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hired goon
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:46:00 -
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I think an Eveboot would be good for a few reasons. Firstly, CCP would be able to apply all the lessons it's learned from Eve 1 that it cannot apply to the current game for reasons of unpopularity, like removing alts or re-introducing warp to 15km in a different form. Also it will allow CCP to introduce game mechanics it cannot apply to the current game for technological reasons, like a complete change of the physics system, turrets that have 'firing arcs', or drone/missile bays that visibly open before releasing the ordinance/fighters that visibly 'land' on a motherships runway or really dogfight with each other. -omg-
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.07.11 15:03:00 -
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it would make no sense to do that. What I COULD see happening is a complete, gradual progression of updates where CCP slowly but surely rewrites the game code completely. Allowing cooler effects, things like line of sight, and more in game content. Basically, CCP is going to keep building on the code they have as long as they can, but at some point their engine is going to get too dated to use and their going to have a build a new one from the ground up. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Rhohan
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2009.07.11 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana it would make no sense to do that. What I COULD see happening is a complete, gradual progression of updates where CCP slowly but surely rewrites the game code completely. Allowing cooler effects, things like line of sight, and more in game content. Basically, CCP is going to keep building on the code they have as long as they can, but at some point their engine is going to get too dated to use and their going to have a build a new one from the ground up.
That is what they have planned to do, and have already done some as well.
What the OP suggests only makes sense to those who are new to the game. They haven't been playing long enough to know that the longer you play, the lower percentage of skill points you are actually using at any given moment.
Also, some of the chars that have been playing since the begining are probably starting to run into the issue that their POD is becoming too expensive for anything less than a HAC or similar. They need alts to regulary fly T2 Frigates or lower, or they are fairly well off, and don't care about the cost.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.07.11 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rhohan I consider us to be on Eve ver. 6.
We're closer to EVE #20 to be honest. By launch, EVE had been through at least 5 total and 6 partial recodes. Since then it's been through a lot of core development and content/mechanic expansions. If anything, #20 is probably an understatement.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.11 16:03:00 -
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There will be no EvE 2.
IF anything, ccp might make a single player eve first you know for laughs or to give us a really cool story of one pilot to follow.
If you look at anything that made a 2 for mmo's they usually died cause no one wanted to start over. What is up Evercrack 2? --------------------------
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.11 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 11/07/2009 16:10:28 Edited by: Zartanic on 11/07/2009 16:09:54 I also see posts from people who seem to believe you have a massive disadvantage over older players when your new, on other forums and here. It just shows how the training system is so misunderstood, even by regular players.
It does not help players post that drivel on these forums despite the fact most games take several months to reach a level where they can do anything, In EVE its a lot shorter. Arguably no time at all.
This game is considerably more accessible for a new player than any game I know. No game worth anything allows you to do everything immediately at maximum efficiency unless its for 6 yo kids. No other game I know allows you to play effectively with the older players from day one.
As to the game engine it does seem horribly dated. The clunky UI and inability to customise it really shows, as well as the 1980 style key bindings and windows 3.1 interface style. You can't even switch on AA. So no matter how good the code is I think players do get the impression the game engine is very old.
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Overbrain
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Posted - 2009.07.11 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Overbrain on 11/07/2009 16:50:26
This exactly how people think when playing a sharded game . Once you notice that things arent progressing well on your front you just hop into a newly created shard and try again.
Whoever gets lucky and rushes to the goods first , gets upperhand and crushes everybody else until people move to the next shard at first possibility.
After a while, you get 49 shards each having their own king own best . And losers ? They will be playing in the newest shard :D
This is why i play eve , if wow was one server only i would play it instead. But the one world one king throne is the only thing that drives me to play .
In eve, there is only one road upwards . And really this is best because , in multiple sharded games , no matter how hard you try, you could never achieve anything as there will be many shards.
