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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.19 22:53:00 -
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This will only encourage players to reverse-engineer the network protocol and set up fake servers that the game clients can connect to.
After all, for a single-player game, the network protocol can't be that complex, since the relevant game data that has to be transmitted between the client and server is ... like ... zero?
Ever wondered why China has the most and the best hackers in the world?
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.20 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Anyura Was C&C 2 the last one to be DRM free?
Tiberium Sun wasn't DRM free, it used an early version of SecuROM. Nowhere near as invasive as the recent version, it was just a disc-check, but still technically DRM.
Most games with disc-checks use some version of SecuROM or Tages, but generally not the version that covertly installs itself onto your system like a piece of Malware and can mess things up. You had StarForce for that back in the day.
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Wolfie276
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Posted - 2009.07.20 09:00:00 -
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just gotta hate EA, they do NOTHING but ruining old classic fun westwood games, and STILL they do think that making tons of DRMs will help them more than making good games? :|
oh well, at least we got blizzard still here
the no LAN thing on Starcraft II i wouldn't worry too much about, considering quality of Starcraft im definately buying SC2
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.20 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
I forgot to mention though...
By supporting piracy... you support terrorists.
because when i dont pay for something, all the money goes to terrorists.
The "anti pirate" campaign is too silly. They will never break it, so instead they try to punish the ones who actually buy it leagaly.
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.20 11:40:00 -
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If they would makes games cheaper and longer they'd sell more.
I don't buy stuff for 50Ç that only gives me 5 hours of fun (half life 2...)
In fact, I bet that if they reduce all game prices by half they'd have more profit than they have now.
+ EA sucks, their only purpose is to rip you off
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.20 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/07/2009 12:00:40
Originally by: Akita T Granted, you could probably argue that there are WoW private servers working on reverse-engineered server code, but I can bet they're seldom up-to-date with the latest official version.
You would be surprised.
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The war on "piracy" stopped being the war on "piracy" the minute they started the war on "privacy" and used "piracy" to justify invading peoples "privacy"
War on Privacy Go Go Go! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.20 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws If they would makes games cheaper and longer they'd sell more.
I don't buy stuff for 50Ç that only gives me 5 hours of fun (half life 2...)
In fact, I bet that if they reduce all game prices by half they'd have more profit than they have now.
+ EA sucks, their only purpose is to rip you off
There is the issue that many games a fortune to develop, if they started selling them at half the current price they would be more likely to make a loss. And to be fair in a <insert you local currency here> to hours entertainment comparison, games still compare favourably to films.
I think the biggest problem developers have with the internet affecting sales isn't piracy, it's the number of user reviews. If a game is rubbish (and a lot are) it gets outed very quickly, having a huge impact on sales.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 20/07/2009 16:08:20
Originally by: Kurfin There is the issue that many games a fortune to develop, if they started selling them at half the current price they would be more likely to make a loss. And to be fair in a <insert you local currency here> to hours entertainment comparison, games still compare favourably to films.
I think the biggest problem developers have with the internet affecting sales isn't piracy, it's the number of user reviews. If a game is rubbish (and a lot are) it gets outed very quickly, having a huge impact on sales.
This is why game developers stopped releasing demo's. They didn't want the public to know how horribly **** their games are. How many people would have bought GTA IV, knowing that it's nothing but a pile of uncoded ****e? How many people would have bought Sims 3 knowing that it won't run on Vista 64? How many people would buy any game knowing that it's so buggy you can barely play it, let alone finish it?
Also why do you think game developers are invading our privacy with rootkit software such as DRM, Securom and net logins? They intend to sell your user information to advertising companies or use it to directly promote their own products. Once again the losers are those who buy these games, winners are those who download them illigally.
I don't see these kind of downloads as illigal, I see them as a replacement for Demo's. Don't want to release demo's? Fine, we'll do things differently and better. However, if the game is worth buying then buy it, but don't buy it just to try it. I, for one, loved COD IV so much that I bought two copies, one for myself and one for my daughter. Thinking COD V would be just as good I bought it and have regretted that decision. GTA IV is the same, I am not buying any more titles from Rockstar. They ruined the GTA series and can now burn in hell for it. But there're so many games that just aren't worth playing if they were given out for free it's staggering.
