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Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:23:00 -
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Hi!
I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what to choose between:
Raven Navy Issue and Scorpion Navy Issue
I did hear that a Tengu would be the most desirable, but I don't have the skills and neither the money for that.
So I have to choose between those two.
Thanks in advance! |
Silas Wrex
Zombie Kitten Surprise
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:53:00 -
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Between the two of those, Raven. It's a much more capable ship for soloing level 4's. |
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:46:00 -
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Navy raven is always a good choice. |
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:56:00 -
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Buuut... if i'm really short on money, would the Scorpion work as well?
Like get the Scorp, gather isk then buy Raven... Would that be feasible? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:59:00 -
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if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven. |
Warpshade
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:59:00 -
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CNR for efficiency Scorp for lazyness |
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:32:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven.
Ok, ty. And the Scorp would be...... active tank, yes?
Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?! |
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:36:00 -
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Warpshade wrote:CNR for efficiency Scorp for lazyness
Sorry, what do you mean by ? |
Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:51:00 -
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Let's not draw this out. Raven or CNR are better for missions. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:56:00 -
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Olmecu wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven. Ok, ty. And the Scorp would be...... active tank, yes? Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?!
That's an impression. Same dps out of same 6 launchers. Unless you fit torp Raven, where the missile velocity bonus wouldn't be wasted. But torp's not really viable for pve Raven anyway, despite the bonus.
Between SNI and CNR, CNR has one more launcher for more dps, SNI has more of everything else (tank, cap, mobility, # slots, slot layout, etc).
CNR: 7 launchers, 6 mids, 5 lows 5% rop bonus, 10% missile velocity bonus per lvl
SNI: 6 launchers, 8 mids, 4 lows 5% rop bonus, 5% resist bonus per lvl
CNR needs to be fit for full gank to be effective. A 7 launcher 3 bcs CNR does the same dps as a 6 launcher 4 bcs SNI, at which point, the SNI will have better cap , better speed, and far better tank. Fit CNR for cap booster and full gank, otherwise, there's no point. |
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:29:00 -
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I prefer the SNI. You can fit to get similar dps to the CNR but you also get the extra mids for a TP or 2, which will make applied DPS much better. I run with 3 rigors and 1 TP and an explosion radius implant. This means I can use fury's all the way down to cruisers. Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:47:00 -
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Get Navy Scorp to save isk. It works wonderfully. Use active shield tank with x-large shield booster. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |
Warpshade
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:55:00 -
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Olmecu wrote:Warpshade wrote:CNR for efficiency Scorp for lazyness Sorry, what do you mean by ?
Sorry It was abit of a flippant answer, to clarify; given the bonuses, and slot layout of the Scorp, it has a much larger tank, although less DPS than a CNR. The CNR gets the job done fast through its damage. Therefore the Scorp can do missions at a more leisurely pace due to its tank. It can also fit an omni tank, allowing less time swapping hardeners if one choose too, which again went to my point of being "lazy". |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:24:00 -
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Why waste RL money to make fake internet space ship money that only buys you derision from other dudes that give more respect to a turd lying in the grass? But in your case, they would rather step on you (funny that ). Cancel account and go elsewhere that does not have such boring PVE content as EVE where other people at least respect your choices without comming off as the ******* that dropped that turd. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 01:12:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Why waste RL money to make fake internet space ship money that only buys you derision from other dudes that give more respect to a turd lying in the grass? But in your case, they would rather step on you (funny that ). Cancel account and go elsewhere that does not have such boring PVE content as EVE where other people at least respect your choices without comming off as the ******* that dropped that turd.
jeeez.. did mommy take away your pocket money. You should quite as clearly you cannot be constructive... maybe go back to wow.. Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.05.23 02:06:00 -
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Olmecu wrote:Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?!
keep the standard raven till you have the iskies that you can afford the navy raven. navy scorp is at best a bit of a side grade from the raven. |
Dato Koppla
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.23 02:54:00 -
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I went from Navy Scorp > Navy Raven, it's nice to have the tank bonus to help guide through your first time going through L4s, I know I messed up and needed the extra tank quite a few times as a newbie. When you're comfortable you'll want more dps, then get a CNR and use the classic 3xRigors + Cap Booster + 4xBCUs setup. |
Evolution1979
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:32:00 -
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If you want a navy scorp, you would probably be better of taking a rattlesnake imo. But then you would have to train drone skills and gallente bs tho. But if you wanna be indestructible in your missions and also have a nice damage output, this is what i would aim for.
