amarr Militia" - This is basically a joke, as its simply not possible. You just have to look through the corps posting in this thread to see how many corps in minnie and gal militia have 30+ active pilots. Amarr militia has one. If this all played out how FW should operate, it would be W-BR & a few rag tag corps from caldari & amarr VS iron oxide, late night, qcats, sotf, sp-dr, percussive, electus etc... (basically no fun for anyone)
Lets be fair though, the past weekend has gotten all of Amarr to work together for the single goal of stopping the minmatar onslaught and a lot of the Amarrian pilots have started to view FATE differently as well.
Its nowhere near yet where i'd personally like it to be in terms of cohesion and working together, but we'll damn sure get there. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:02:00 -
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Dynast wrote:
more of the same
Tell me how you really feel.
Eve is a sandbox and we'll play it any way we please - deal with it. |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:03:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Tell me how you really feel.
Eve is a sandbox and we'll play it any way we please - deal with it. I am dealing with it. I'm telling you that you're a *****. There isn't really much else to do, I'm certainly not going to go tilting at windmills shooting Amarr militia corps. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
7
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:06:00 -
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Turkish Waiter wrote:Damar, everyone understands in advance how you treat people. Someone could go out of their way to help you countless times, but as soon as they do one thing that you don't like, they become an enemy for life. This is why people tend to keep their distance from you, you're way too high maintenance.
No, it's only when they wear the green jersey. I get along quite ok with Super Chair, Bolsterbomb and Mutnin (was he ever with froggies though, was minmatar at least) when they dont' have it. It's a bit like on/off switch. Theronth, Madbuster, Adolf, etc. were all my good buddies at one stage. But they swapped the shirts, so I swapped my opinion of them.
Also, I would recommend all Caldari to stop interfering with the drama-lama here and only comment if it actually effects Caldari militia. Right now it does not and frankly, why should we care? I merely commented on FG basicly threathening to go back on his word not to shoot Caldari militia.
And Turkish, multiple times I flew 20j to help WBR so don't talk to me about how to help or treat people. |
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FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:07:00 -
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Dynast wrote:
I am dealing with it. I'm telling you that you're a *****.
Now tell me how you really feel, son.
Delicious rage is delicious. |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:11:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Now tell me how you really feel, son.
Delicious rage is delicious. You're actually proud to say something like that? I rest my case. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:12:00 -
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Dynast wrote:FIRST GENERAL wrote:Tell me how you really feel.
Eve is a sandbox and we'll play it any way we please - deal with it. I am dealing with it. I'm telling you that you're a *****. There isn't really much else to do, I'm certainly not going to go tilting at windmills shooting Amarr militia corps.
Ouch!
Page 16, wow the butthurt is still strong.
And @ Julius Foederatus - You dont get to tell me who i can and can not be blue with or who i can or can not work with.
Threatening to revoke militia TS and GMI to DnD is a joke my friend, if you wanna be all pissy then just do it already and cause lots more drama in the process, because i catagorically state now that my stance and how we do things in SoTF will not change and i would do exactly the same again. |
Turkish Waiter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:18:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Turkish Waiter wrote:Damar, everyone understands in advance how you treat people. Someone could go out of their way to help you countless times, but as soon as they do one thing that you don't like, they become an enemy for life. This is why people tend to keep their distance from you, you're way too high maintenance. No, it's only when they wear the green jersey. I get along quite ok with Super Chair, Bolsterbomb and Mutnin (was he ever with froggies though, was minmatar at least) when they dont' have it. It's a bit like on/off switch. Theronth, Madbuster, Adolf, etc. were all my good buddies at one stage. But they swapped the shirts, so I swapped my opinion of them. Also, I would recommend all Caldari to stop interfering with the drama-lama here and only comment if it actually effects Caldari militia. Right now it does not and frankly, why should we care? I merely commented on FG basicly threathening to go back on his word not to shoot Caldari militia. And Turkish, multiple times I flew 20j to help WBR so don't talk to me about how to help or treat people.
