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DeadDuck
Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine It is more amusing that you think we HAD to do anything. You didn't come to attack us, you attacked The Initiative. We had a couple pilots involved in the fight because they were there but as far as I can tell, u'k's actual involvement was minimal. Suprisingly enough we had better things to do than attempt to be prescient to predict that CVA will attack an unaligned entity because they might possibly have standings to u'k but you can't really be sure.
CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch.
Unaligned entity ? So you give away this kind of assets to not alligned entity's ??? Is this a new UK policy ?? Or you just received orders from higher levels to do it? If that's the case I can undertsnd why you had better things to do, after all it wasn't your decision... embarassing isn't it ?
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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Sapphrine It is more amusing that you think we HAD to do anything. You didn't come to attack us, you attacked The Initiative. We had a couple pilots involved in the fight because they were there but as far as I can tell, u'k's actual involvement was minimal. Suprisingly enough we had better things to do than attempt to be prescient to predict that CVA will attack an unaligned entity because they might possibly have standings to u'k but you can't really be sure.
CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch.
Unaligned entity ? So you give away this kind of assets to not alligned entity's ??? Is this a new UK policy ?? Or you just received orders from higher levels to do it? If that's the case I can undertsnd why you had better things to do, after all it wasn't your decision... embarassing isn't it ?
I assume you are not aware that Immensea was conquered from UNL by ATLAS awhile back who then installed Aggression as inhabitants? We stepped in to secure the area as Aggression were falling apart and handed over to The Initiative as they arrived on ATLAS's invitation. As it turned out that only took a few days.
It is remarkable how complicated some people can make a simple transition. As I said earlier, we stepped in to secure the area and restore order, checked out the facilities for any suspect behaviour and left in good time. We could have simply watched the Angel Cartel step in to cause trouble as they are currently doing elsewhere but instead we used our resources to provide a steadying hand. We have found the expedition to be a worthwhile one.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch.
Actually I'm finding the lack of insight displayed by CVA quite entertaining. ---
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Will1892
Caldari Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.12 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ugleb
I assume you are not aware that Immensea was conquered from UNL by ATLAS awhile back who then installed Aggression as inhabitants? We stepped in to secure the area as Aggression were falling apart and handed over to The Initiative as they arrived on ATLAS's invitation. As it turned out that only took a few days.
It is remarkable how complicated some people can make a simple transition. As I said earlier, we stepped in to secure the area and restore order, checked out the facilities for any suspect behaviour and left in good time. We could have simply watched the Angel Cartel step in to cause trouble as they are currently doing elsewhere but instead we used our resources to provide a steadying hand. We have found the expedition to be a worthwhile one.
The innocent people of the immensea region have been forced to endure one tyrant after another, would the angel cartel really be any different? I'm certain that the Initiative wasn't democratically elected to serve the best interests of the people, instead they seek to exploit them.
No doubt your "steadying hand" was responsible for the butchering of thousands of innocent civillians who practice the amarr faith throughout the immensea region before handing them off onto the next wave of terrorists and pirates.
Providence does not work in this way, we merely guide the local populous to have a better understanding of god and assist them on the path of enlightenment. Perhaps one day you will join your ammatar brothers and kneel before the righteous fury of our god.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.12 22:11:00 -
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Although it was not an entireless selfless move on the part of U'K, many of our pilots benefited financially from the firesales in the stations. Babysitting the region for a short time certainly came with agreeable fringe benefits.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 23:27:00 -
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Amusing none the less:
We shot the Outpost because we COULD.
I'm sure there is no love lost between CVA, -A-, Atlas, or thier servants of twilight.
Even more amusing is that someone "not" of UK wants to speak "for" UK. I guess butters and other "reliable" UK mouthpeices are off on a retreat to better themselves.
In fact many cva were quite happy to see you gain space, but I guess those "Higher-Ups" you cow too didn't seem to think you could handle it.
Tragically its just more UK lost outposts at the end of the day. Just a shame it wasn't to CVA this time.
Amarr Victor none the less. I guess God in his infiite wisdom has shown that even He knew it was an abomination.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 12/07/2009 23:49:08
Originally by: Poreuomai
Actually I'm finding the lack of insight displayed by CVA quite entertaining.
Makes a change - usually I think the same thing about UK. Your ability to win friends and influence people is legendary...
The CVA is an Amarrian alliance which has welded together pod pilots, corporations and alliances of all races in common cause for the benefit of the Empire. As far as I can tell Ushra'Khan can't even get along with their fellow Minmatar terrorists.
However maybe you are right - maybe my insight is lacking. After all I still have no idea about the strategic and diplomatic thinking which led Ushra'Khan to recruit ButterDog and his misbegotten corporation. The diplomatic reasoning behind that decision is so far beyond me that I have begun to doubt my own cognitive capabilities.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.13 03:01:00 -
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.07.13 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 13/07/2009 09:27:16 That will nobody believe that the transfer of stations was selfless act not including any money or future favours.