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Blastrodamus
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Posted - 2009.07.11 18:12:00 -
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if a new server was introduced, or the current server "rebooted", all that would happen is the alliances that currently have the level of organization and playerbase to claim sov will set up massive ops to claim sov in the new server.
if your corp/alliance can't claim sov now, and you think introducing a new server will allow you to that, you are fooled.
(i say this because most of the people i talk to who want a new server give their reason as "if there was a new server my little 3 man corp could go claim some 0.0 systems")
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Blood Keeper
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Posted - 2009.07.11 20:35:00 -
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oh yeah? well i think they should add an option of FPS view if you wanna fly that way. with a HUD or something. like the ****pit view in a flight sim (F-22 raptor for example). hehe i said ****. granted, it wouldn't always work, though i think it would be really run to be able to do it in a frig and be able to throttle up and down and control your movements without having to double click all over the place and not having to use the right click menu or the object selection box. though, you still could if you wanted.
but i guess it wouldnt really work with the whole pod pilot idea they use in the game, with the pilot stuck in a pod with no windows or anything, jeesh. but still, fps would be cool.
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Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.11 20:55:00 -
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I listened to a podcast last year (forget which one) that had an interview with someone from CCP. An EVE 2 was actually mentioned at that time but I'm not sure if it will ever come to fruition. As much as I and many other noobs not present from Day One would like n EVE 2. With DX 10, Anti-aliasing, terrestrial battles/exploration, ambulation and sound! ;) Is this a run on sentence or my signature? You decide. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.11 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tag Heuer I listened to a podcast last year (forget which one) that had an interview with someone from CCP. An EVE 2 was actually mentioned at that time but I'm not sure if it will ever come to fruition. As much as I and many other noobs not present from Day One would like n EVE 2. With DX 10, Anti-aliasing, terrestrial battles/exploration, ambulation and sound! ;)
We're already on about EvE 5 or 6 FYI.
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Per Bastet
Amarr B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2009.07.11 23:19:00 -
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What about the Eve FPS that has been Hinted at? --
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors
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Posted - 2009.07.11 23:29:00 -
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EVE 2, also known as an expansion
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Syberbolt8
Gallente Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.11 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau
Originally by: khangis khane limitations with the current game... new avenues for CCP, more structure to the universe, limitless possabilities, and yes starting fresh w/ everyone would be nice.
lol.
Sod off.
Limitless possibilities? And how does Eve compare with that phrase? How would Eve 2 differ?
The limitations on the current game are with yourselves. Not the game. And they wont be new avenues. They'll be the same ones, with less of a player base, because those who have been playing eve without whining have SP now.
Get real
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Munkerz
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Posted - 2009.07.11 23:43:00 -
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Why make an EVE 2 when the game is already so open. Just about any change could be patched in, or made into a new client still using the current EVE universe.
If this is one of those "left behind" things, don't make the common assumption that just because someone started the game before means they'll dominate you. And if you wan't to start from scratch with friends, just do it.
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Psychic Trev
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Posted - 2009.07.12 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Psychic Trev on 12/07/2009 01:52:23 Eve 2? I thought we are still in Open Beta.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Rawr Cristina I think for CCP to do that would be financial suicide
Not saying i agree with EVE 2, but its the opposite. You have no idea how many people want to paly eve, but are put off by the huge years of experience and skill points others have. I wouldnt mind a second server tbh, it will fall in line with other mmos, After 5 years of EVE maybe its time. than 5 years from now, it ll be time for another one again. so on and so on and so on.
You don't understand Eve it seems. There are many skill-trees but they are not deep. After a year of game time a player can be as good as a someone with 100 million sp in a frigate, destroyer, cruiser or battlecruiser if he specialise on a certain ship and weapon type. I had my cruise raven skills maxed out after like 2 years (learning skills and support skills included) without even concentrating much on it. There is no person in Eve that had better skills for it than me after 2 years, i was as good with it as a 15 year old vet, if Eve were around for that long. The vets have the advantage of variety, but that doesn't make them uber on the battlefield. It won't help them much that they can fly a raven, apocalypse, typhoon or chimera at maximum efficiency if they brought a mega to the field.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:12:00 -
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I'm not going to get on the flame train. In reality, sooner or later subs will start to drop. It looks, given EVE's history, that this will be probably much later.
