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Commanders Heaven
Gallente Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck You must be new here, Commanders. We are the CVA, a loyalist alliance whose singular motivation for existence and military action is the service of God and Empire. While some may view (or try to sell) that as "using our religion/empire to justify our bloodlust," it's certainly not new or a mindblowing revelation as regards CVA and our motivations.
As for innocent capsuleers and civlians...you must've skipped the part where the outpost in question, whether in Ushra'Khan hands or not, was in possession of a known and recorded CVA enemy. There were no innocents involved.
Even though you are the CVA these recent action and agression by your alliance / empire can not bee seen as good and justified by your god and empire?
You Providence reputation percists you and you are the most succesfull NRDS alliance 0.0 conquerable alliance out there.
Still this station was not inn your Providence region and have not been under your controll ( as far as i know ) Do you still just pick every target inn this new region and set them red, for your Nrds to still to be able to agress and conquer this new land? How can you justify these action upon pod pilots who havent agressed themself towards the providence residence or CVA alliance? Clearly this is not what every pod pilot inn providence regions wievs and wishes with the CVA / providence residence.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Commanders Heaven
How can you justify these action upon pod pilots who havent agressed themself towards the providence residence or CVA alliance?
Quite simply because they have in fact "aggressed themselves" towards CVA and Providence.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.14 02:19:00 -
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Just as a matter of curiousity, why is it coming as such an utter shock to anyone that an alliance that has since it's inception openly supported the Empire and it's policy of Reclaimation -- which calls for the subjugation of all non-Amarrian people to the will of the Amarrian Empire -- has launched an assault against a vulnerable neighbor? It seems to me far more surprising that they have held themselves back for so long than that they have launched such an assault now.
For those whose entire knowledge of the Amarrian culture comes from propaganda statements, consider the commands given by their religeous texts:
'I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given.' - Book of Reclaiming 22:13, The Scriptures
Is anyone unsure as to the meaning of a commandment to conquer every star in the heavens?
-- Becq Starforged
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Academy CEO
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
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AAA were not involved in any deal over Immensea, directly or indirectly.
As to who trusts whom to do what, well, you'll just have to keep your eyes on the soveriegnty map in the near future and find out, won't you, my dear slaver
Well since INIT's sov hasn't kicked in yet, sov map today shows 6 systems under -A- sov and 6 under Atlas sov in Immensea. You going to tell me -A- made a separate deal with Atlas to rent those moons (systems)?
And you didn't answer the accusation that U'K lacks ambition.
Where are you going when the tactics of the last two years have failed?
Terrorism is a crime, but recruiting other criminal elements has swollen your ranks with members who couldn't give a toss about the Minmatar people beyond their supposed plight making a convenient platform for serving self interest
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.07.14 07:25:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong but arn't The Intiative red to CVA anyway (Definatly prior to the event in the OP) for killing in Providence?
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia Correct me if I'm wrong but arn't The Intiative red to CVA anyway (Definatly prior to the event in the OP) for killing in Providence?
Wow the 1st bit of common sense from a non-cvaer. Thank you suitonia : )
UK. It does seem to me that your just pointing this out to cover your own inablitlies as an alliance to hold space from 'we didn't want that space anyways' to 'we were just holding it for someone' or my favorite 'you have no idea on the deals we have made.'
Congraulations for 'not wanting that space anyways' I'm sure i'd deploy death stars and random towers and shoot outposts as well if I didn't want a place to call home. I guess even your "allies" know your not fit to be a space holder. With freinds like that huzzah, I see why your hatred for the Amarr can run so deep.
And as to the monkey who misqouted me......i did say that even God must think that UK outposts are a blight against all that is good, since you no longer have them. Not that have a direct line stating such.
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.14 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/07/2009 09:17:05
You STILL think we were trying to take SSI's space all those months ago???
I suspect that just about anyone who has ever known someone who had once thought about joining a corp which had members who in the deep distant past had comitted piracy is potentially on their red list. ---
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/07/2009 09:18:02
You STILL think we were trying to take SSI's space all those months ago???
Suitonia, I suspect that just about anyone who has ever known someone who had once thought about joining a corp which had members who in the deep distant past had comitted piracy is potentially on their red list.
I didn't mention the SSI outpost. Don't think you would want assets so close to the greater providence capital fleet. much like you did with sylph and others, you tried to wedge them between us and you, and they couldn't handle that. The same thing happened to Imperial Order. I know yoru going to say "if we wanted it we would of etc etc" or you'll say "we didn't want that space anyways"...i know. clearly I've heard the matra spouted enough. I'll just say "yes we know you didn't want that space anyways". just like everyone else before. Maybe if you fought "for" something rather than "against" the amarr you might become more succesful.
Tragically I feel kind of bad for you lot. Maybe god will let you see the light some day.
