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Lexa Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:48:00 -
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Did you even read this thread at all? Wtf is the point of going on SiSi and leaving feedback if you morons don't actually give two ***** about what we think? |
Darth Kilth
Clan Exiled Legends
14
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:49:00 -
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But they did read it and they value your feedback.
They just made the decision to ignore it when it came down to it.
But your feedback was appreciated anyway. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1666
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:55:00 -
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They want feedback on how to make it better not how you don't want it at all. Either way there are a lot of people in that thread that have no problem with the changes. Vocal minority again... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:57:00 -
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CCP only listens to their Goon Overlords. Duuuur. Heh. |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:58:00 -
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You know CCP LOVES to troll players.
Epic Win! |
Lexa Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:06:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:They want feedback on how to make it better not how you don't want it at all. Either way there are a lot of people in that thread that have no problem with the changes. Vocal minority again...
Even ignoring the "I don't want it at all" posts, there was a lot of 'constructive' feedback in that thread on how to make it more functional and less cumbersome. CCP chose to ignore all of the feedback. As someone who has been on the test server multiple times a week over the past month or so doing alliance tourney practices, I can tell you that the inventory system wasn't tweaked a single time. It went from it's first introduction on SiSi to live release on TQ without a single change being made to it.
In that thread you will also find posts documenting several bugs with the system (ships not appearing in the inventory properly, items 'disappearing' etc). Strangely enough the inventory system was released on TQ with all the exact same bugs still intact. The issue is not the inventory system. I'm not a fan of it in it's current state, but I feel it could be good with some tweaks and adjustments, the issue is again, like always, CCP 1) completely ignores any and all feedback from their customers, and 2) imposes UI changes on us, rather than introducing UI options.
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Xander Karsoth
Racketeer's
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:08:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:CCP only listens to their Goon Overlords. Duuuur. Grow up.... |
Lex Avril
Funk Soul Brothers High Rollers
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:55:00 -
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I love the game. I love the effort, CCP is putting into it and bringing it closer to the future, for the sake of CCP and the fun for the players. I love many new features and also that CCP obviously has increased the manpower in the developement.
I still have it in my ear, what the CEO of CCP said not too long ago, about listening to players, about where they want to go speaking in terms of customer service.
The aimed understanding of CCP towards the players hasn't yet grown to a cultural thing. They want us on Sisi. But to develop their ideas, not to listen nor help us. And all this for the reward of 100000 ish skillpoints, lol. Let's put that straight: it does make no sense to limit the skillpoints on a testserver, if it really is what it is supposed to be: trying new ways, getting a feel of that cool dictor, battleship, carrier, whatever. Big announcements for engagement, when it's about their needs and interests. Not even paying attention to the effort of engaged players, who give a constructive feedback. Why would I take the hassle of going on Sisi... pff.
I find myself the longer the more not only sad about missed opportunities to build for an excellent future, but also angry about the resistance of CCP to learn. They knew better.
My decision is still to spend my time by playing Eve.
I am confident that listening will become part of the culture of CCP. It's clearly not yet. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
137
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:57:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:They want feedback on how to make it better not how you don't want it at all. Either way there are a lot of people in that thread that have no problem with the changes. Vocal minority again...
Sorry what ????? most ppl in that thread and others disliked the new UI. What where you reading ??, think you will find its the vocal majority this time around.
Tal |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:58:00 -
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They understand LOSE OF SUBS |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
326
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:00:00 -
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There is a difference between asking for something and receiving it.
Also faceless one, it is Loss of subs Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
104
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:00:00 -
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Lexa Hellfury wrote:Did you even read this thread at all? Wtf is the point of going on SiSi and leaving feedback if you morons don't actually give two ***** about what we think?
God I hope not, that thread is pretty dumb.
"Dear CCP your new feature needs 500 additional features for it to be everything I ever wanted. Please take care of that in the next couple weeks."
Dumb. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
137
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:01:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:There is a difference between asking for something and receiving it.
Also faceless one, it is Loss of subs
True except we didn't ask for this change and still got it
Tal |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
326
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:05:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:THE L0CK wrote:There is a difference between asking for something and receiving it.
Also faceless one, it is Loss of subs True except we didn't ask for this change and still got it Tal
YOU didn't ask for this change. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:06:00 -
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adam smash wrote:They understand LOSE OF SUBS
You keep saying this. Are you an employee of a rival MMO? Maybe from Blizzard or Bioware? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Mindseamstress
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:10:00 -
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TBH it seems that they must be allowing changes to be made by ppl who are not playing on a regular basis. How else could patches like this get so messed up? |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:16:00 -
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I think CCP should release another expansion that accidentally deletes your boot.ini. Then maybe you whiners would be grateful for a few little bugs. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1050
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:18:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Lexa Hellfury wrote:Did you even read this thread at all? Wtf is the point of going on SiSi and leaving feedback if you morons don't actually give two ***** about what we think? God I hope not, that thread is pretty dumb. "Dear CCP your new feature needs 500 additional features for it to be everything I ever wanted. Please take care of that in the next couple weeks." Dumb. Whilst yes, there are limitations to what can be implemented when on a deadline, releasing something with bugs as obnoxious and pervasive as the cargo hold reopening every single session change is pretty lame.