You've only ever flown 20 jumps to help W-BR if it might result in a flipped system and a victory post in the name of Damar. As a gamer in Eve I have a massive amount of respect for you. You're an excellent pvp'er and if i were ever to have to counter plex you I'd just give up before i started. You were a huge asset for the amarr when you single handedly began reclaiming systems in the amarr/minnie warzone, and taught so many the mechanics and nuances of FW plexing, but please don't claim that the motives are anything but gaining personal glory, and an opportunity to troll/flame the frogs. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
7
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:27:00 -
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Turkish Waiter wrote:You've only ever flown 20 jumps to help W-BR if it might result in a flipped system and a victory post in the name of Damar. As a gamer in Eve I have a massive amount of respect for you. You're an excellent pvp'er and if i were ever to have to counter plex you I'd just give up before i started. You were a huge asset for the amarr when you single handedly began reclaiming systems in the amarr/minnie warzone, and taught so many the mechanics and nuances of FW plexing, but please don't claim that the motives are anything but gaining personal glory, and an opportunity to troll/flame the frogs.
lolwut? Multiple times i've flown over to join wbr fleet to do something so "glorious" and "forum worth" things like flying an ECM scorpion which ended up guarding on-lining POS for 20 minutes or a falcon scout/cyno
And reason why I was in Dal was because back then Caldari was even in sorrier state than it is right now that I moved to Dal in disgust since Lancress told me, in his own words, that it offered "mission noobtards to harvest & instant pvp". I told I would return to Black Rise when Caldari could muster bunker busting fleets and eventually they could.
There was also the "payback" to be had for minmatar for their time in Eugales and actually the whole "D'amarr Victor" shout after succesful bunker busts was invented by Flyinghotpocket (if I recall correctly) as means to cause a pissy-fit in the matars.
Anyway, this is derailing the thread. His Royal Highness now demands more drama-lama since I have not eaten all the popcorn yet |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:53:00 -
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Dynast wrote:
I rest my case.
You don't have a case, except for maybe a nutcase.
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Mystical Might
Alekhine's Gun Drunk 'n' Disorderly
101
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:16:00 -
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'erryday, I log in and there's another couple pages... Can we push it up to 18 today?
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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:29:00 -
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Amarr Victor! :) |
Mystical Might
Alekhine's Gun Drunk 'n' Disorderly
102
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:53:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:
... as SOTF revokes blue status from all Minmatar entities and we follow suit by revoking their blue status ...
Baha. That is all.
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Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:06:00 -
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So, now is a good time to join Amarr militia, or what? |
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Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
7
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:12:00 -
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Suzu Fujibayashi wrote:So, now is a good time to join Amarr militia, or what?
Or just join SOTF, which apparently amounts to the same thing these days. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:13:00 -
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FIRST GENERAL wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:This whole thing seems like a waste of time and rep for sotf.
Also, I love the way the amarr complain about numbers but can muster a 50 man fleet to take on a 15 man ahac gang in 5 minutes.
You really shouldn't bring up the AHAC gang argument, because you Crosi & SP-DR are just clueless as far as AHACS go and the best part about it, 90% of EVE lowsec knows this which ends up in you dieing 90% of the time you undock your AHACS. Quote:
Well, as CCP set the scene for a new level of FW, catering more towards low SP toons and new players, i think its time some of the old guard stand aside and let the new blood play. Its just that CCP neglected to make nullsec any good what-so-ever so thats a step that wont be taken or repeated by many people in the short term.
Oh and about us being lazy, you damn well bet we are. We don't log on everyday to pew pew for our home, if that's what we wanted to do we'd be in nullsec. As such the new FW doesn't cater towards more low sp toons and players it caters only higher numbers, you know this and i know this - pretending anything else just makes you look clueless and/or silly. Last but not least, i must thank you really, all of the minnies, the ridiculously huge stockpile of navy battleships we've got lying around is going to pay for at least 2-3 more Titans, they've already more than doubled in value thanks to your remarkable conquest effort. I must also commend your efforts in taking so many systems before the patch with no lp gain, because now, after the patch, i get to have fleet phoons for 75k lp. Cheers for making them dirtcheap i think you're going to see a lot of us flying them around soon. I really do enjoy others doing the work and then reaping the benefits.
SP-DR lose a couple pf ahac fleets because for months you complain about being outnumbered but as soon as sp-dr undock a fleet they are intercepted by 3 times their numbers before they can get much further than amamake lol. You know this to be true lol. If you can form up for that sort of special occasion, but not engage in frequent pvp to defend your system then you are indeed lazy.
The new FW, low sp or not, caters for people who will pew for their homes on a daily basis. The income from fw is dropping by 4x since low lp cost for bs in an illusion and will just flood the market and high lp cost wont equally resuly in rocketing prices of our goods. Less stable income means that ultimately the players who currently rely on fw income will have lower capacity to deploy dreadnaughts and such meaning all those cap sp coulld become useless to them in fw. Of course thats based on my somewhat sceptical view of how the economy will unfold. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
164
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:14:00 -
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kBeing Away From Game with only forum access from my work I really want to say
THIS TREAD DELIVERS. Thank you for all the fun I am having reading this.