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Glarion Garnier
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:49:00 -
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So some ppl still get shafted by EA... it like walking to a wall in bright day light and repeating it after the first try because integrity / standards / values are foreing consepts. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:17:00 -
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This is why game developers stopped releasing demo's. They didn't want the public to know how horribly **** their games are. How many people would have bought GTA IV, knowing that it's nothing but a pile of uncoded ****e? How many people would have bought Sims 3 knowing that it won't run on Vista 64? How many people would buy any game knowing that it's so buggy you can barely play it, let alone finish it?
Also why do you think game developers are invading our privacy with rootkit software such as DRM, Securom and net logins? They intend to sell your user information to advertising companies or use it to directly promote their own products. Once again the losers are those who buy these games, winners are those who download them illigally.
I don't see these kind of downloads as illigal, I see them as a replacement for Demo's. Don't want to release demo's? Fine, we'll do things differently and better. However, if the game is worth buying then buy it, but don't buy it just to try it. I, for one, loved COD IV so much that I bought two copies, one for myself and one for my daughter. Thinking COD V would be just as good I bought it and have regretted that decision. GTA IV is the same, I am not buying any more titles from Rockstar. They ruined the GTA series and can now burn in hell for it. But there're so many games that just aren't worth playing if they were given out for free it's staggering.
I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
They could have bothered optimising the game a bit, rather than releasing a piece of software that looks like it was made 5 years ago, but demands hardware that barely exists to run at full settings.
Crysis at least gave you eye-candy if you possessed the hardware needed to turn things up, GTA4 doesn't. That is GTA's big glowing weak spot, it looks like **** but demands prodigious amounts of power to run even half decently.
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Steve Cain
Guardians of the Void Irano Research Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
How kind of them. Too bad for all those people who dont have internet access... for example people living on SHIPS; fisherman, navy, etc.
Huh, it never occured to me that fishermen might want to play Command and Conquer, you learn something new every day I suppose.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Kurfin I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
They could have bothered optimising the game a bit, rather than releasing a piece of software that looks like it was made 5 years ago, but demands hardware that barely exists to run at full settings.
Crysis at least gave you eye-candy if you possessed the hardware needed to turn things up, GTA4 doesn't. That is GTA's big glowing weak spot, it looks like **** but demands prodigious amounts of power to run even half decently.
Whilst it could have been optimized better, because of the draw distances in GTA4 mean it would still take a lot of power to deliver average graphics anyway. Not to mention all the other things going on around you all the time to help give the impression of a living breathing city. A, by comparison sterile, FPS where you can't see for miles is always going to be able to give you better graphics on the same hardware as a GTA type game.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Kurfin I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
They could have bothered optimising the game a bit, rather than releasing a piece of software that looks like it was made 5 years ago, but demands hardware that barely exists to run at full settings.
Crysis at least gave you eye-candy if you possessed the hardware needed to turn things up, GTA4 doesn't. That is GTA's big glowing weak spot, it looks like **** but demands prodigious amounts of power to run even half decently.
Whilst it could have been optimized better, because of the draw distances in GTA4 mean it would still take a lot of power to deliver average graphics anyway. Not to mention all the other things going on around you all the time to help give the impression of a living breathing city. A, by comparison sterile, FPS where you can't see for miles is always going to be able to give you better graphics on the same hardware as a GTA type game.
I suggest you compare shots of GTA4 running at 720p on an Xbox360 to GTA4 running on a mid-range gaming PC at a similar resolution. (say 1280x1024 or 1440x900) The gaming PC has a ton more power than that xbox does, but it'll barely run the game at more than lowest settings while the xbox version looks a lot better despite being vastly inferior in terms of power.
That simply smells like extremely bad optimising (which should be easy, xbox and PC are practically the same as it is) or deliberate crippling of the game.
To be honest, my guess is the latter, since Rockstar Social Club and Windows Live (and Steam if applicable) all being required to run isn't exactly consumer friendly either.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Heavy Influence Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:52:00 -
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Hooray for Rapidshare!