But when this happens, CCP, being an MMO company, will seriously entertain the idea of an EVE sequel. And they may actually make one--this is entirely within the realm of the possible.
And if that day does come, I'll probably pre-order it, try to get in on the beta, and play the game.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Syberbolt8
Originally by: Waxau
Originally by: khangis khane limitations with the current game... new avenues for CCP, more structure to the universe, limitless possabilities, and yes starting fresh w/ everyone would be nice.
lol.
Sod off.
Limitless possibilities? And how does Eve compare with that phrase? How would Eve 2 differ?
The limitations on the current game are with yourselves. Not the game. And they wont be new avenues. They'll be the same ones, with less of a player base, because those who have been playing eve without whining have SP now.
Get real
QTF
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Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Syberbolt8
Originally by: Waxau
Originally by: khangis khane limitations with the current game... new avenues for CCP, more structure to the universe, limitless possabilities, and yes starting fresh w/ everyone would be nice.
lol.
Sod off.
Limitless possibilities? And how does Eve compare with that phrase? How would Eve 2 differ?
The limitations on the current game are with yourselves. Not the game. And they wont be new avenues. They'll be the same ones, with less of a player base, because those who have been playing eve without whining have SP now.
Get real
QTF
Quote the ****?
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Timdog93
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Posted - 2009.07.12 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Timdog93 on 12/07/2009 03:12:29 Do NOT reboot this game. That would be such a terrible move. EVE is just like real life, is real life a "level playing field?" No, but does that deter people from achieving great success? Nope. It just requires hard work and being smart. I know people may hate the goons (I like em personally), but one of their most famous quotes from a 2 day old pilot is, "Two points on the Moros." That's a dreadnaught. Tackled by a 2 day old player.
If you're smart and work hard, you can rise to success in this game.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.07.12 03:26:00 -
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I predict the OP will never make a post again. _____________________________
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne I'm not going to get on the flame train. In reality, sooner or later subs will start to drop. It looks, given EVE's history, that this will be probably much later.
But when this happens, CCP, being an MMO company, will seriously entertain the idea of an EVE sequel. And they may actually make one--this is entirely within the realm of the possible.
And if that day does come, I'll probably pre-order it, try to get in on the beta, and play the game.
-Karlemgne
I could see the eventual launch of Eve 2 years in the future, after this version has grown old and dying, which is set thousands of years in the future after the Eve Gate has been reopened and we come into conflict with Earth, or whatever's left of it.
That could be interesting. It could also make a great single-player game.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.07.12 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon I think an Eveboot would be good for a few reasons. Firstly, CCP would be able to apply all the lessons it's learned from Eve 1 that it cannot apply to the current game for reasons of unpopularity, like removing alts or re-introducing warp to 15km in a different form. Also it will allow CCP to introduce game mechanics it cannot apply to the current game for technological reasons, like a complete change of the physics system, turrets that have 'firing arcs', or drone/missile bays that visibly open before releasing the ordinance/fighters that visibly 'land' on a motherships runway or really dogfight with each other.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 13:49:00 -
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meh, you can only reach level 5 in any skill and its not as if a new player is barred from some aspect of team play, unlike wow where you have to be level 160 to enter this door.
EVE just doesn't need any reset, tweaks yah and CCP delivers them .. although not always exactly as the players want, but its their game, we are just 'renting' space on their databases.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i was thinking earlier about corpses...
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ObiTwo Kinobi
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Posted - 2009.07.12 14:10:00 -
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Im sure at some point CCP will make a new space sim. Even if it isn't called EVE 2. They are already helping another company with some wolf game or something.
