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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:09:00 -
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Lord Azeroth wrote:There were lots of good fights, I am content. May it continue !!! Probably not, but we can hope.
That is really up to you guys. If you keep bringing it, we'll keep showing up. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:43:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:LNA are such buffoons that I've twice been tempted to praise Iron Oxide in this thread, which is unsettling. I approve of this message.
/edit On topic, There were lots of goodfights, i enjoyed it. Lame ending thanks to SOTF but well, we succeeded. pew pew |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
6
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:04:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Another reason we didnt cap any offensive systems is that due to a bug, our entire corp was not in GalMil during the most important plexing day of the year. We simply could not run buttons. Hopefully that will be fixed today. ;)
So you screwed up with your alt corp who has high enough standings to never pull npc aggro from plexes?
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Aya beoulve
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:14:00 -
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BATTLE REPORT (from a neutral point of view)
one day i was care-bearing peacefully in my little corner in null, i heard a lot of people talking about FW and that it is on fire these days, as an entrepreneur, i created this alt and went to have a good time watching and of course ninja loot all the wrecks out there.
1st Day : at first Amarr kept trying to conquer Kourmounen, they kept pushing it almost all day, but when the minmatar started to log on, they managed to stop the amarr and they kep skirmishing in kourm, at this point it looked like the amarr wont be able to get kourm this day and that would be it, but suddenly Lamaa turned to minmatar, when did that happen and how, i really dont know, minmatar just kept the amarr busy in kourm and somehow managed to snatch lamaa, MINMATAR VICKTOR.
2nd Day: Almost exactly the same as the previous day, huge fights in kourm but without any real danger to flip it to the amarr side, i went ninja looting around for acouple of hours then logged off, when i came back the next day, the minmatar did flip Lapapi, Oyonata, and kurnainen, and kourm was decontested whoa!! MINMATAR VICTOR.
3rd Day: now it looked like the minmatar had enough and started pushing kamela, although from my observations, it was somewhat evenly matched numbers, 100 Minmatar - 80 Amarr, amarr started to call their friends, first we see a punch of AAA who got bored really fast and went home shortly after without doing anything, and there was that unknown entitiy called psychotic tendencies which was useless most of the time.. after that came the gallente with their 10 gaurdians, and to be honest they only managed to hold the major plexes, the minmatar kept conquering the minors and the mediums, and finally Some useless CVA went to the amarr aid as well. Amarr tried to Smart-bomb the minnies destroyers by placing a typhoon near a gate or near the station, and they successfully smarbombed their to be allies FWeddit so many times. the minmatar couldn't take kamela that day so we can say AMRR VICTOR? slightly .
Observations: 1- so as you can see in the minmatar days they won the defense and took a couple of systems, while amarr only managed to defend one system without taking anything and with the help of 4 other entities. So overall MINMATAR VICTOR !!!!
2- you might see me a little biased toward the minmatar, it is true for a couple reasons, Amarr was really hostile against me, all of their pilots kept killing my poor velator for no reason just because they could, on the other hand the minmatar pilots never even targeted me when i tagged along their fleets, that shows discipline , GCCing on alone velator is of a huge importance to the amarr in the midst of all this chaos. also Minmatar was most of the time polite in local while the amarr and gallente kept posting stupid photos and low level smack.
tl:dr Version: MINMATAR VICTOR - AMARR FAILURE .
ok time to delete this alt, was fun FW dudes.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
921
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:24:00 -
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Simple solution: stop being blue with enemy militia corporations. It makes no sense. Mane 614
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Lord Azeroth
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
28
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:28:00 -
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Aya beoulve wrote:BATTLE REPORT (from a neutral point of view)
one day i was care-bearing peacefully in my little corner in null, i heard a lot of people talking about FW and that it is on fire these days, as an entrepreneur, i created this alt and went to have a good time watching and of course ninja loot all the wrecks out there.
1st Day : at first Amarr kept trying to conquer Kourmounen, they kept pushing it almost all day, but when the minmatar started to log on, they managed to stop the amarr and they kep skirmishing in kourm, at this point it looked like the amarr wont be able to get kourm this day and that would be it, but suddenly Lamaa turned to minmatar, when did that happen and how, i really dont know, minmatar just kept the amarr busy in kourm and somehow managed to snatch lamaa, MINMATAR VICKTOR.
