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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
189
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:26:00 -
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It is amazing how the botters in the three systems my other toon mines in frequently are suddenly nowhere in sight since the release of this new inventory system. I have all three systems to myself. Loving it!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
839
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:33:00 -
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Ymmi Stenson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Actually the new inventory is probably much easier to write bots around considering everything is in one window now. So why it-¦s so hard for those humans?
Bots are bad with variable / dynamic stuff but can do the same lame, dumb thing again and again like a pro (mining anyone?).
The new UI is as static and requires as many repetitive actions as a bot would ever dream of. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
189
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:35:00 -
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BTW if you do not think this hasn't had a huge impact on botting ops...go check out the server status. Since the release of Inferno, server numbers have literally been cut in half. A new patch generally sees a uptick the first 24hrs of people playing. That has not been the case with Inferno.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
189
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ymmi Stenson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Actually the new inventory is probably much easier to write bots around considering everything is in one window now. So why it-¦s so hard for those humans? Bots are bad with variable / dynamic stuff but can do the same lame, dumb thing again and again like a pro (mining anyone?). The new UI is as static and requires as many repetitive actions as a bot would ever dream of.
Sure but the new system requires a player to constantly open and close windows and windows close by themselves now and do not stay open. Plus with the way POS's are handled in the new inventory system...lol... yeah...the botters that use to mine zip to their POS, then back to the belt, wash, rinse, repeat... gone! :)
Love it! |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
480
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:39:00 -
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It would be a great way to spot a lot of bots though. Just keep an eye out on all the 23/7 online players that suddenly are absent until the botting programs have been adapted to the new UI. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Kryxal
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
1
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:57:00 -
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snake pies wrote:Currently, the same sorting view option is forced on ship and item hangars, and this is not acceptable. I want my ship hangar in icons, and my item hangars as list view. Thank you.
I like to have my cargo in icons (but actual inventory in lists), but that part isn't such a big deal. For my corp, living out of POSes, what IS a big deal is load times! Loading one SMA doesn't happen anymore, it loads EVERYTHING in the whole POS! It's a whole lot more data to transfer, and slower to even START accessing. I wonder if it's worth asking Two-step to look into, since he's familiar with life in w-space... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1061
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:11:00 -
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Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:32:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface.
Hmm...you sure seem to know a lot about that. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
195
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:43:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:Not trolling.
I like the new inventory system......... and again...... THEY NEVER SAY WHY
I like the new inventory system because I played wit hit for a bit, set up my windows a bit differently now I can move through my ships and move stuff around.
I can quicky open multiple different windows if I need to access many containers
I can move stuff between containers, in and out fast
I can access multiple corp bays at the same time
I can filter and find junk I need in a flash
And other assorted bits I like about it, HTFU or GTFO is the usual reply. It is more efficient, and is awesome for those dealing with logistics if you are paying attention to it and fiddle with it some more. Too many old fuddies who cannot adjust to something that I find is alot better. I only miss the items and ships in station window functioning proper. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:45:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:Not trolling.
I like the new inventory system......... and again...... THEY NEVER SAY WHY I like the new inventory system because I played wit hit for a bit, set up my windows a bit differently now I can move through my ships and move stuff around. I can quicky open multiple different windows if I need to access many containers I can move stuff between containers, in and out fast I can access multiple corp bays at the same time I can filter and find junk I need in a flash And other assorted bits I like about it, HTFU or GTFO is the usual reply. It is more efficient, and is awesome for those dealing with logistics if you are paying attention to it and fiddle with it some more. Too many old fuddies who cannot adjust to something that I find is alot better. I only miss the items and ships in station window functioning proper.
If you are happy, you really don't have to address me personally.
I will NEVER be swayed back to play by this...............crap. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
195
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:53:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
If you are happy, you really don't have to address me personally.
I will NEVER be swayed back to play by this...............crap.
Oh, It was because your quote made it seem that the people who like it haven't said why they do, so just wanted some reasons was all. I don't bother with poses since never had a use, so not sure how it is when you end up with 30 arrays or anything like that. I can see some clutter starting there, but cannot give it much comment. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
394
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface.
No, at least one uses the GUI and OCR (optical character recognition) to 'emulate' a human player as much as possible. Unfortunately, combating this over the years has made it harder on players to actually see the data they want to see clearly. Calls to make things neater are always ignored if they could potentially help a botting application. Microsoft makes sure that you can do a basic function three ways. CCP makes sure that you can only do it one way, even if it means getting rid of the other ways all together. The upside of this is that, if they can simplify the UI enough, they can port it to the PS3 eventually. |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:57:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:adam smash wrote:Should make it easier TBH Don't think so. You think bad, you need some butt spank right now to put your ideas at the right place
You think worse I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:04:00 -
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Hum... if this is correct, lots of shuttles will be reprocessed soon.