In regards to the fighting I could have sworn I saw this same scenario in the Lord of The Rings movie (when they were fighting over that castle) with SoTF being the Riders of Rohan. Hmmm I wonder if Capitol One got to wear his fully decced knight armor suit for the local trolling that must have happened.
Miss you all much and look forward to being back on my couch (SUP FHP!) chasing sasawong out of plexes and suiciding my hawks into 10 man stabber fleet issue fleets.
TL/DR We wanted to blob. You didn't let us lob. Waaah. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
478
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:17:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Gallactica wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: No great surprise to learn that SF considers SOTF to be treacherous imperialist dogs quite deservedly -10. Gallente Nationalists propping up Amarrian Slavers ... what a complete surprise!
Who are you? Somebody happy to shoot at you. Any other stupid questions? Was a serious question, no idea who you are.
Like him or hate him, a 'who are you?' retort towards Jade Constantine, makes sound like an utter noob. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
FuzzyButt
Snuff Box
3
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:22:00 -
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I like Cake <3 |
Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
40
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:36:00 -
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Lock out wrote: Well, we don't care about occupancy warfare from an rp'ing or arbitrary mechanics point of view.
But we focused on saving Raka and Nenn because our friends from SLAPD and QCATS live there, not because some random rp reasons. We did the same for Kamela, tried (and succeded) to save a system where some friends live .
I am not interested in having some CCP arbitrary mechanic telling me who my friends and my enemies should be, I get to chose that and act accordingly, otherwise the whole ideea of sandbox is out the window and it becomes pretty linear.
This is really all that needs to be said. Sandbox, deal with it. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
110
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:37:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Gallactica wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Gallactica wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: No great surprise to learn that SF considers SOTF to be treacherous imperialist dogs quite deservedly -10. Gallente Nationalists propping up Amarrian Slavers ... what a complete surprise!
Who are you? Somebody happy to shoot at you. Any other stupid questions? Was a serious question, no idea who you are. Like him or hate him, a 'who are you?' retort towards Jade Constantine, makes sound like an utter noob.
I know exactly who jade is mate, we very nearly joined his alliance many moons ago :)
I was being pedantic regarding his relevance to this thread. |
Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
40
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:38:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote: [quote=Lock out] Well, we don't care about occupancy warfare from an rp'ing or arbitrary mechanics point of view.
But we focused on saving Raka and Nenn because our friends from SLAPD and QCATS live there, not because some random rp reasons. We did the same for Kamela, tried (and succeded) to save a system where some friends live .
I am not interested in having some CCP arbitrary mechanic telling me who my friends and my enemies should be, I get to chose that and act accordingly, otherwise the whole ideea of sandbox is out the window and it becomes pretty linear.
This ^^ is really all that needs to be said. Sandbox, deal with it. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
19
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:47:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:kBeing Away From Game with only forum access from my work I really want to say
THIS TREAD DELIVERS. Thank you for all the fun I am having reading this.
In regards to the fighting I could have sworn I saw this same scenario in the Lord of The Rings movie (when they were fighting over that castle) with SoTF being the Riders of Rohan. Hmmm I wonder if Capitol One got to wear his fully decced knight armor suit for the local trolling that must have happened.
Miss you all much and look forward to being back on my couch (SUP FHP!) chasing sasawong out of plexes and suiciding my hawks into 10 man stabber fleet issue fleets.
TL/DR We wanted to blob. You didn't let us lob. Waaah.
I was indeed wearing my shiny knight armor, but for entirely different reasons. I wore it because I'm an Amarrian and WE ARE AWESOME! And because kicking minnie ass is so much more fun that way :P |
Theronth Valarax
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:03:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Turkish Waiter wrote:Damar, everyone understands in advance how you treat people. Someone could go out of their way to help you countless times, but as soon as they do one thing that you don't like, they become an enemy for life. This is why people tend to keep their distance from you, you're way too high maintenance. No, it's only when they wear the green jersey. I get along quite ok with Super Chair, Bolsterbomb and Mutnin (was he ever with froggies though, was minmatar at least) when they dont' have it. It's a bit like on/off switch. Theronth, Madbuster, Adolf, etc. were all my good buddies at one stage. But they swapped the shirts, so I swapped my opinion of them. Does it mean we are neutral now Damar? I mean, I still wanna invite you to BOSS shoot, but I'm afraid you wouldn't come just because I'm traitor to Caldari cause :(
EDIT: To random TEST fags in FW thread!!!
xXPIZZAXx flies Thrashers when we are high, but when we board real ships you rarely undock, and when you do we just farm your mails, nom nom :D Deal with it
Broski dead, yo! |
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