2nd Day: Almost exactly the same as the previous day, huge fights in kourm but without any real danger to flip it to the amarr side, i went ninja looting around for acouple of hours then logged off, when i came back the next day, the minmatar did flip Lapapi, Oyonata, and kurnainen, and kourm was decontested whoa!! MINMATAR VICTOR.
3rd Day: now it looked like the minmatar had enough and started pushing kamela, although from my observations, it was somewhat evenly matched numbers, 100 Minmatar - 80 Amarr, amarr started to call their friends, first we see a punch of AAA who got bored really fast and went home shortly after without doing anything, and there was that unknown entitiy called psychotic tendencies which was useless most of the time.. after that came the gallente with their 10 gaurdians, and to be honest they only managed to hold the major plexes, the minmatar kept conquering the minors and the mediums, and finally Some useless CVA went to the amarr aid as well. Amarr tried to Smart-bomb the minnies destroyers by placing a typhoon near a gate or near the station, and they successfully smarbombed their to be allies FWeddit so many times. the minmatar couldn't take kamela that day so we can say AMRR VICTOR? slightly .
Observations: 1- so as you can see in the minmatar days they won the defense and took a couple of systems, while amarr only managed to defend one system without taking anything and with the help of 4 other entities. So overall MINMATAR VICTOR !!!!
2- you might see me a little biased toward the minmatar, it is true for a couple reasons, Amarr was really hostile against me, all of their pilots kept killing my poor velator for no reason just because they could, on the other hand the minmatar pilots never even targeted me when i tagged along their fleets, that shows discipline , GCCing on alone velator is of a huge importance to the amarr in the midst of all this chaos. also Minmatar was most of the time polite in local while the amarr and gallente kept posting stupid photos and low level smack.
tl:dr Version: MINMATAR VICTOR - AMARR FAILURE .
ok time to delete this alt, was fun FW dudes.
Worst battle report ever. Wish I had killed that stupid little ship too now :p |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
125
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:29:00 -
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If we had been able to cap all plexes using a week old alt in a frig then you can be damn sure there wouldn't have been any Shakorite presence outside of Pator. But alas, to make any headway we need to field large'ish gangs 23/7 just to plex .. more people if opposed .. only to have the lone frig undo everything once we turn our backs.
There is no victory, only the abject failure of CCP Flip-Flop, aka. CCP Soundwave, and his cronies in believing that plexing balance "can wait" when we (all four sides!!!) have been bitching about it for three goddamn years.
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unbless83
T.R.I.A.D Defiant Legacy
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:34:00 -
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minmatar= we come for your cookies amarr= RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
25
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:47:00 -
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The minmitar started this thread as a whiny bitchy little post forged through anger that they couldn't enjoy their numerical supremecy to achieve their goals (later the OP changed when his tantrum subsided).
They were surprised that SOTF and WBR share a friendship despite different theatres of war (You shouldn't, it's hardly hidden or new)
"Operation Lets try take Kamela before patch aka win the game before it started" Failed.
A few more skirmishes will be had but you won't be able to muster those numbers again minmitar. Your promises of pushing WBR out of Kamela were tempting to your ranks, but due to your failure (But zomg you brought friends!) less will be inclined to try again.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
221
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:58:00 -
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I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
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Oppon's Pull
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
7
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:14:00 -
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I do like how the pre-emptive 'we won, we beat the Amarr' thread turned into a boohoo we attacked SOTF's allies and they helped defend them thread. |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
25
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:16:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
222
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:16:00 -
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LOL, under the "It's not a crime if you don't get caught" category of faction warfare, Amarr bugged every plex in Kamela after downtime today.
/me waiting for reply from Damar about Gallente exploiting system, yada, yada, yada.... |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
222
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:17:00 -
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Tekitha wrote:X Gallentius wrote:I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you? ^^^ Forum troll. |
Loriarti
Korian Industrial Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:20:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Tekitha wrote:For the record, SOTF mandate for today was as follows ...
assist WBR in holding their home system Kamela, the reason we got involved is simple. It's no secret that WBR and SOTF run joint ops regularly, providing both subcap support and heavy cap support for each other on a regular basis, it would severely diminish our capabilites to support each other in such a way if either of us were to lose our home systems, we could not allow this to happen.