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Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:15:00 -
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Evolution1979 wrote:If you want a navy scorp, you would probably be better of taking a rattlesnake imo. But then you would have to train drone skills and gallente bs tho. But if you wanna be indestructible in your missions and also have a nice damage output, this is what i would aim for.
Well, I don't have the skills and also.... a Rattlesnake is about what? 3 times more expensive than a Scorpion Navy Issue? |
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:19:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Why waste RL money to make fake internet space ship money that only buys you derision from other dudes that give more respect to a turd lying in the grass? But in your case, they would rather step on you (funny that ). Cancel account and go elsewhere that does not have such boring PVE content as EVE where other people at least respect your choices without comming off as the ******* that dropped that turd.
lol.
first, if one can produce the necessary isk in a month, then plex can be bought => no RL money invested...
second, doing PVE means i don't interact with others ingame, which is perfectly ok for me => no "respect" issues...
so all you said trully has NO logic whatsoever... |
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Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:20:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:I went from Navy Scorp > Navy Raven, it's nice to have the tank bonus to help guide through your first time going through L4s, I know I messed up and needed the extra tank quite a few times as a newbie. When you're comfortable you'll want more dps, then get a CNR and use the classic 3xRigors + Cap Booster + 4xBCUs setup.
How much improvement comes from the 4th BCU? Is it REALLY worth to put a 4th BCU?? |
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:23:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Olmecu wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven. Ok, ty. And the Scorp would be...... active tank, yes? Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?! That's an impression. Same dps out of same 6 launchers. Unless you fit torp Raven, where the missile velocity bonus wouldn't be wasted. But torp's not really viable for pve Raven anyway, despite the bonus. Between SNI and CNR, CNR has one more launcher for more dps, SNI has more of everything else (tank, cap, mobility, # slots, slot layout, etc). CNR: 7 launchers, 6 mids, 5 lows 5% rop bonus, 10% missile velocity bonus per lvl SNI: 6 launchers, 8 mids, 4 lows 5% rop bonus, 5% resist bonus per lvl CNR needs to be fit for full gank to be effective. A 7 launcher 3 bcs CNR does the same dps as a 6 launcher 4 bcs SNI, at which point, the SNI will have better cap , better speed, and far better tank. Fit CNR for cap booster and full gank, otherwise, there's no point.
Could you point me into the right direction for a really really good SNI fit, please? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:53:00 -
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Olmecu wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:I went from Navy Scorp > Navy Raven, it's nice to have the tank bonus to help guide through your first time going through L4s, I know I messed up and needed the extra tank quite a few times as a newbie. When you're comfortable you'll want more dps, then get a CNR and use the classic 3xRigors + Cap Booster + 4xBCUs setup. How much improvement comes from the 4th BCU? Is it REALLY worth to put a 4th BCU??
the fourth BCU should get you about 8% extra DPS. if you have *enough* tank, then every little extra DPS is worth it. if you struggle, then you can skip it. here is a solid build that should get you through any lvl4 if you play right:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58394-Scorpion-Navy-Issue-Lvl-4-solo-runner.html
the gist shield booster is not necessary. you can use T2 if you don't have the money. you can also use 'Arbalest' launchers instead of the T2 ones, but i would strongly advise to get T2 light drones |
Ayame Tao
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:15:00 -
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Having flown both, a point I feel hasn't been addressed is propulsion mods.
