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Ohh Yeah
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Posted - 2009.07.14 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 14/07/2009 19:04:24
Originally by: Kage Toshimado During his next engagment I'd reach over and unplug his network cable.
This is why Kage is great.
I've said a few times that being successful in EVE mirrors ways to success in RL in quite a number of ways.
Should I ever have a kid, and if Eve is around in some way, I'll be handing that kid a dictionary, calculator, and personal account when they turn 10yrs old and wish them luck in conquering the universe.
Still planning to have kids with Lady Spank are you?
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.14 19:18:00 -
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Kids with a brit? Dear god no. ♥
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Grumples McGee
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Posted - 2009.07.14 19:55:00 -
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Eh. There are some points worth making.
EVE mission running = most boring PvE since Lineage 2 EVE mining = most boring resource gathering since UO (attack ground with shovel) EVE 0.0 warfare = blobbing = mindless PvP lovingly duplicated in Warhammer RvR zones EVE militia warfare = most ridiculous PvP since WOW's pre-battleground Hillsbrad
I do love EVE's "pirate style" PvP -- hunting and killing in LowSec and 0.0 with probes and a few friends. I also love EVE's many alternative forms of "yar" like can flipping and looting other people's missions.
But even there I always warn people that "Piracy in EVE is 10% logistics, 89% hunting and 1% combat". I love the hunt, though. I loved PvP on the old EQ PvP servers because it was all about the hunt. Sneaking through the jungles, hunting people down, hiding behind a tree until the moment was right -- EVE is a lot like that. If you like hunting and stalking and killing people who don't want to be killed, I don't know that any game out there is better than EVE. (WW2O is close but that game lacks a sense of investment, since the tank you just lost was not really yours.)
But there are are plenty of things in EVE where I just don't see how anyone can stand it and the WOW-heads are not wrong to point fingers at those things.
I basically see EVE as a form of ADD-detox, too. After years of high action games, it takes a couple weeks of EVE to get back into the groove of patiently waiting for the quality kills rather than simply charging headfirst into meaningless battle after meaningless battle. Some gamers can't do the detox, though. They are stuck with ADD.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2009.07.14 23:23:00 -
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I play WoW, not as much as I used to, I actually started off with EQ2 5 years ago-ish...I went to WoW after burning out on raiding in EQ2 for WoW's PvP. For that genre of MMOs it has good mechanics for PvP, regardless of the /whinefest that is known as the WoW forums.
I quit EVE last year b/c I just found myself wrapped up in EQ2 raiding to the point where I didn't have time for it. After giving up EQ2 and spending 6 months in WoW, I ended up resubbing to EVE (my longing for EVE was augmented by listening to EVE Radio) and I have to say, I find EVE more entertaining that's for sure. WoW still has it's appeal to me, but unfortunately I can only take so much of the people that play WoW...at least in EVE if you kill someone or get killed it's usually ended with a "gf" followed by some advice/humor/whatever...in WoW you just end up with e-peenery and childishness that generally turns me off to the game...I've really only been able to take WoW in small portions since I resubbed to EVE, and am generally happier for it. That and the e-peenery that happens in WoW from being an uber "PvE god cuz I can figure out the NPC scripts" is beyond silly.
I usually want to strangle 90% of the population of the server I'm on in WoW after a couple hours of being there.
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Sans Honore
Gallente Wirfadam Productions LTD
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Posted - 2009.07.15 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus I usually want to strangle 90% of the population of the server I'm on in WoW after a couple hours of being there.
Yep.
I burned out on raiding 2 years ago. I like having to "think" through a problem to solve it. It beats the hell out of grinding rep to solve it.
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FireT
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Posted - 2009.07.15 02:32:00 -
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Ok, there will always be those that love WoW and those that love Eve. Hell we have those that hate WoW and those that hate Eve.
The only real difference is how the developers handle the game and improvements. Overall, Eve has a rather sane group of developers and balances. I just discovered this little article from a WoW employee and he pretty much sums up the issues I ever had with WoW.
http://www.eldergame.com/2009/07/08/the-warcraft-live-teams-b-squad/
Eve might have minor balances, but none that constantly downgrade all classes but 1, and just keep rotating those classes to the top position. Why? Easy, because if CCP completely breaks a ship or even faction they will instantly get the backlash in playing style by the players. In WoW most people have given up on hoping for anything that isn't a ******ed fish flapping on a keyboard and calling it balance.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.15 03:53:00 -
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We have to admit this much:
WOW has much much more content than EVE.
