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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate The Ashen Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:51:00 -
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I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.
I am reminded of the fanfest presentation about wardec mechanics, the dev present said quite sincerely when explaining the changes that "EVE is hard".
EVE is hard. But not because of the game mechanics, or the design or anything the devs planned when creating this game. EVE is hard because the players make it hard, they always have and they always will.
When pilots join together they can tame incursions, sleepers, easily beat the game for all the isk they can get, but they also can wreak havoc on all of us.
I'm not a friend of Goons, tho I have never fallen foul directly from their actions. I don't agree with their play style, but I would never call for them to be removed or stopped by CCP. I respect that they have found a way to use the game to their advantage, and the only way to "stop" them is to fight.
We've seen the many threads trying to rally people to take them on, they have a point the only way to try and stop them is to fight back. That's why EVE is hard.
When I was much younger a CEO of a high sec corp, we were deced by a 3 man group of pirates who thought we were a push over, before I would have said dock up guys, log off, don't give them the satisfaction. However this time I thought screw it we outnumber them we have heavy hitters in corp and nooblets to tackle, I adopted the goon doctrine for a change.
That evening we sat outside a space station having chased the buggers there, taking them totally by surprise. They congratulated us from inside the station on our courage and how well we had surprised them, a day or so later the war was retracted and we all felt great, and all the greater because it wasn't easy, because EVE is hard.
So I say to all those who feel helpless struggling to keep their head above the complexity of the sandbox, if you really want to feel what this game is like on hard mode, stand up for yourselves make friends and new allies band together and fight. Actually play this game in it's full potential, I won't lie it's likely you will lose.
Afterall, EVE is hard. EVE Racing event thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:58:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.
As good an advertisement as any for keeping a large supply of liquid capital.
Good post. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:01:00 -
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Your going to have many failures in EVE. A few of them may make you want to quit the game altogether. Those that persevere wind up being among the most successful in this game. |
Akir Apathi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:07:00 -
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I agree. It is hard and it should be hard; not only because it gives us a reason to fight, but also because it gives us something to aspire to. The leaders of today in our world are the subjects of disgrace tomorrow, and the same rules apply to EVE because we are equally free to do what we want in EVE. Want to fraud a newbie? Do so, but be rest assured that a lot of people will look upon you with disgust. Want to evict an alliance from their systems? Do so, but you need help and must create your own alliance first. The people who will take their time to study the game, its mechanics and all the information out there, will in time be separated from those whom refuse to or simply doesn't want to do the borings parts. New Eden is Darwin's universe naked.
In New Eden everything is possible with enough good people and that's the reason we keep going. We find anti-pirates to build a morally fierce corporation, or pirates to build a corporation which completely lacks the concept of morality. Whatever we choose to do, be rest assured that none of us have thoughts about EVE which are unique.
Nice post. "He's happy. We must stop this before it spreads." - Dr. House |
Kratisto
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:08:00 -
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I would not say "keep liquid isk" as much as I would say "make sure your belongings are safe", and "have an escape plan at all times".
Its nice to have 50 ships in one place; you would just be best off if most of them are small, and you have a carrier, however. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:11:00 -
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Kratisto wrote:I would not say "keep liquid isk" as much as I would say "make sure your belongings are safe", and "have an escape plan at all times".
Its nice to have 50 ships in one place; you would just be best off if most of them are small, and you have a carrier, however. Having a large supply of Ships is good but if the unthinkables unthinkable happens you should always have a healthy ISK Safety Net. Even if it is just a small one so you can resume normal operations at any time.
Because honestly you never know. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
485
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:25:00 -
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Well said Benilopax. Well said. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:36:00 -
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Ahhh decent posting at last , explanatory and inspirational at the same time, nicely done War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1171
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:40:00 -
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TL;DR: Stop sucking!!! |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:44:00 -
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Good post. +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:46:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:TL;DR: Stop sucking!!! Somewhere I like to think that somebody somewhere is getting a blow job while reading the forums out loud and now hate you. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1172
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:00:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:TL;DR: Stop sucking!!! Somewhere I like to think that somebody somewhere is getting a blow job while reading the forums out loud and now hate you.
Yeah well, they can get in line |
Snyperskov
United Society of Xziles
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:05:00 -
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Totally agree with you man, well said. |
Sraik Doubter
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:33:00 -
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I, personally find failing at EvE highly fulfilling.
That said, even though eve is difficult, it is the only game that I have ever seen that allows (or encourages) you to set your own benchmarks for success. There really isn't a set standard for "success" in Eve, so it pretty hard to be a complete failure.
Sort of what makes the game special; you can be a looser and, as long as you are good with that, you are fine. Set goals, whatever they are, and reach them. That is the only measure of success that I can think is relevant to the EvE experience.
Great observations by the OP, but I am not of the opinion that failure is certain or even highly likely. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate The Ashen Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:11:00 -
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Thanks very much everyone, would you believe I wrote that while soaking in a bath?
Seems a few people watching the trailer on IGN want to come try EVE out.
I think it's very important to stress how hard EVE is and to challenge new players to try and beat us. EVE Racing event thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:12:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.
I suppose that makes you an idiot. But why not listen to an idiot?
Quote: I am reminded of the fanfest presentation about wardec mechanics, the dev present said quite sincerely when explaining the changes that "EVE is hard".
Especially when you are a Null Bear that warps to station whenever a non-Blue appears in system.
So you are a GULLIBLE idiot.
I suppose I REALLY should listen to you now.
Please continue that "Good Friend To All Men" bs you have going there. The young'ns eat that BS up. |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:14:00 -
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Difficulty in EVE has a direct inverse relationship with how attached you are to your stuff.