And as per the "kos" standings....they are changed when we are approached by the offending parties. If we can come to a resonable solution to avoid futher incidents then we do such. Its not generally our job to reach out to ppl who cause problems for us. We are public enough and i'd say more than half of eve knows about our policies.
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.14 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
1) Well since INIT's sov hasn't kicked in yet, sov map today shows 6 systems under -A- sov and 6 under Atlas sov in Immensea. You going to tell me -A- made a separate deal with Atlas to rent those moons (systems)?
2) And you didn't answer the accusation that U'K lacks ambition.
3) Where are you going when the tactics of the last two years have failed?
Foolish, ignorant slaver. I can see you are struggling to grasp the situation, and your assumptions are sending you into a spiral of confusion, so I have broken down your transmission into three main points.
1) When Aggro collapsed there was an opportunistic rush for cadmium, driven by individuals and corporations, but not sanctioned on an alliance level. There was no 'deal' between anyone other than an understanding that this would be a temporary state. It was simple opportunism, driven at an individual corp/pilots. The moons are profitable for individuals, but not big enough to involve a lot of top-level political discussion between two very rich and powerful alliances. If you had any grasp of reality, you could have worked this out yourself.
2) If your question is 'does U'K lack ambition', the answer is 'no'
3) Failed to do what, exactly? U'K moved to lowsec a few years ago, after 9UY, and then onto Curse. At that point the alliance had barely 300 pilot members, and very few friends. Move to the present day, and we see an alliance of nearly 800 pilots, taking part in joint operations with new friends and allies.
Every step forward since the dark days of losing 9UY has been a positive step in the growth and rehabilitation of U'K. A number of a very smart political moves, have left U'K in the position of being able to call upon the help of powerful allies when static assets are threatened, and to offer the same help in return. Your allies know that to their cost.
That U'K survived losing their space almost 3 years ago, and have gone on to rebuild their strength to a point where, right now, U'K are stronger than they have ever been, is a testament to the alliance. And your comments about 'failure', when set against these facts, lead me to believe you would to open your eyes and think before hitting the 'transmit' button on Galnet.
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Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 10:08:00 -
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Seems to wander off topic;
Quote: CVA assault new owners of Immensea, in unprovoked attack
is the headline if this communication.
Its been adressed several times by Equi, and once by me;
Quote: The targeting computer showed The Initiative red on overview and as such their ships and assets were and still are targets regardless of surrounding circumstances.
A peek into the KOS records shows them as criminals (as pointed out before), so its not a matter of faulty calibration of the onboard computers.
This answers the original post. Will be my last post on the topic as it doesnt seem to sink in. |
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.14 11:18:00 -
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It is not possible to launch an unprovoked attack against a long standing enemy? ---
Let My People Go |
Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 12:46:00 -
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2) and 3) weren't separate points. The implication was that your tactics aren't working and that your recruitment policies that have allowed you to rebuild numbers wise since 9UY have locked into the Anti-Providence course, one that will always leave you in the shadows of "those dark days"
Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Maybe if you fought "for" something rather than "against" the amarr you might become more succesful.
This is perhaps a better way of putting what I was getting at
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Ottom Ephesianos
Amarr Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2009.07.14 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Your post and your logic makes no sense terrorist...
...calling a freedom fighter a terrorist does not make sense either. --------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.14 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Maybe if you fought "for" something rather than "against" the amarr you might become more succesful.
This is perhaps a better way of putting what I was getting at
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Calypso's Wrath
Mad Bombers Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.14 18:04:00 -
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You would think that CVA would put forth that effort towards securing Providence than worrying about Immensea. Instead they waste resources on a new entity in the area. Good job CVA, way to be there for your pets.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.14 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb your recruitment policies that have allowed you to rebuild numbers wise since 9UY have locked into the Anti-Providence course, one that will always leave you in the shadows of "those dark days"
CVA would do well to consider it's own recruitment policies before making comments about others. I do not see a strong tradition of recruiting historically loyal Amarrian corporations, especially not in the latter years.
U'K recruit those who wish to fight for freedom. Not a single corporation in U'K does not have an extensive history fighting alongside them, or fighting against slavery. Take my associate corporation as an example - WEDIE have fought alongside U'K for over three years, including the defense of POS which first claimed sovereignty in 9UY before the outpost was laid.
Are you suggesting that the recruitment of an organisation with such a deep and loyal history with U'K, should not be within it's ranks? Like most Amarrians, your assumptions and accusations have little basis in logic or fact.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.07.16 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 16/07/2009 23:37:28 So I watched the the first statement in regards to what happened, didnt bother with the rest of the crap because frankly, Academy CEO, you exhibit the signs of a mental defect at his finest.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.17 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 16/07/2009 23:37:28 So I watched the the first statement in regards to what happened, didnt bother with the rest of the crap because frankly, Academy CEO, you exhibit the signs of a mental defect at his finest.