Then the Initiative should be happy about it couse they didnt loose a single cent which they arent that means they lost more that they wanted and the op post is prime example of emo posting.
I would be also interested to know when will Ushra give their next free give away stations couse it would be historicaly first time when some alliance give gifts in form of stations completly free without any future favours. |
Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.13 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
However maybe you are right - maybe my insight is lacking. After all I still have no idea about the strategic and diplomatic thinking which led Ushra'Khan to recruit ButterDog and his misbegotten corporation. The diplomatic reasoning behind that decision is so far beyond me that I have begun to doubt my own cognitive capabilities.
Of course, U'K should base their recruitment policy on who you like and approve of. That makes a lot of sense.
I know that U'K recruiting capabable organisations with logistical and capital muscle must pain you, Hardin, but really. Lay off the vitoc - your comedowns are making you a little bitter around the edges
As for the rest of the CVA comments about U'K and space holding. You clearly have no idea what agreements have been reached, and between whom, so do carry on grasping at straws. It is an amusing spectable, to be sure.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch.
Well, i find it Amusing to a certain extend. At least until the mantra starts to repeat within here, which quickly becomes boring.
Nobody is perfect, and everyone claiming "i am perfect" loses credibility fast.
CVA>We dont screw up
..yeah right Hardin keep it coming
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Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 10:58:00 -
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Perfection or not is not the issue here.
The targetting computer showed The Initiative red on overview and as such their ships and assets are targets regardless of surrounding circumstances.
A peek into the KOS records shows them as criminals (as pointed out before), so its not a matter of faulty calibration of the onboard computers.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/07/2009 14:32:28
Originally by: Niding
their ships and assets were and still are target
true or not - i do think it is evident due to comments made to ISD that your fleet were assembled to our honor.
despite that downlow in this news broadcast
it becomes clear that on 9th already (4 days back from now and before your attack) we already made clear that our task in immensea was merely for training purpouses.
Save to assume you have just missed the news line and then quickly changed your task, as you had to entertain your pilots after arriving somewhat... 'late' :-) for what initially was to begin as:
Quote: a punitive raid to punish the terrorists and demonstrate that we will not let anarchist rabble raid Holy Amarrian space without retaliation.
Save also to assume you will not repeat this attack(can i call it mistake in this context?) onto the initiative assets anytime soon - them beeing red or no. Because you and me know you could not deal with the echo.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
Save also to assume you will not repeat this attack(can i call it mistake in this context?) onto the initiative assets anytime soon - them beeing red or no. Because you and me know you could not deal with the echo.
It is never safe to assume anything Zoolkhan
If Ushra'Khan continue to base from Immensea then I have no doubt you will continue to see CVA visit the area in the same way that we regularly visit F4R and other terrorist hangouts in -A- space.
As I said before there can be no safe hiding place for terrorists. We are unconcerned about any 'echo' in the same way that we are unconcerned about the constant 'storm' which threatens to blow us away all the time.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 15:16:00 -
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So an announcement mistakenly accusing CVA of an "unprovoked" attack (no attack against any CVA red can be considered "unprovoked" as we must, by the very nature of our rules of engagement, be "provoked" into setting an organization red) becomes a discussion of a CVA mistake.
I suppose we could just leave it at "CVA attacked one red, hoping it was another, and the 'other' ran to the public spouting falsehoods."
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 17:11:00 -
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You'd gain more respect if you just admitted to making a mistake , it is widely known within Providence (yes I have friends inside the provi block) it was a genuine mistake thinking it was in fact a U'K op . Heads are shaking at your continuous denial as we speak Hardin , if I was you I,d just hush now , before you give me and my friends more ammunition . We do seem to be recruiting , and recieving more volunteers on a daily basis from Providence to help us in our efforts . Wonder why that is
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 17:18:00 -
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Can't say I agree with any of the assessments made in this post
Op was called to attack U'K. The stuff about The Initiative. was incidental.
Wider issue is that U'K has neither the trust from, nor the rent money to pay, its masters' to control of any part of immensea over an alliance who hitherto have seemingly no connection nor record of loyal service to -A-
Either that or U'K are lacking in the ambition and/or balls to go it alone.