Our engagement protocol for the op was clear, we were flying mostly guardians and supporting only by way of logistics, we also had one or two combat ships who were only given the green light to shoot neutrals and minmatar that WERE NOT BLUE
No blue pilots were fired upon in Kamela by SOTF pilots today
That is all basically to all 3rd parties this is what SOTF did which was so nice to us their blues, they brought 15 guardians and multiple triage carriers into kamela, we obviously cant shoot blues meaning they removed our ability to ever contest majors, the bunker and anywhere outside mediums and minors. an agreement was hashed that we wouldnt attack kamela if wbr didnt offensively plex until dt, we then proceeded to contest sahtogas which they forgot to mention on the agreement we also cant shoot, we told them to **** off tears were had, Drunk n disordely was reset, more tears were had. when caldari need help taking your home system is it cool if we bring along a load of logi's and caps yeah? ok cool cheers bro oh and btw wbr has had to batphone cva aaa test goons, drunk n disorderly just to hold onto kamela, pro guys real pro
Hmmm... about the 'batphoning.' I'm sorry Amarr currently doesn't have the overwhelming superior numbers of the Minmatar Militia. It pains me that they would have to call in allies, however, don't cry and whine when they call in enough groups to equalize the numbers, they were one corp, and even if they are the strongest, still one corp verses the might of the Minmatar Militia. I doubt you would have downshipped or allowed 'good fights' to occur without spamming them with unbeatable numbers.
Also, "when caldari need help taking your home system is it cool if we bring along a load of logi's and caps yeah? "
Amarr wasn't taking your home system, you were taking there's, and there is a huge difference. If they assault the FINAL caldari stronghold, go help Caldari, but you're painting yourself as the defender, you're not, you were the aggressor. The difference isn't something you can sweep under the table.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
84
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:25:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
I disagree with this. The blue-on-blue PVP that SOTF performed is their own business, and if that was it I wouldn't care all that much. What infuriates me is what I view as SOTF's traitorous acts against the Federation. We're allied with the Minmatar, we can capture Amarr plexes and defend Minmatar plexes, and the Federation even gives us LP for performing those actions.
Instead, SOTF actively defended amarrian plexes. And while doing so must have consciously stayed off the plex capture button so that their Federation Militia status would not interfere with the defending of the Amarrian plex.
At the same time, SOTF do good work in the Gallente/Caldari theatre, and they've got a lot of great guys in corp. I'd also like to state that I have great respect for WBR, and have participated in blue ops with them in the past and would not hesitate to do so again should a mututally beneficial situation arise. I have no issue with friendship across militia lines against non-militia targets.
But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:26:00 -
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Seriously, did anyone expect anything other than betrayal from the Frogs? :) |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
215
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:35:00 -
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Sometimes you just have to say,
God I love EvE |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
73
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:38:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:So you were ****-blocked by an ally (and known affiliate of an enemy) and sent out solo frigates to plex everything in sight in retaliation .. imagine if you had the same NPC issues, that we have lived with for four damn years, then the block might have had meaning. Wake me up when CCP gets around to doing the hard part: Balancing rather than the easy bit of throwing ISK/LP at people. Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work. How else would they work with occupancy out and only sovereignty left to distinguish system ownership .. they either allow missions to 'friendly' space thus creating the biggest FarmVilleGäó rip-off in history, make a 'hidden' flag to send to previously hostile systems thus creating the second biggest FarmVilleGäó rip-off in history or they send mission whores to hostile systems. PS: Any of the three are possible with CCP Flip-Flop in charge though, so at this point your guess is as good mine I reckon Who is "CCP Flip-Flop", Prithee? |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
100
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:44:00 -
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chatgris wrote:X Gallentius wrote:I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
I disagree with this. The blue-on-blue PVP that SOTF performed is their own business, and if that was it I wouldn't care all that much. What infuriates me is what I view as SOTF's traitorous acts against the Federation. We're allied with the Minmatar, we can capture Amarr plexes and defend Minmatar plexes, and the Federation even gives us LP for performing those actions. Instead, SOTF actively defended amarrian plexes. And while doing so must have consciously stayed off the plex capture button so that their Federation Militia status would not interfere with the defending of the Amarrian plex. At the same time, SOTF do good work in the Gallente/Caldari theatre, and they've got a lot of great guys in corp. I'd also like to state that I have great respect for WBR, and have participated in blue ops with them in the past and would not hesitate to do so again should a mututally beneficial situation arise. I have no issue with friendship across militia lines against non-militia targets. But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me.