Also, a WOW PVP server is worse than EVE PVP. There is no CONCORD in WOW. I have seen starter zones shut down and the nooblets forced to run.
Fact is, I blame the missioning in EVE for the emorageganker infliction. If I do "Human Cattle" or "Materials for War preparation" one more time, I swear it will be me ganking noobs just to keep from jumping off the nearest bridge.
The content of EVE appears to have once been set up for being very diverse and rich, but somethere, like a workbench that became too cluttered with used parts to be a workbench, that was lost.
And when WH space is stripmalled like much of nullsec, people will begin to leave again - and leave behind the scanning mechanic that now makes low sec missions unprofitable.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.07.15 04:51:00 -
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I read your whole post, and even agreed with you until this point
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer and leave behind the scanning mechanic that now makes low sec missions unprofitable.
Say what you want about the new scanning mechanics, but they are a lot harder to use than the old ones. You now have to actually WORK to find people, which means you can get GOOD at it. Lowsec missioning is no less profitable than it was before, it just means someone where you are running missions has put some time in to learning a skill (and i mean a player skill, not a character skill) and has gotten very good at scanning people down. I would recommend putting some time in to learning the counter to this skill (ie, watch local, check your directional scanner and learn who the pirates in the area are)
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.07.15 04:53:00 -
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I've been playing eve since about mid 2004, and made a couple of characters since, partially due to growing to hate all the RL people who got me into it.
During that time I've played a bundle of other MMOs. And WoW is by far the least enjoyable. Within the first few days, I realised that the rest of the game was going to be exactly the same, just with different graphics. Its not because its a bad game per-se, just that grinding makes my brain hurt and it not feel like a game.
I have a genuine amount of love for both TabRas and Requiem (the former was great, least I thought so, the latter, god awful), both of which i only played in beta, but i LOVE beta communities. Its nice to be playing things for the first time before there's a set way to do things, and there's a genuine sense of exploration and 'holy crap thats AWESOME'. Betas are also cool because people are laid back. It doesn't matter, so you can play like a gentleman. Chuck the good loot to people who can actually use it, even if you never met them... you know.... just be nice :).
Also TabRas beta was the last time I heard someone use the word 'verily' in a non-rp or ironic context, and I was so surprised I splattered a moniter with coke and fell off my chair. Good times. Oh and experiance multiplyers. That was a kickass idea. Why don't other people do that ?
I also enjoyed CoV for the few months I played it. Mainly because I just soloed and got a kick out of getting all the fun new bits and bobs that are scattered around. Comic book stuff is offically cool. And it was cooler that my GF cosplayed my villain for IRL fun times.
Anyway ... I have kinda wandered off topic.
But to sum up.
Eve is one of the things you will never EVER be able to get from another game. I have rage-quit once, and money-quit twice. But for some reason I just keep coming back for more.
Maybe because eve is populated by people who encourage you to play drunk because it leads to comedy loss mails. Maybe because it's something you can do while watching tv or being pleasured under your desk.
Maybe its because once you've understood the scale of eve pvp, thousands of players across hundreds of systems, you will never be impressed by a dozen guys tooling around laughing at how awesome they are. It's like being in the army compared to being a high-school jock. You don't even need to say anything.
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Scapa
Caldari Corporation 12345 Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.15 05:56:00 -
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WoW is so 2008 now i play [ World Of World Of Warcraft's ]
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Xorth Adimus
Caldari The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.07.15 07:06:00 -
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Quote: Needing a break from wow i tried a free trial of EVE Online and i was so mad after just 2 days that i didnt even finsh the damn trial.
It's basically a space mmog where you fly startrek like ships and npc hunt, trade, mine or mission run or build your own empires and stuff. Sounds fine and like a standard game right? Wrong..it's full of griefers....adult griefers.
I went looking for better asteroids in a slightly lower security system than i started in and within 5 seconds of me mining, pirate players warped in, killed me....and took my ore. FFS i'm just a newb in a crappy ship what was the point of that ****?
