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miss eve2006
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:45:00 -
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Been looking through a few guides, but a lot of them seems outdated with the old fuel and what not.
I am looking into setting a POS up in high sec, its functions will be to produce Tech I and maybe Tech II items with 2 characters (same account). It will also need to do some BPO Research.
I am looking for the best setup, and the price of a full setup + the fuel price for a month. I am also wondering if there are any services that set it up for a fee. |
blood hauler
The Art of War
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:29:00 -
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Your best off not using assembly arrays in empire unless you badly need faster construction time. Due to they been so many npc factory if you pick the right system you never have to wait and it will be cheaper than the fuel costs which go in to a pos.
For research you can get away with a small tower runing 2 labs (1 adv for copying 2 normal for invent) that will need 1600 cpu but give you 5 copying slots and 10 invent so your be able to fit that on a gal small tower.
a small tower will eat 10 fuel blocks an hour at 18k a fuel block (so 180k isk an hour or 4.3mil a day)
Medium towers use 20 and large need 40 |
Jajas Helper
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:31:00 -
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miss eve2006 wrote:Been looking through a few guides, but a lot of them seems outdated with the old fuel and what not.
I am looking into setting a POS up in high sec, its functions will be to produce Tech I and maybe Tech II items with 2 characters (same account). It will also need to do some BPO Research.
I am looking for the best setup, and the price of a full setup + the fuel price for a month. I am also wondering if there are any services that set it up for a fee.
I think i might be able to help:
but some things to take into consideration:
- you need a 7.0 standing with the racial faction to put up a tower- in 0.7 ( you know the drill) 6.0 in 0.6 and 5 in 0.5 security (lowsec - no standing needed). This is the standing your corp needs! so check the corp standings first..
- There are services that help you help you setup that standing for a price ( remove everyone who has less then the needed standing from corp, join an alt with the needed standing, wait a week ( yes 7 days) for the standing to kick in. At this point you can anchor the tower! After this point, you never unanchor the tower, and your standing can drop to whatever it was without influence on that tower.
If for some reason you would unanchor the tower, or get it killed... sadface you need to arrange something to get your corp standing again.
- Are you going to expand your industry needs in the futur? Are you just setting up an alt tower or is it going to be for corp members aswell... This is something you need to think about because, once the tower is up you might not be able to simple replace the tower ( standing wise or it just is going to be annoying to stop all production, research and taking a while to unanchor all the mods - arrays and defences -)
on the industry goals you have, is it worth the costs for the tower - are you going to try and utilise the research posibilities-> copy slots wich are rare in empire + inventing which all have a time reducting ofcourse....
We have a large tower that is beeing used by 16 people - and might have room for another person if they take the leftover arrays :D - but that all depends on your needs and such. However, i can say we are using this very efficient and we are easily covering the 350-400mil cost on fuel. On a small tower you might have 100-120mil cost per month, wich means you need to have more then 120mil profit on your 2 toons to just break even on fuel. So open excel and start estimating your profit margins, and then remove another 10% from that to cover fuel price flux and other crackass costs - losing production time because your lines are coming out at 04:00 monday morning and you gotta go to work at 7 ;) ... it sure happens to our guys once in a while and they just can't be arsed after a while to get up a 2hrs earlier.
- Is there a station in the system? -> no station means everyone knows ALL your goodies are inside the pos... might be a reason for people to try and pop your undefended - small pos ( large takes alot of time because of the incredible defence advantages you can instal on them with posgunners : read next point!)
- Posgunners! you need posgunning capable toons! These can man a number of pos guns and focus the towers defences onto one of your chosen target! Without you (your posgunning toons) the tower will cycle all defences on any attackable target, which basicly means your enemies will be able to easily tank damage and warp away to reposition themselves.
With posgunners you can alpha alot of ships! strategicly ewar ships and generaly make even the best fleets give up because of to much effort. Any pos without posgunners will be an easy meal for even the noobest fleets with a set of logistic ships and thought out resist fits.
- Towers.... Personnaly I go for minmatar tower everytime! you can put all 4 damage type ammo in your guns, making it harder for your attackers to resist against your tower.
Amarr: em-therm gallente: kin-therm minmatar: all 3 ( never use missile batteries-> they suck as your tower cannot equip Target Painters and they dont apply any decent damage + travel times - ohyah they go offline in reinforced tower mode because they use PG and CPU)
So all in all, be prepared and layout what you will need in your tower MYPOS - google this program and install it, it allows you to put a towerfit with cpu and pg
The cost for a tower is easy to calculate: look up the tower, check how many fuelblocks it needs per hour, and there ya go, do basic maths^^
Cost per fuelblock *fuelblock per hr * 24hrs * days in month. Small, medium and large use differend amounts ofcourse, and faction towers use less blocks then their T1 counterpart.
So setup a decent plan and estimate if you really are going to profit from this or if you just want to do this to get easy acces to copy slots and the awesomeness that comes with having a fully fitted tower - epeen is important aswell
If you need some more help, dont hesitate to send me an evemail, i'll gladly help J |
miss eve2006
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:40:00 -
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The tower would be used for my self, and an alt. There would be a station in system.
The 120mil sounds a bit over what i would pay. the old prices were around 50mil, so that would easily earn it self in.