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:08:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Hum... if this is correct, lots of shuttles will be reprocessed soon.
Huh ?
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:16:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Hum... if this is correct, lots of shuttles will be reprocessed soon.
Huh ?
Ok, ok... check it out (100% tinfoilhatery but it might work)... if bots can't mine, veldspar/tritanium supply tanks, then trit price goes up. And if people don't adjust sale orders on shuttles... Buy Shuttles, reprocess, sell trit: Profit. |
Zleon Leigh
137
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:21:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:adam smash wrote:Should make it easier TBH Don't think so. Bots thrive on predictability, and thew new UI gives just that. It puts every container into a nice list in a window that is always the same size and same spot. It provides convenient access (for bots, which don't care about massive amounts of clicking and hotkeys) to the inventory. The old UI involved opening multiple windows up, making the developer's job harder. They had to keep track of what was open and when. Now it's all in one window. CCP managed to deploy a "fix" that makes the game harder for humans to play but far easier for bots. LOL.
Have the new UI jog around just enough to move the "fetch from cargo" hotspot to "Trash it"
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Zleon Leigh
137
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:25:00 -
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Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1061
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:29:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface. Hmm...you sure seem to know a lot about that. Indeed, not being an idiot really helps when trying to understand these magical "computer" machines.
Anyway didn't you claim a few days ago that your account was running out? Why don't you help things along and biomass?
MadMuppet wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface. No, at least one uses the GUI and OCR (optical character recognition) to 'emulate' a human player as much as possible. Unfortunately, combating this over the years has made it harder on players to actually see the data they want to see clearly. Calls to make things neater are always ignored if they could potentially help a botting application. Ahh, I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed they didn't load the interface to save on resources when running multiple clients concurrently.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
91
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:34:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL
Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it. |
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Zleon Leigh
137
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:42:00 -
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Malice Redeemer wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL
Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it.
Just going with seeing many threads locked for it. Believe what you want....
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:45:00 -
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Malice Redeemer wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL
Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it.
When we open a how to bot subforum or maybe "All about bots" chat then you'll be welcome to do so. As it stands it's discussing activities which violate the EULA and are therefore not welcome here. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Dethbringer1
NoWar4Me
8
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:48:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:BTW if you do not think this hasn't had a huge impact on botting ops...go check out the server status. Since the release of Inferno, server numbers have literally been cut in half. A new patch generally sees a uptick the first 24hrs of people playing. That has not been the case with Inferno. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Are you on crack? All the systems i mission out of have usually 25 players. now there are over 100... I want some of what youre smoking... And seriously... making a bot takes no longer that a couple minutes... I have dealt with macros for about 5 years.. Hell it's almost as fun designing macros as it is playing the game. I would never use a bot cause I don't mine but if I did. I'm quite sure I could make a bot in less than 5 mins. |
Dethbringer1
NoWar4Me
8
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:54:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Malice Redeemer wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL
Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it. When we open a how to bot subforum or maybe "All about bots" chat then you'll be welcome to do so. As it stands it's discussing activities which violate the EULA and are therefore not welcome here.
lol all you got to do is a search on bots. You can't censor google yahoo bing whatever. Seriously. Bots is too revealing lol. You can find out about bots by types tons of different things in search engines. No way you can hide info. CCP just needs to ban accounts that go afk. Honestly you can afk missions in a tanked dominix so whats the big difference with afk mining. Maybe ccp should take a hint from runescape. Attack players every 5 mins to make sure they are not botting. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:59:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:BTW if you do not think this hasn't had a huge impact on botting ops...go check out the server status. Since the release of Inferno, server numbers have literally been cut in half. A new patch generally sees a uptick the first 24hrs of people playing. That has not been the case with Inferno. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Or probably because of the window opening windows you can't use because of range and more useless windows making you hate your mouse?
Played 15min today, was a little better than yesterday but still click fest and I can't stand this, so indirectly you say I'm a bot? |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:00:00 -
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Dethbringer1 wrote: You can't censor google yahoo bing whatever. Yep, but there's nothing that says CCP has to host that content.
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Ayn Randy
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
8
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:01:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:adam smash wrote:Should make it easier TBH Don't think so. Bots thrive on predictability, and thew new UI gives just that. It puts every container into a nice list in a window that is always the same size and same spot. It provides convenient access (for bots, which don't care about massive amounts of clicking and hotkeys) to the inventory.
So wait, the new system makes everything nice, listed, same size, same spot, convenient access... whats everyone giving out about? |
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ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
95
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:01:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:When we open a how to bot subforum or maybe "All about bots" chat then you'll be welcome to do so. As it stands it's discussing activities which violate the EULA and are therefore not welcome here. Thread locked. ISD Grossvogel (ISD -ô-Ç-+-ü-ü-ä-+-¦-¦-+-î) Captain, Community Communication Liaisons (CCL) -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department |
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