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faciliam
Dalax Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:10:00 -
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I used to play wow like alot of eve players and we watched them change the game so it would apeal to the masses.
So look at what eve is doing reminds of just that ....hey lets dumb it down so it apeals to the masses .....look at the datacore changes? ...how many things have they removed.
If it smells like **** and looks like **** must be ****. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
41
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:11:00 -
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hee haawwww! If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:11:00 -
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Looks like you have just been promoted to bitter vet.
Enjoy it baby as it comes to all of us in the end I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:13:00 -
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Passive datacore farming sounds like a WoW concept if anything to me.
How is making it harder to get datacores dumbing EVE down? Moving cores from PvE to PvP is more like WoW? Get lost whiner |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:13:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Looks like you have just been promoted to bitter vet.
Enjoy it baby as it comes to all of us in the end
** Achievement Unlocked! ** EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
81
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:16:00 -
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-100 interwebz points for admitting to playing wow
only one thing left to do...... bio mass huh? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
686
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:20:00 -
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yeah yeah eve is dying again, eve is finaly be dumbed down, even thought I thought that happened back in 2005 with the great speed nano nerf.
Whats the op smoking? Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:20:00 -
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killorbekilled TBE wrote:-100 interwebz points for admitting to playing wow
only one thing left to do...... bio mass
Commit sudoku? |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:23:00 -
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The players themselves are just as guilty to dumbing down game with all the 3rd party apps and informative websites.
Convenience is death to the relevance of player skill. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:26:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:Looks like you have just been promoted to bitter vet.
Enjoy it baby as it comes to all of us in the end ** Achievement Unlocked! ** Certificate Claimable ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:31:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:The players themselves are just as guilty to dumbing down game with all the 3rd party apps and informative websites.
Convenience is death to the relevance of player skill.
Blame Chirbba. A blight on Eve Online
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
385
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:33:00 -
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waa I have to work harder to get isk eve is dying waa Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:44:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The players themselves are just as guilty to dumbing down game with all the 3rd party apps and informative websites.
Convenience is death to the relevance of player skill. Blame Chirbba. A blight on Eve Online
Most of Chribba's toys didn't change much to gameplay. A forum search when it took years for CCP to make one, a centralized upload service and a server-status tracker hardly make the game itself much easier.
Tools like EFT, EVEMon and sites like eve-kill.net or eve-central.org however... Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:48:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote: Blame Chirbba. A blight on Eve Online
I fart in your general direction. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Sol Tertia
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:54:00 -
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faciliam wrote:I used to play wow like alot of eve players and we watched them change the game so it would apeal to the masses.
So look at what eve is doing reminds of just that ....hey lets dumb it down so it apeals to the masses .....look at the datacore changes? ...how many things have they removed.
If it smells like **** and looks like **** must be ****. Removing easy passive incomes is dumbing down? Interesting perspective there, do you also think water is dry and fire is cold? |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:54:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:Looks like you have just been promoted to bitter vet.
Enjoy it baby as it comes to all of us in the end ** Achievement Unlocked! ** Certificate Claimable !
I look at this less like an achievement system and more like a resume for applying to big boy corporations.
In my opinion we can officially declare EvE dumbed down when Mission Finder tools or pvp matchmaking tools become reality (1v1/5v5/50v50/500v500 etc). While I do notice new modules that are sort of jack of all trades, until CCP starts removing mod slots from ships you still have a large puzzle to piece together to find the best strategic fit for any given situation. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
676
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:02:00 -
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faciliam wrote:I used to play wow like alot of eve players and we watched them change the game so it would apeal to the masses.
So look at what eve is doing reminds of just that ....hey lets dumb it down so it apeals to the masses .....look at the datacore changes? ...how many things have they removed.
If it smells like **** and looks like **** must be ****. Been saying that since Hilmar came back from the dark side, 20% of the Rebal forum reps got fired, and every incarnation of titan nerfs...the DD to sub caps is understandable, logoffski is a must...but 20% of their hitpoints and drones (should be minimum 500m3 for a titan) + nerfing their oversized XL guns just because the other dudes can't be bother to bring capital ship busting DPS against a titan (The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship, its a fleet buster from AoE DD to single target, to nerf DD, to XL guns until the ship is now one limp ****)
Its not like the dudes had a chance to destroy those titans before they were built, but suddenly its unfair as they are now facing hordes of XL guns that can track their subcap fleets by sacrificing tank for tracking mods plus fleet trackle backing them up? Isn't it the fault of the pilot blowing up, not the fault of guy pulling the trigger...just as much as the fault of a hulk pilot fitting cargo expander instead of tank (for an example). Oh, and get this...XL gun tracking = blob issue fixed as fewer pilots are needed by one side...but thank god for CCP making those new target breaking mods that are not the current ECM. Yet players had already solved the issue? Funny that, an issue of over whelming numbers being fixed with titan blobs vs subcap blobs but...its not fair and we get a new mod to fix the issue. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:09:00 -
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I'd rather see Tranquility stay at a population of 20,000 to 50,000 players and have them mostly smart than see Tranquility at 100,000 to 500,000 players and have them mostly stupid.