See: tech alliances with awesome ship reimbursements, makes eve easy. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate The Ashen Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:19:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Benilopax wrote:I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.
I suppose that makes you an idiot. But why not listen to an idiot? Quote: I am reminded of the fanfest presentation about wardec mechanics, the dev present said quite sincerely when explaining the changes that "EVE is hard".
Especially when you are a Null Bear that warps to station whenever a non-Blue appears in system. Watching Local IS HARD. Watching Local is REALLY HARD. So you are a GULLIBLE idiot. I suppose I REALLY should listen to you now. Please continue that "Good Friend To All Men" bs you have going there. The young'ns eat that BS up. Quote: When I was much younger a CEO of a high sec corp, we were deced by a 3 man group of pirates who thought we were a push over, before I would have said dock up guys, log off, don't give them the satisfaction. However this time I thought screw it we outnumber them we have heavy hitters in corp and nooblets to tackle, I adopted the goon doctrine for a change.
And suprisingly turns out to be a "Goon friend".
I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.
Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics. EVE Racing event thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread
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Rond Dorlezahn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:22:00 -
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Made it almost a page without some NPC Corp alt poser.
Kudos to OP for a good post. Something like this should be the first thing Aura says to you ingame. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:27:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.
Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics. I don't think he's a troll, I saw him start posting on these forums a while back and he seemed like a hopeful and optimistic little care bear.
I think some time in between now and then we crushed his soul, and now all that remains is hatred, bitterness and an all consuming fear of goonswarm.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate The Ashen Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:27:00 -
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Rond Dorlezahn wrote:Made it almost a page without some NPC Corp alt poser. Kudos to OP for a good post. Something like this should be the first thing Aura says to you ingame.
Naturally, looking at his posting history he's quite anti goon and anti anyone who says a good word about the goons.
EVE Racing event thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate The Ashen Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:29:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Benilopax wrote:I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.
Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics. I don't think he's a troll, I saw him start posting on these forums a while back and he seemed like a hopeful and optimistic little care bear. I think some time in between now and then we crushed his soul, and now all that remains is hatred, bitterness and an all consuming fear of goonswarm.
I quite agree, and I retract my troll comment from earlier.
He's definitely bitter tho, and needs to adopt the EVE is hard concept. EVE Racing event thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread
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Michus Danether
Aristotle Enterprises
16
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:55:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
I suppose that makes you an idiot. But why not listen to an idiot?
Especially when you are a Null Bear that warps to station whenever a non-Blue appears in system.
Watching Local IS HARD.
Watching Local is REALLY HARD.
So you are a GULLIBLE idiot.
I suppose I REALLY should listen to you now.
Please continue that "Good Friend To All Men" bs you have going there. The young'ns eat that BS up.
And suprisingly turns out to be a "Goon friend".
What happened to you that made you like this? |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
133
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:17:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:EVE is hard. But not because of the game mechanics, or the design or anything the devs planned when creating this game. EVE is hard because the players make it hard, they always have and they always will.
So tell me, what range should i orbit at in a rifter using barrage ammo, should i have tracking mods or damage mods, active or buffer tank ?
In other words, i think the mechanics of the game do have a lot to do with making it hard.
Good post though. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:20:00 -
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Benilopax wrote: I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.
Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics.
So now you have accused me of being "bitter". God, you people really do talk like women.
A new group won't have Tech Moons and 100 man Jump Drive blobs that will curb stomp them anywhere in Low Sec, so your "Good Man" bs is just setting people up to be targets for your buddies.
AS YOU WELL KNOW.
Unless, of course, maybe they should join a Null Sec corp, you know, what you and yours want/demand others do. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:23:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Benilopax wrote:I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.
Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics. I don't think he's a troll, I saw him start posting on these forums a while back and he seemed like a hopeful and optimistic little care bear. I think some time in between now and then we crushed his soul, and now all that remains is hatred, bitterness and an all consuming fear of goonswarm. I quite agree, and I retract my troll comment from earlier. He's definitely bitter tho, and needs to adopt the EVE is hard concept.
Unless you are a little baby Null Bear.
But continue talking about how docking whenever a scary red appears in system is HARD.
Continue talking about your 100 man jump drive blob bailing you out of being a total idiot who would insta-die in any other game is HARD.
Continue claiming getting all the tech moons for some reason is HARD. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:26:00 -
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Iamien wrote:Difficulty in EVE has a direct inverse relationship with how attached you are to your stuff.
See: tech alliances with awesome ship reimbursements, makes eve easy.
And here we see what skippees little post is about.
You should join the Goons, or Test, or some other Null group. In fact, mechanics will be changed till you quit or do so. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:29:00 -
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I just can't seem to report your posts fast enough, Jessie.
OP, that was a good post. WE congratulate you for playing and enjoying the game the way it was meant. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Rond Dorlezahn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:30:00 -
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Are you having fun yet, Mr. Alt?
Shitposting is HARD. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:38:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Benilopax wrote:EVE is hard. But not because of the game mechanics, or the design or anything the devs planned when creating this game. EVE is hard because the players make it hard, they always have and they always will.
So tell me, what range should i orbit at in a rifter using barrage ammo, should i have tracking mods or damage mods, active or buffer tank ? In other words, i think the mechanics of the game do have a lot to do with making it hard. Good post though. you should orbit outside of neut, scram and smartbomb range - what ammo you use makes absolutely no difference at all (how about only one gun and some salvagers instead of the others?), you should neither use tracking nor damage mods but two nanofibers and one damage control/one overdrive, you should always use buffer tank.
unless you live in some mythical land of frigate 1v1s the answer is pretty clear cut. |
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