My hopes are to expand later, but not within the first few months.
Would it be possible to setup 20 manufacturing slots, and then some for invent/research/copy? |
Jajas Helper
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:43:00 -
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miss eve2006 wrote:The tower would be used for my self, and an alt. There would be a station in system.
The 120mil sounds a bit over what i would pay. the old prices were around 50mil, so that would easily earn it self in.
My hopes are to expand later, but not within the first few months.
Would it be possible to setup 20 manufacturing slots, and then some for invent/research/copy?
download MYPOS -google ftw- http://www.cassandraslight.com/menu-my-pos 20 manufactering slots depend on what you are looking to build... some arrays have 5,6 up to 10 manufactering slots....
and i dont think you'll have to reconsider if you can't handle the 100-120mil / month fuel costs |
Jajas Helper
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:43:00 -
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oh btw, i added some stuff to my first post.. didn't think you'd react this quick ^^
Quote:on the industry goals you have, is it worth the costs for the tower - are you going to try and utilise the research posibilities-> copy slots wich are rare in empire + inventing which all have a time reducting ofcourse....
We have a large tower that is beeing used by 16 people - and might have room for another person if they take the leftover arrays :D - but that all depends on your needs and such. However, i can say we are using this very efficient and we are easily covering the 350-400mil cost on fuel. On a small tower you might have 100-120mil cost per month, wich means you need to have more then 120mil profit on your 2 toons to just break even on fuel. So open excel and start estimating your profit margins, and then remove another 10% from that to cover fuel price flux and other crackass costs - losing production time because your lines are coming out at 04:00 monday morning and you gotta go to work at 7 ;) ... it sure happens to our guys once in a while and they just can't be arsed after a while to get up a 2hrs earlier. |
miss eve2006
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:50:00 -
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I properly could cover it, but i would need to make full use of the research too, since as people say, i can easily find manufacturing slots in high-sec, however.
The 25% faster build time does sound tempting, and could increase profits by.... 25%, which should cover the small tower. |
miss eve2006
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:57:00 -
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Do i need to mix and match the different arrays, like drones ,mall ships, equipment and so forth?
and do towers still use ice and other mats to fuel them?.. the pos manager have all those listed, and no fuel blocks. |
Jajas Helper
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:07:00 -
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miss eve2006 wrote:Do i need to mix and match the different arrays, like drones ,mall ships, equipment and so forth?
and do towers still use ice and other mats to fuel them?.. the pos manager have all those listed, and no fuel blocks.
towers use fuelblocks now... making it easier to work out the cost - ignore that on the 'mypos' program, only use it to setup the fitting.
fuelblocks have all the old components to build them. So however you fit your tower, it will be 10 -20 or 40 fuelblocks per hour on the said tower. if you're sticking with a small tower tower, i might advice you to go for caldari, small towers - when attacked - wont hold up anyway regardless of their race - so you might aswell pull more out of the tower for industry ( caldari offers more room for factery arrays- minmatar more for defence)
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Jajas Helper
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:10:00 -
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and yes, if you are looking to build all kinds of differend items, you'll need the correct arrays for each item...
-> http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Starbase_&_Sovereignty_Structures:Starbase_Structures
check there or ingame |
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miss eve2006
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:21:00 -
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Last question. Will i need a storage space at the pos, if i start all jobs from a station in the same system? |
Jajas Helper
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:37:00 -
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miss eve2006 wrote:Last question. Will i need a storage space at the pos, if i start all jobs from a station in the same system?
all pos jobs can be done from the station ( bpo- bpc wise) - all required items need to be in the array - pos that you will use.
my tip is: if you are using bpos for a long time, train scientific networking to 1 -> allows you to instal jobs within the system, so your bpo/bpcs dont have to be at the array you are building in, other station/pos
* place your bpos in the corp hangar * place your building materials ( all of them) in a pos array or pos corp hangar - or array that has enough space to cover your material volumes. * instal jobs
personaly, i use a pos corp hangar array: when i put in a job i open the corp window- assets and acces the bpo from that window - wich allows me to sit at the pos. Then i move the items into the building array - i start the job i want to do- then pull all materials back into the central corp hangar array. This limits your "DAFUQ DID I PUT THE MATS?" -derp moments! Also always work in the same corp tab (this eliminates you going through 10 arrays- 7 tabs each manualy....)
bpcs i place into the tower with my mats.
For inventions and copying i keep my bpos and bpcs in the lab ( named LAB 1) - and move them around labs when needed...
this is a personal way of keeping track of my mats and bpc/bpos-for copying- nothing worse then going through all your arrays thinking you had extra mats, to realise you actualy used them before or find them in array #30 - tab 7, which ofcourse was the last one you needed to check.
tl'dr: mats always need to be in the pos array of the slot you're using. bpc/bpo can be in any corp hangar or pos hangar. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:25:00 -
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miss eve2006 wrote:Been looking through a few guides, but a lot of them seems outdated with the old fuel and what not.
I am looking into setting a POS up in high sec, its functions will be to produce Tech I and maybe Tech II items with 2 characters (same account). It will also need to do some BPO Research.
I am looking for the best setup, and the price of a full setup + the fuel price for a month. I am also wondering if there are any services that set it up for a fee.
Check the stickies threads at the top of the forum. Lots of good info. |
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