/agree
well not on the mental defect bit but about needing only to read the first post and know that it was a host of malarkey. almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach.
of course I am a masochist so I did read on and yeah...its obvious. Reap what you sow. When you act there are consequences. Deal with it. I suggest using gun turrets and missile ports, that is always a good way to settle arguments (though IĘd be careful doing so to the CVA).
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.17 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 16/07/2009 23:37:28 So I watched the the first statement in regards to what happened, didnt bother with the rest of the crap because frankly, Academy CEO, you exhibit the signs of a mental defect at his finest.
This eloquent and well argued transmission has convinced me of the error of my analysis.
Or not.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.17 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach.
I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard.
I'd have thought a pilot who's eye's had been opened enough to leave the amarrian nest egg of providence and join up with the good pilots of Star Fraction would have a more open view of CVA spin.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.17 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard.
Wowee. That's quite some statement to make in an announcement by an Ushra'Khan affiliate that CVA was conducting an "unprovoked" attack against an organization who is, in fact, guilty of raiding our region themselves.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.17 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach.
I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard.
I'd have thought a pilot who's eye's had been opened enough to leave the amarrian nest egg of providence and join up with the good pilots of Star Fraction would have a more open view of CVA spin.
In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table.
look up the Battle of Jark.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.17 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Wowee. That's quite some statement to make in an announcement by an Ushra'Khan affiliate that CVA was conducting an "unprovoked" attack against an organization who is, in fact, guilty of raiding our region themselves.
'Proportion' might have something to do with it. Alliances generally do not send 150 man fleets to shoot at static assets, because a few people blew up a neutral hauler at some point in time. Maybe. But you're not quite sure.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.17 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach.
I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard.
I'd have thought a pilot who's eye's had been opened enough to leave the amarrian nest egg of providence and join up with the good pilots of Star Fraction would have a more open view of CVA spin.
In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table.
look up the Battle of Jark.
While in general I'm extremely skeptical of CVA's big politicians who are (in my eyes) quite wilfully deceitful in their standings imposition and misreporting of "pirate corps" - I will agree with Tomahawk that some of the CVA pilots do behave with honour and keep their word. A good example of this is represented in Garreck above who has fought duel(s)? with my cousin Jasmine where both sides honoured the terms and respected the terms of the battlefield.
I consider pilots like Garreck to be misguided good men seduced by the big lie that is the Providence political consensus. Its the big-beasts of the Amarrian bloc that use deceit and falsehood to keep the rest in line. But thats how imperialist hierarchy works really - creating a structure that makes evil banal and institutionalised. Get everyone dancing to the same tune with smiling eyes and they'll never notice the band slipping in a few acts of wanton murder, regressive land-grab and dehumanizing mind control into the mix.
Still you don't fight a closed system that stifles dissent and honest opinion by stiffling dissent and honest opinion amongst your own comrades. Tomahawk is a free captain now and has a right to express his opinions beside his responsibility to defend them if challenged. Free exchange of views never chained any children to a wall. (which is more than can be said of the Amarrian regime in Providence).
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.17 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Academy CEO Alliances generally do not send 150 man fleets to shoot at static assets, because a few people blew up a neutral hauler at some point in time. Maybe. But you're not quite sure.
Alliances do not generally operate with an open border policy either. As soldiers of God, CVA are called to be unique and distinct in many ways; thank you for noticing.
I can say with great certainty that CVA records show The Initiative participating in the destruction of 11 CVA vessels predating the operation under discussion. Not "maybe blew up a neutral hauler at some point but we're not quite sure."
You're illustrating my point about spin accusations quite nicely, though.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table.
look up the Battle of Jark.
Business transactions and Galnet spin are two entirely different matters, and you appear to be blurring the two.
I do not doubt for one second that the leadership of CVA can be trusted on their word, when it comes to brokering deals and honouring business commitments. But, equally, I know that CVA leadership heavily spin Galnet transmissions, and so take them with a generous pinch of salt. As all wise pilots should.
Equally, the leadership of U'K can be trusted on their word when it comes to transactions and other agreements. These are quite seperate issues to the 'spin' accusation.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.17 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Academy CEO
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table.
look up the Battle of Jark.
Business transactions and Galnet spin are two entirely different matters, and you appear to be blurring the two.
I do not doubt for one second that the leadership of CVA can be trusted on their word, when it comes to brokering deals and honoring business commitments. But, equally, I know that CVA leadership heavily spin Galnet transmissions, and so take them with a generous pinch of salt. As all wise pilots should.
Equally, the leadership of U'K can be trusted on their word when it comes to transactions and other agreements. These are quite separate issues to the 'spin' accusation.
that is a very fair and balanced assessment, well said.
I will expand that CVA reliability does not only extend to business but in fact permeates many facets of their chosen course.
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