So I appear back in the station with a kill message and in the basic ship. So I fit some guns and go back this time without mining lasers so i can fight, i get to the system and ask them why they are killing newbies. They told me they didnt know and invited me to thier gang so i could warp to them for my stuff back.
I did then we started talking about the game, they were both in their late 20's and they asked my age. Before i even finished typing they locked me and killed my ship AGAIN. I escaped in my pod and warped from moon to moon trying to loose them but they kept chasing me trying to kill my pod too.
I logged off, **** it and im not going back ever. Worst thing is the developers and GM's ENCOURAGE griefing and say its part of the game!!!!!!????? People can kill and steal from you and they get a pat on the back from GM's? WTF!!
I'm all for concentual pvp but random killings and constant griefing is not fun. Dont EVER play EVE Online, it's a griefers game far beyond any reasonable limit.
I will never stop playing Eve, for this very reason.
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Cal Darinne
Caldari a Lame Astral Dragon Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.07.15 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cal Darinne on 15/07/2009 07:40:07 After what I've read in the beginning (tl;dr), I guess that I'm a rare breed. I play both WoW and EVE at the same time :) ... with success even.
Both games are fun... Especially WoW, when you're making fun of the throng of 10yr old kids.
All in all, EVE Online will always remain my no. 1 game no matter what. ________________________
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.15 09:32:00 -
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i've switched back and forth from wow to eve to wow and several other MMOs and also plenty of single/multiplayer player games on the PC and Wii
EvE vs. WoW? you can't compare apples with bananas (not even using oranges for this comparation)
both trolling sides are right. both games have ups and downs. i have played wow since beta and eve for a year or so. i have fun in both and both games have their downsides. wow and eve players could actually get together and agree that there is the ONE thing that sucks ass wherever you go: developers.
when a eve player goes wow... he goes from playing 2 years with the same star system background, playing a game full of griefes (maybe he is one of those) into a game with elves and trees and cartoonish graphics and a nice excess of young kids and carebears. won't be easy to please that eve player and that's when he quits wow and comes to the forums to make funny comments.
when a wow player goes eve (and trust me, this happens more often than the other way around, due eve 14d free trial and a pretty light client compared to wow) doesn't matter if he was a hardcore raider, uber pvper, or a carebear... he comes from a flashy cartoonish world, he comes from the most popular MMO out there right now (thx to having the most intutive interface, easy learning curve, "sense of reward" by leveling up and many other reasons) to a dark harsh world, with one of the crappiest tutorials you will ever find, a interface designed pre-cold war and the first thing he is gonna learn is that all what he worked for in 24h. playtime went POOF because he didn't have an insurance, a medical clone and he was curious about that can outside the station. ergo... he emorage quits and goes to troll forums. zero punctuation has a very accurate view on how newbs feel about this game. the worst thing is that the review was written in 2008 and nothing has improved.
i can understand both sides TBH.
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Xenophanes Colophon
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Posted - 2009.07.15 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
when a wow player goes eve (and trust me, this happens more often than the other way around, due eve 14d free trial and a pretty light client compared to wow) doesn't matter if he was a hardcore raider, uber pvper, or a carebear... he comes from a flashy cartoonish world, he comes from the most popular MMO out there right now (thx to having the most intutive interface, easy learning curve, "sense of reward" by leveling up and many other reasons) to a dark harsh world, with one of the crappiest tutorials you will ever find, a interface designed pre-cold war and the first thing he is gonna learn is that all what he worked for in 24h. playtime went POOF because he didn't have an insurance, a medical clone and he was curious about that can outside the station. ergo... he emorage quits and goes to troll forums. zero punctuation has a very accurate view on how newbs feel about this game. the worst thing is that the review was written in 2008 and nothing has improved.
i can understand both sides TBH.
You'd think when the noobie went to flip that first can he would've read that criminal act warning. They usually get blown up mining or mission running when a can flipper, mission ganker jumps in, flips a can or loot, and then waits until the noobie shoots at them. Thinking that somehow a day or two of training will make them equal to even a 1 month old player. That's the unfortunate part about the WoW migrants. They have no sense of risk vs reward when it comes to MMO. So they emoragequit the first time they discover that there are consequences for their actions in Eve. Whether they be righteous actions or not.