Rubbish Chat, no offense mate,
We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less. |
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
73
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:44:00 -
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Owena Owoked wrote:Zeerover wrote:You aggroed a fleet member, then you were taken out. Until downtime no one who shoots the Amarr fleet is left alone, no matter what faction you are in. We'll sort out the friendly fire from the legit targets after downtime. I agressed no Amarr pilot, but if you are harboring enemies in your fleet then you are not a friend. Simple as that. Any Cal mil pilot helping the amarr is an enemy of the state. How does that even make sense??
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
225
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:44:00 -
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chatgris wrote:But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me. Interesting perspective chatgris. I've seen so many alts in militia over the years capturing/defending plexes and such that I've become numb to it. But yeah, the blue-on-blue stuff affects them and them alone. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
100
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:46:00 -
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At no point were blues engaged. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
931
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:51:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less.
That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest. Mane 614
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
225
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:51:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:At no point were blues engaged. ^^^ Forum troll as well.
Either that, or I guess Tekitha and Gallactica want to get into a discussion on why RR'ing blues who are shooting people who are currently blue to them isn't blue-on-blue. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
120
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:54:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Hrett wrote:Another reason we didnt cap any offensive systems is that due to a bug, our entire corp was not in GalMil during the most important plexing day of the year. We simply could not run buttons. Hopefully that will be fixed today. ;)
So you screwed up with your alt corp who has high enough standings to never pull npc aggro from plexes?
No. Everything isnt a conspiracy theory. We left alliance, but fatfingered something and it kicked us out of FW too. Its resolved now. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
100
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:56:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Gallactica wrote:We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less. That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.
So tell me why half of the minmatar corps / alliances have had us at -10 for a long time just because of our roe?
That isn't allies / friends. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:03:00 -
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Gal, you have to understand that to a lot of folks, repping people shooting blues is the same as shooting blues. I know your smart enough to understand that and why people would feel that way. Right or wrong it's how many see this. So no matter how many times you say this and how many people Tek calls a ******* ****, it is what it is.
Gallactica wrote:At no point were blues engaged.
Personally I don't give a damn, less blues = more **** to shoot. I use to love flying with the minnies, but after going -10 they usually just try to shoot me anyways. Was down there the other day helping them out and got engaged by more minnies then I did Amarr. **** happens...move on.
Is sexy time? |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
932
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:11:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:So tell me why half of the minmatar corps / alliances have had us at -10 for a long time just because of our roe?
That isn't allies / friends.
"Because Minmatar corporations aren't nice to me, it's OK to ally our organisation with an enemy!" That's a complete non-sequitur. At no point did I even mention the Minmatar corporations because they quite patently have nothing to do with this. Regardless of your out-of-game friendships with them (which I do not object to in the slightest - out-of-game, I have friends in the Amarr and Caldari militias and in various null-sec alliances that I otherwise despise), Wolfsbrigade are an enemy of the Gallente militia and are clearly marked as such. They were originally in the Caldari militia and engaged in active warfare against the forces and territory of the FDU - they're now in Amarr space, and in the Amarr militia, fighting for Amarr space, but that doesn't make them any less of an enemy. Allied militia may not appear as a blue, but off-enemy militia still appears as flashy-red.
The Amarr militia opposes the Gallente militia. Wolfsbrigade are a member of the Amarr militia. You are a member of the Gallente militia. You are blue with Wolfsbrigade. Ergo, you are allied with an enemy of the Gallente militia. This is a conflict of interest. The actions of corporations within the Minmatar militia are irrelevant.
Spin this any way you want, by defending Kamela from Minmatar occupation you were aiding and abetting an enemy of the militia you're a part of. Whether or not you were firing on blues is a matter of personal opinion, but the fact that your actions constitute a direct and glaring conflict of interest is not. Mane 614
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:11:00 -
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Have to disagree with this, if that what was intended then minnie and gals would be "purple" via game mechanics, Which they are not.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.
Is sexy time? |
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