The SNI's extra midslots (and bonus) allow fitting of a f**k you tank, target painter AND an afterburner. The SNI's better cap allows easier use of missile rigs instead of CCCs (and can be run without cap boosters)
For me, the afterburner is crucial if you need to fly to acceleration gates or have to close distance on mission officer ships (long range engagements struggle more to break their tank - such as Rachen Mysuna in Vengeance)
If you've got good skills to use mostly T2 mods and launchers, the CNR will do more DPS at longer range (with its 10% missile velocity bonus) and critically (IMO) good T2 drone skills for dealing with frigs without a TP.
I actually prefer the SNI. The fact its a good 100 mill cheaper too is just gravy.
I dumped the CNR and am working towards a Rattlesnake (or maybe cross training to support a Nightmare) as I feel they are the next step up in performance that makes enough of an improvement over what my SNI can do. Lets not mention the poor blighted Golem as an 'improvement' :(
And it looks sexeh :)
*edit* forgot some fit for you:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/53110-Scorpion-Navy-Issue-PVE.html |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:26:00 -
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ayame is right. while the navy raven will shine with really good skills, the navy scorp has all the advantages a new player would want: - rigor and flare rigs make your missiles do good damage to cruisers even without the best skills or implants. - an afterburner is very convenient and the scorp can fit one without hurting its tank too much. - 100mil price difference is nothing to sneer at when you are new, especially when losing your ship is still a possibility. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:04:00 -
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Olmecu wrote:Evolution1979 wrote:If you want a navy scorp, you would probably be better of taking a rattlesnake imo. But then you would have to train drone skills and gallente bs tho. But if you wanna be indestructible in your missions and also have a nice damage output, this is what i would aim for.
Well, I don't have the skills and also.... a Rattlesnake is about what? 3 times more expensive than a Scorpion Navy Issue?
they were going for about 600m, but someone jacked the price the other day (seems to be coming down pretty quickly), but usually not that much more expensive
with the new drone damage mods the rattler might do pretty well, but it is a ton of training time if you are fairly close to being well off in a raven and not worth putting off for that long. maybe a goal to go for later? |
Fozzy Dorsai
The Kissaki Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:24:00 -
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When I skilled up for my first mission BS, I chose the SNI as I like to err on the side of tank vs gank. (And yes, that makes missions take longer.) Once I got the hang of L4s and was more sure of myself, I picked up the CNR and have been very happy with it, relegating my SNI to a remote mission site I use occasionally. Still, if there is a new mission that I'm not familiar with, more times than not I'll wander in with my SNI to learn it as it tends to be more forgiving. I also fly a Rattler (AFK and ultra-laziness), and a Tengu (much fun), and find that each mission has a ship thats best for it. Bottom line: You won't go wrong either way, but if you are unsure of your skills, start with the SNI. You can always sell it later. PS--And remember, this is a game. Do it the way that makes it fun for you. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:26:00 -
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Olmecu wrote:How much improvement comes from the 4th BCU? Is it REALLY worth to put a 4th BCU?? imo good enough to be worth more than anything else I could fit in that slot. on the cnr the 5th slot gets a signal amplifier II extra targets locked, extra lock range, and scan res.
Daniel Plain wrote:ayame is right. while the navy raven will shine with really good skills, the navy scorp has all the advantages a new player would want: - rigor and flare rigs make your missiles do good damage to cruisers even without the best skills or implants. - an afterburner is very convenient and the scorp can fit one without hurting its tank too much. - 100mil price difference is nothing to sneer at when you are new, especially when losing your ship is still a possibility.
easy enough to fit rigors to a cnr imo. ab, probably the best argument I've seen for the navy scorp if you are afraid of losing your ship just stick to an insured raven. |
Dato Koppla
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:39:00 -
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Yeah the SNI will give you better performance as a newbie as it's easy to fit and has all the extras like tank bonus, cap, mids etc. The X-Large + Cap Booster + Rigors + 4 BCU fit is very tight on the CNR and requires either co-processor, pimping the shield booster, or pimping the damage mods. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.05.24 05:43:00 -
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SNI for now and Navy Raven latter if you want for all the reasons listed already. The possilbility of screwing up and losing your ship when your new is too high don't risk it, it sucks having to try to recoup those losses. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
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