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.07.15 11:22:00 -
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Wowers want the game developers to set their goals for them, whereas eve players want the freedom of choosing whatever they want to do with their game world. They get their fun from a simple rollercoaster ride through the magic sword and dragon filled dungeons and our definition of fun is something completely different. It's not like that CS player would enjoy complex simulator games either.
I used to play wow since the open beta and I admit it was fun for a while, but after the expansions it went all downhill. It became too simple when the devs were just catering to the simple players and whiners, and it lost all the feeling of epicness from it's content (40man raids were reduced to 25).
But the thing that I really hated is that in the end there is no content. Yes, there will be new dungeons, new items etc. but in the end it's all about just getting that better and shinier magic sword or enchanted bra of +3 fire damage. I want some actual content from my games, not just a diablo 2 for which I have to pay a monthly fee to play.
I can't stand class based MMOs either anymore. In eve I can fly just about everything up to battlecruisers, except caldari t2 stuff. I'm a jack of all trades in eve just as I am in real life, specializing just isn't my thing. Class based games mean that I have really hard time choosing my class, and when I finally get it to max level I might want to try something else and that just means going through the level grind all over again. Not funny at all.
Hurf and blurf.
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Xyriach
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Posted - 2009.07.15 11:34:00 -
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I've been a WoW player for years and have from time to time dabbled in EVE, setting up a trial account and having a bash and then deciding that EVE is a vicious, mean and damned harsh game that is better left alone.
I've made it further through this time to the point where I've signed up for a full account and haven't touched WoW in over a week now.
Why?
Because EVE makes sense. It isn't confused about what it is or who its customers are, it is what it is.
It's a huge game with thousands of options and no real "right way" of fulfiling any of them. Which is what makes it daunting at first, and coming from the "pick up and play" background of WoW, unless you really appreciate that EVE is not so much a different ball park as a different, erm, game (when good metaphors go bad) you can begin to get to grips with it.
WoW is a PvE game that's got a PvP player base. By this I mean that WoW is principally PvE, the leveling process is PvE, the majority of the content is PvE and even the PvP depends on PvE so much in that you have to use the PvE world to support your PvP play. This creates the paradox of WoW, they nerf and buff the game to suit the complaints of the PvPers as they throw themselves into developing the PvP side of the game, which causes an outcry from the PvE crowd (which is everyone sooner or later) so the buff or nerf something else which has led them to the point where the game is almost unplayable as no skill remains constant for long enough for you to adapt to it's most recent changes. World of Patchcraft it should be renamed.
It takes skill to play both games well. It takes patience to play them both. WoW is forgiving in certain ways that EVE is not and vice versa, so it's entirely up to how you want to spend your playtime, but WoW, is, was and always will be in the hands of developers who listen to 12 year olds.
EVE, you have to love. The devs don't spend their time listening to thirteen sides of the same argument and having to find a solution that suits everyone.
They've gone "Here's a galaxy, go play. PS Some people are ****s, deal with it."
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Jint Hikaru
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.07.15 12:09:00 -
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Quote: I used to play wow since the open beta and I admit it was fun for a while, but after the expansions it went all downhill. It became too simple when the devs were just catering to the simple players and whiners, and it lost all the feeling of epicness from it's content (40man raids were reduced to 25).
Same thing happened to EQ.. first few expansions were great, then they made traveling easier, gave more classes the same abilities, made corpse recoveries trivial, added in more and more grind to progress (keyed zones, faction grind for spell vendors, bah)
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.15 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Draeca Wowers want the game developers to set their goals for them, whereas eve players want the freedom of choosing whatever they want to do with their game world.
sadly spending some time on other game forums it's not just Wow players that are like this. The majority of gamers are getting this way. They don't seem to want any game to be to hard for them to play, it's not fun if they can lose. One of the things I like about Eve is that Stupid hurts.
Take the can labeled free in front of a station and you'll probably go boom. Accept a contract without reading it and you are outta isk. Smack talk the wrong people or be an jack*ss on the forums and you get a war dec.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.15 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 15/07/2009 12:55:04
Originally by: Ta'jek sadly spending some time on other game forums it's not just Wow players that are like this. The majority of gamers are getting this way.
sad but true. and the real hardcore gamers have to suffer the consequences because all that's on the market are crap games with no difficulty whatsoever.
i'd thay THIS pretty much sums it up nicely.