One day everyone is going to have to come to the realization that TQ will die. Either ghost town or shut down. A new type of "EVE" game would give CCP another means of income.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Abrazzar We're already at build 93706. I'd translate that as EVE 9.3706. EVE 2 is so 2004.
Then you are wrong.
The full verion number reported by Vista is 6.10.1.22539.
It hardly makes a difference. We're long, long past "EvE 2" is what matters.
OP just wants free space without having to fight for it, and is deluded that once he has it, he will keep it.
If new space is what he wants then he'd be better off with asking for more space on the curent map.
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Mors Magne
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.12 14:24:00 -
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I play EVE because it will be continually updated.
I've got 6 years worth of growth/assets playing EVE - I don't want to say goodbye to this.
If EVE was ditched and replaced by anything I would stop paying my accounts, and feel totally gutted.
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Zheren Huli
Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.07.12 14:55:00 -
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well to be fair to the op. there are certain things that could be changed and acctualy make sense. *i talk about a second server not a reboot ;)*
lets start with the scriptlanguage. ccp gave in themselves that its very very old and for certain things *like ther billboards a while ago* they lost the programer and somewhat track of "how its coded?".
so eve 2 would allow a completly new "easier to recode" language for ccp.
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people complaining that other people just want free space.
look at history of how much "upcomming" alliances there were in eve by themself rather than "pets". eve as its current is pushing against a cluster of enemys with highend moonincome resources while you have to take from the regular resources the single member of alliances do aswell anyway. titans and sovereignity dont make it much easier at this momment but let it be by that.
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redistributing resources.
personaly i was one of the persons that hopened there would be moon minerals in wormholes. not because i wanted my "save from capfleet isk printing machine" but because i hoped the moon mineral prices would ballance out and alliances couldnt just roll 2 big capfleets in, in a month of just mainting some valuable poses.
basicly an overwork of the whole moonmap making less decent ratting space/low end belts valueable with moon minerals and decent ratting space/valueable belts less valueable with moon minerals. of course some oddballs need to be there for competition.
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no more complaining about t2 bpos
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maybe shifting the systemroutes so that the market hub becomes a random 1.0 system right in the mid of eve with 1 gate to each factionspace allowing all fw to have access to a decent markethub. *this could also make up for some decent pvp*
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reworking the war decleration mechanics
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against that speaks:
the inventiontime compared to the time people need to fly certain ships.
a char with the fate to invent "simple" t2 equipment needs 3month to be created for ships it takes even longer *not including ALL learning skills*
basicly the market would look for most of the players like current t3 market again having a downside for the most "now and than" player.
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a rush of players to 0.0 npc space.
on one hand it creates competition on the other hand if you know who binds together its bad. *considering the people who are currently at grudge against each other dont overcome their pride and do the same*
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race for arms. who gets a decent sized capfleet faster even skillwise. hense a lot of capital training alts.
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history of eve would be lost / rewritten in some way
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t3 would even be further off than it allready is
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factional warfare becomes more unattracting *as its for a lot people who dont want pos warfare, which well considering not much poses arround and the high number of lower ships makes less people sign up*
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and prolly more but i wont say i am not biased ;)
stil this is just another dead horse but since my eve currently dont acts decently i thought i would beat it a bit too
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Stella SGP
Oresome Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon I think an Eveboot would be good for a few reasons. Firstly, CCP would be able to apply all the lessons it's learned from Eve 1 that it cannot apply to the current game for reasons of unpopularity, like removing alts or re-introducing warp to 15km in a different form. Also it will allow CCP to introduce game mechanics it cannot apply to the current game for technological reasons, like a complete change of the physics system, turrets that have 'firing arcs', or drone/missile bays that visibly open before releasing the ordinance/fighters that visibly 'land' on a motherships runway or really dogfight with each other.
Wow really? These changes cannot be patched in and can ONLY be implemented on a new server? Because of technical reasons?
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