(And no offense to Atlas, but -A- put them where they are and -A- remain the real power in the region)
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin You'd gain more respect if you just admitted to making a mistake , it is widely known within Providence (yes I have friends inside the provi block) it was a genuine mistake thinking it was in fact a U'K op . Heads are shaking at your continuous denial as we speak Hardin , if I was you I,d just hush now , before you give me and my friends more ammunition . We do seem to be recruiting , and recieving more volunteers on a daily basis from Providence to help us in our efforts . Wonder why that is
And if you must know, we knew about the status of the OP before the fleet was assembled. FC decided to play it by ear and decision was made to attack the OP anyway since U'K were heavily active in the system and clearly still using it as a base
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin You'd gain more respect if you just admitted to making a mistake , it is widely known within Providence (yes I have friends inside the provi block) it was a genuine mistake thinking it was in fact a U'K op . Heads are shaking at your continuous denial as we speak Hardin , if I was you I,d just hush now , before you give me and my friends more ammunition .
Friends? Spies more like Conlin.
If you truly had friends in Providence then you would have known that while the op was organised when it was a UK Outpost, we were well aware that it had changed hands before the fleet left Providence and this was made very clear on our internal communication channels.
The fact is Conlin I am very sick with your continual 'I know all about you' bull****. We all know that you have spies in Citadel channel in direct contravention of various 'non-spying' agreements. You have made that very clear with several very obvious public gaffes which hurried editing could not cover up.
The only reason we haven't made a fuss about is that it is now very clear that other senior UK members are playing the same game and that we can not expect any better. So stop with the lies. If you have intel then its coming not from friends but from paid informants.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 18:11:00 -
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I,m sorry I hit a nerve there Hardin Spies ? , sorry , but you are so far from the truth , if it hit you square in the face you'd still not recognise it for what it is . The friends I speak of are those that have reached mutual blue standings after cutting the apron strings from there masters in Providence . No apologies are recquired Hardin , not the first time you got it wrong , no less than I expected . And if you knew so much about the outpost not being ours , why were so many Provi Block issued bragging rights on the fact you hit it ?.
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Hardin
Amarr Triumvirate Maximus
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Posted - 2009.07.13 18:15:00 -
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Your post and your logic makes no sense terrorist... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services
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Kintaki Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 18:17:00 -
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take it to a private chat room pls.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 18:33:00 -
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So Conlin's informants, people who may have every reason to slander the CVA anyway, are giving Conlin information that serves precisely that purpose.
That's good stuff. Entirely convincing, if I may say so.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 18:50:00 -
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Isn't that always a problem with informants? ---
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck may
I did say squarely in the face Hardin
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Tizian Enel
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.13 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Equinox Daedalus We shot the Outpost because we COULD. ... Amarr Victor none the less. I guess God in his infiite wisdom has shown that even He knew it was an abomination.
First shoot, then ask god if it was the right thing to do?
Or.. this time even god, not just CVA, agreed with what you did?
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Commanders Heaven
Gallente Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Your post and your logic makes no sense terrorist...
The describtion of a terrorist does actually lead more towards your wievs.
You use your so called religion / empire wievs to look at any agression upon friends or foes and kill innicent capsulers and civilians to justify your blood lust?
I thought CVA had better controll and more dicepline than this over theyr leaders / diplomats.
I have to say i am very displeased upon these statement by Cva.
Cva has clearly stated that everyone is a target except those who has theyr own wievs.
Clearly this can not be CVA and the providence region alliances agreement.
Has Hardin been drinking again? :)
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:43:00 -
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You must be new here, Commanders. We are the CVA, a loyalist alliance whose singular motivation for existence and military action is the service of God and Empire. While some may view (or try to sell) that as "using our religion/empire to justify our bloodlust," it's certainly not new or a mindblowing revelation as regards CVA and our motivations.
As for innocent capsuleers and civlians...you must've skipped the part where the outpost in question, whether in Ushra'Khan hands or not, was in possession of a known and recorded CVA enemy. There were no innocents involved.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Can't say I agree with any of the assessments made in this post
Op was called to attack U'K. The stuff about The Initiative. was incidental.
Wider issue is that U'K has neither the trust from, nor the rent money to pay, its masters' to control of any part of immensea over an alliance who hitherto have seemingly no connection nor record of loyal service to -A-
Either that or U'K are lacking in the ambition and/or balls to go it alone.
(And no offense to Atlas, but -A- put them where they are and -A- remain the real power in the region)
This is Galnet comedy gold. I appreciate that being stuck in your decadent slaver empire leaves you detached from events outside Providence. But really, your analysis is so inaccurate as to be comedic in nature
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and your wild assumptions show how shockingly lacking your strategic knowledge of the wider area is. AAA were not involved in any deal over Immensea, directly or indirectly.
As to who trusts whom to do what, well, you'll just have to keep your eyes on the soveriegnty map in the near future and find out, won't you, my dear slaver
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Academy CEO on 13/07/2009 22:53:12
Originally by: Hardin We all know that you have spies in Citadel channel in direct contravention of various 'non-spying' agreements.
The spy agreements do not extend to the Providence alliances, who in have placed spies within U'K (our counter espionage confirms this to be the case). However, U'K have no spies within the CVA itself. U'K has broken no deal.
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