EVE really isn't that hard anyway. It's difficult to get started sure, but once you figure out what ships you want to fly and how to make ISK the game isn't that difficult. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:14:00 -
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The tyranny of the mediocre. (D'Toqueville) In a majority rules situation, as the majority is mediocre, mediocrity will win out. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:19:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship, its a fleet buster from AoE DD to single target. Balanced by their cost and rarity, right Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:30:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aqriue wrote:The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship, its a fleet buster from AoE DD to single target. Balanced by their cost and rarity, right
CCP made the stupid mistake with titans forgetting that the ONLY effective way to limit a ship's overpopulation causing unbalance is by giving it a role that, even though it might function as a massive force multiplier, it doesn't scale much.
Something that NEVER applies for direct combat ships, because for them 'moar' is almost always better.
If the Titans were implemented as mobile corp-operated stations instead this would have never happened. Having one station on your frontline in null could help out a lot in a fight. Having two or more... not so much. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:30:00 -
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Sol Tertia wrote:faciliam wrote:I used to play wow like alot of eve players and we watched them change the game so it would apeal to the masses.
So look at what eve is doing reminds of just that ....hey lets dumb it down so it apeals to the masses .....look at the datacore changes? ...how many things have they removed.
If it smells like **** and looks like **** must be ****. Removing easy passive incomes is dumbing down? Interesting perspective there, do you also think water is dry and fire is cold?
Not that I mean to argue in the Ops favor, (I don't), but water is dry provided you are wet enough or there is a substantial difference in temperature between you and that water, (you positive, water negative).. Also, fire is cold relative to many other heat sources and is in fact actually just a effect created by combustion. Auction - EVE Rogues Alliance [ROGUE]: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438-á-á~ Latest bid: 40 million ISK. |
Generals4
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:31:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Looks like you have just been promoted to bitter vet.
Enjoy it baby as it comes to all of us in the end
Is it something like the facebook timeline. Nobody wants it but yet suddenly you have it? -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:32:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Aqriue wrote:The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship, its a fleet buster from AoE DD to single target. Balanced by their cost and rarity, right CCP made the stupid mistake with titans forgetting that the ONLY effective way to limit a ship's overpopulation causing unbalance is by giving it a role that, even though it might function as a massive force multiplier, it doesn't scale much. Something that NEVER applies for direct combat ships, because for them 'moar' is almost always better. If the Titans were implemented as mobile corp-operated stations instead this would have never happened. Having one station on your frontline in null could help out a lot in a fight. Having two or more... not so much. But but .. The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship !!! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: But but .. The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship !!!
And damn... where they effective at it! It's not like the low cost of 40m isk/shot of the DD was a big issue if it could wipe out billions of ISK worth of subcaps in one shot. Thus started the years where battleship-combat in null became close to non-existent.
So CCP changed the DD into a anti-cap weapon, basically once-shotting dreads and carriers. Thus started the years where capital-combat in null became close to non-existent (except for POS-combat ofcourse or in extremely raree battles where the capitals had nowhere to run, ending in utter bloodbaths).
Typical CCP trying to bandaid symptoms, too blind to see the real problem. It's the same with the dronepoo, Tech, empty low-sec, jumpclones, Jita overcrowding, Incursion blitzing, ship-tiers, 'bland'-balancing, etc. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:46:00 -
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faciliam wrote:I used to play wow like alot of eve players .
Lies.
Also, aren't they nerfing passive datacore farming?? Isn't that the opposite of dumbing the game down?
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
64
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:57:00 -
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Yeah, because removing the NPC generation of things like datacores and moving toward a more totally player-driven economy hasn't been an explicit goal of CCP from day one or anything.
(I will admit that I sorta miss the old doomsday "everything on grid dies" thing, though) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
846
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:59:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: But but .. The titan bringing DPS against subcaps was the entire point of the ship !!!
And damn... where they effective at it! It's not like the low cost of 40m isk/shot of the DD was a big issue if it could wipe out billions of ISK worth of subcaps in one shot. Thus started the years where battleship-combat in null became close to non-existent. So CCP changed the DD into a anti-cap weapon, basically once-shotting dreads and carriers. Thus started the years where capital-combat in null became close to non-existent (except for POS-combat ofcourse or in extremely raree battles where the capitals had nowhere to run, ending in utter bloodbaths). Typical CCP trying to bandaid symptoms, too blind to see the real problem. It's the same with the dronepoo, Tech, empty low-sec, jumpclones, Jita overcrowding, Incursion blitzing, ship-tiers, 'bland'-balancing, etc. Yeah. Well titans with their supercarrier escorts are really powerful. In theory a bigger blob can beat the other, but in practice, one or the other just leaves. Maybe you get a couple of kills. Nothing like a fleet "welp" though. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:02:00 -
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faciliam wrote: If it smells like cake and looks like cake must be cake.
Agreed |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:46:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Passive datacore farming sounds like a WoW concept if anything to me.
How is making it harder to get datacores dumbing EVE down? Moving cores from PvE to PvP is more like WoW? Get lost whiner
You've never played Wow
You don't have a clue what "farming" is
You have no clue how much time it takes to "farm" the required standings and skills
You have no clue about their real value and ratio isk won/time spent/taxes paid (it's called isk per hour)
Now you can go kill (farm) red crosses and come back when you have an answer to the previous points related to one character.
Have a nice evening farming red crosses, kill mails, minerals, anomalies or whatever you farm in Eve. |
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