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Dannerkongen
1st Recon
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Posted - 2009.07.15 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sarpedeus Edited by: Sarpedeus on 12/07/2009 21:57:37
Quote: eve online is boring. tried it once.. not that i played it for a long time.. but.. spaceships and stuff? naah. i want elves and magic :3
that's me irl
HAHAHAAAA AHA elves and magic! lol
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Hexperience
Amarr Calico Jacks
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Posted - 2009.07.15 13:48:00 -
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Quote: Get killed by space pirates
lol
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Donatella D'Tren
Cloak and Daggers HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xyriach
They've gone "Here's a galaxy, go play. PS Some people are ****s, deal with it."
This. This is why I'm never leaving.
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Liyla
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Posted - 2009.07.15 17:21:00 -
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Is there any MMORPG out there similar to Eves freedoms (pvp, market) but in an character-enviroment (I mean like WoW or EQ2)?
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Sarpedeus
Paragon Productions
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Posted - 2009.07.15 18:35:00 -
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I'm not really sure where people got the impression that I dislike WoW from???
I'm actually going to give it a shot this time, and like, get to level 80 and ****. And like, do raids or whatever wacky **** those crazy WoW kids do.
Everytime I've tried it before, I ragequit @ level 15 or so.
So we'll see~~~
Good discussion ITT about WoW/EVE btw, n1.
They're just such completely different styles of games that it's difficult to compare, although I really feel that the PvP in WoW is lacking compared to EVE's, but I haven't done battlegrounds and stuff yet so vOv
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Grann Thefauto
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.07.15 19:22:00 -
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I got up to level 23 or so in WOW because my mom was playing and wanted me to join too (I'm such a good son). It was fun for a bit, but then I realized there was nothing more to do but kill NPCs. I did the battle grounds for a while and that was way more fun since there was an actual challenge, but that becomes a grind pretty quick too. I hated the fact that I was guaranteed to lose if I was 5 levels lower than someone.
Then I switched back to Eve and luckily fell in with the wrong crowd. What I love about eve so much is that there is a real art to it. WOW is more of a science where you CAN have ultimate DPS + super magic defense, and big stats always win. Its not really anymore variable than a math equation. In eve however you can get soundly trounced by three destroyers in your fully faction fit Navy Raven. When EFT Warrioring is a legitimate criticism you know you have a good game.
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Ohh Yeah
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Posted - 2009.07.15 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Kids with a brit? Dear god no.
High-five for good personal hygiene! o/\o
(Uhh. You didn't have any objections with having kids with a man who pretends to be a woman on the internet. I'm concerned.)
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.07.15 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sarpedeus I'm not really sure where people got the impression that I dislike WoW from???
I'm actually going to give it a shot this time, and like, get to level 80 and ****. And like, do raids or whatever wacky **** those crazy WoW kids do.
Everytime I've tried it before, I ragequit @ level 15 or so.
So we'll see~~~
Good discussion ITT about WoW/EVE btw, n1.
They're just such completely different styles of games that it's difficult to compare, although I really feel that the PvP in WoW is lacking compared to EVE's, but I haven't done battlegrounds and stuff yet so vOv
I spend almost all my WoW time in battle grounds or arena. Battle grounds are awesome, but if you want a real challenge you'll do arena. Just don't bother jumping into arena matches unless you're geared (i.e. buy a full pvp set).
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Zander Coyote
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
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Posted - 2009.07.15 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ohh Yeah
Originally by: Awesome Possum Kids with a brit? Dear god no.
High-five for good personal hygiene! o/\o
(Uhh. You didn't have any objections with having kids with a man who pretends to be a woman on the internet. I'm concerned.)
I'm a guy who dreams he's a woman who pretends to be a guy that plays female characters online.
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seizoni
Minmatar Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2009.07.16 01:46:00 -
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Quote: "only *******s post on game forums. (Statistically speaking, anyway.)"
I like that WoW dev.
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Cal Darinne
Caldari a Lame Astral Dragon Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.07.16 02:26:00 -
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I've been playing EVE for 2 years now and WoW since its beta. First couple of months in EVE were nerve wrecking. After that I came to understand almost all of its aspects, and now, after 2+ years I believe that EVE > WoW any day. ________________________
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