There are certain things that just shouldn't have been ignored. This is probably not an issue with the developers, this an issue with CCP management needing to learn how to set appropriate deadlines.
If it is unrealistic that a fully finished product will make the deadline, fine cut a few features and add them later. But if multiple major features (the UI and war decs) are receiving streams of negative feedback on testing, and you have bugs you simply cannot iron out in time, inferno release date should have been pushed back.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Crunchy Crunchy Peregrine Nation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:19:00 -
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I really like Inferno's changes and I'm grateful for them. The new inventory is awesome in my opinion, as are the V3 shaders and the missiles. The only thing I'm not sure of are the new wardecs.
One of the advantages of being a newb like me is that I'm not too attached to old things. Although there are a few problems with the new interface, it is much, much better than the old one. http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/
Sojourn, a newbie's EVE blog. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
138
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:21:00 -
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Zhihatsu wrote:I think CCP should release another expansion that accidentally deletes your boot.ini. Then maybe you whiners would be grateful for a few little bugs.
Yeah because a bigger cluster f*ck always make me grateful fot the smaller ones. ( I was late patching that one so dodged the bullet)
My perception of a company I give money to shouldn't be, well at least they haven't fu**ed up as badly this time, I'm so grateful here have some more cash.
Tal
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
202
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:23:00 -
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Lexa Hellfury wrote:Did you even read this thread at all? Wtf is the point of going on SiSi and leaving feedback if you morons don't actually give two ***** about what we think?
Write your own EVE? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1051
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:27:00 -
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Indeterminacy wrote:Lexa Hellfury wrote:Did you even read this thread at all? Wtf is the point of going on SiSi and leaving feedback if you morons don't actually give two ***** about what we think? Write your own EVE? You realise Eve has competitors already, right? Not that I would ever leave Eve, even if CCP do botch releases pretty regularly, but if they ever did annoy us to that extent we don't need to write our own game.
We'd just swap to a competitor.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
104
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:32:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Whilst yes, there are limitations to what can be implemented when on a deadline, releasing something with bugs as obnoxious and pervasive as the cargo hold reopening every single session change is pretty lame.
There are certain things that just shouldn't have been ignored. This is probably not an issue with the developers, this an issue with CCP management needing to learn how to set appropriate deadlines.
If it is unrealistic that a fully finished product will make the deadline, fine cut a few features and add them later. But if multiple major features (the UI and war decs) are receiving streams of negative feedback on testing, and you have bugs you simply cannot iron out in time, inferno release date should have been pushed back.
Of course then you'd all be on here complaining that the expansion was pushed back and what a failure ccp is at releasing things.
I bet they all had a big meeting and decided to release some bugs on purpose, just to upset everyone.
Oh well. So much for this game. Any game with bugs in an expansion release is obviously crap. Please let me know when your internet spaceship game comes out. It obviously takes someone with your nuanced grasp of game production to figure this stuff out and I think it'll be great to finally have a game that has no bugs, ever ... that is really the most realistic minimum standard. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Boomhaur
69
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:34:00 -
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From the few minutes I played with the new UI they have a decent base to start with, if they changed a few things around it would be great. I think it should still be on the test server though till they get it down. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1052
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:39:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Whilst yes, there are limitations to what can be implemented when on a deadline, releasing something with bugs as obnoxious and pervasive as the cargo hold reopening every single session change is pretty lame.
There are certain things that just shouldn't have been ignored. This is probably not an issue with the developers, this an issue with CCP management needing to learn how to set appropriate deadlines.
If it is unrealistic that a fully finished product will make the deadline, fine cut a few features and add them later. But if multiple major features (the UI and war decs) are receiving streams of negative feedback on testing, and you have bugs you simply cannot iron out in time, inferno release date should have been pushed back. Of course then you'd all be on here complaining that the expansion was pushed back and what a failure ccp is at releasing things. I bet they all had a big meeting and decided to release some bugs on purpose, just to upset everyone. Oh well. So much for this game. Any game with bugs in an expansion release is obviously crap. Please let me know when your internet spaceship game comes out. It obviously takes someone with your nuanced grasp of game production to figure this stuff out and I think it'll be great to finally have a game that has no bugs, ever ... that is really the most realistic minimum standard. It's not a matter of not having any bugs, ever. It's a matter of not having major, commonly occuring and reproducable bugs that have been reported for weeks in public testing make it through to the final release.
I've never seen that in any product before Eve, let alone the fact that in Eve it happens regularly.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
867
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Posted - 2012.05.23 00:19:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:I think CCP should release another expansion that accidentally deletes your boot.ini. Then maybe you whiners would be grateful for a few little bugs. Yeah because a bigger cluster f*ck always make me grateful fot the smaller ones. ( I was late patching that one so dodged the bullet) My perception of a company I give money to shouldn't be, well at least they haven't fu**ed up as badly this time, I'm so grateful here have some more cash. We love clustering our ... uh ...
Maybe one day they'll delete the internet by accident, or even, oh no here it comes, General Discussion Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.05.23 00:22:00 -
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Lexa Hellfury wrote:Did you even read this thread at all? Wtf is the point of going on SiSi and leaving feedback if you morons don't actually give two ***** about what we think?
"Watch what they do not what they say"
Thought they WERENT doing this anymoew http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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