Until that gets hit by the suits. ________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries. |
Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.21 16:11:00 -
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What really gets me is that a lot of people will probably buy the game anyways, simply because of the EA tag or the C&C one.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 21/07/2009 17:25:50
Originally by: Meiyang Lee I suggest you compare shots of GTA4 running at 720p on an Xbox360 to GTA4 running on a mid-range gaming PC at a similar resolution. (say 1280x1024 or 1440x900) The gaming PC has a ton more power than that xbox does, but it'll barely run the game at more than lowest settings while the xbox version looks a lot better despite being vastly inferior in terms of power.
That simply smells like extremely bad optimising (which should be easy, xbox and PC are practically the same as it is) or deliberate crippling of the game.
To be honest, my guess is the latter, since Rockstar Social Club and Windows Live (and Steam if applicable) all being required to run isn't exactly consumer friendly either.
Unoptimised doesn't come close to the mess that is this game. At max settings the game is very pretty but the coding is as shoddy as Crysis, so no computer will be able to run this.
I actually got bored of the game untill I found a certain aspect that was so good it's actually the only reason why I still have it installed. I won't mention what it is but I will just say that they never, ever have enough money on them and always have police protection.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Cain
Originally by: Jason Edwards
How kind of them. Too bad for all those people who dont have internet access... for example people living on SHIPS; fisherman, navy, etc.
Huh, it never occured to me that fishermen might want to play Command and Conquer, you learn something new every day I suppose.
Well, to be honest, I know a couple of Croat fishermen that actually play PC games on their laptops , they only touch land for like a week before going back into their ship. Commercial Fishing is not a guy in a small paddle boat with a straw hat drinking beer
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Trimar Vran
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Trimar Vran on 21/07/2009 21:40:31 I'm wondering how many people will actually play this game while not having access to the internet. The kind of people who are going to be playing this game are bound to have internet access and if its vital for you to be able to play computer games while on the move I'm afriad that there is something wrong with you mentally since its not normal to be that fixated on gaming.
As usual those who abide by the law (Fishermen highlighted by the previous poster for example) have these kind of unfair impositions placed on them while companies attempt to curtail the actions of those who have no regard to law or simple ownership right. I find it somewhat ironic that some of the loudest complainers are those individuals whose actions contributed to the situation getting to this point. In the end blame lies primarily with those who pirate as far as I'm concerned.
I guess its just human nature for some people to be theieving s****who don't have any sense of right or wrong. As the OP pointed out people will find a way around it and that just gives EA an inentive to highten controls on their products but it seems many are incapable of understanding this simple cause and effect. No doubt they'll try and reverse this arguement by claiming that it began with the corporations but its a pretty hollow arguement given that it essentially comes down to stealing what you want because you can't be bothered paying for it.
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Trimar Vran Edited by: Trimar Vran on 21/07/2009 21:40:31 I'm wondering how many people will actually play this game while not having access to the internet. The kind of people who are going to be playing this game are bound to have internet access and if its vital for you to be able to play computer games while on the move I'm afriad that there is something wrong with you mentally since its not normal to be that fixated on gaming.
As usual those who abide by the law (Fishermen highlighted by the previous poster for example) have these kind of unfair impositions placed on them while companies attempt to curtail the actions of those who have no regard to law or simple ownership right. I find it somewhat ironic that some of the loudest complainers are those individuals whose actions contributed to the situation getting to this point. In the end blame lies primarily with those who pirate as far as I'm concerned.
I guess its just human nature for some people to be theieving s****who don't have any sense of right or wrong. As the OP pointed out people will find a way around it and that just gives EA an inentive to highten controls on their products but it seems many are incapable of understanding this simple cause and effect. No doubt they'll try and reverse this arguement by claiming that it began with the corporations but its a pretty hollow arguement given that it essentially comes down to stealing what you want because you can't be bothered paying for it.
Or people whos connection is down for what ever reasonm even people like me who will not buy this game becuase of this no offline playing in single player? then feck right off.
Or you could just be a toal judgemental ****... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:01:00 -
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I pretty much refuse to purchase anything from EA anymore...Comcast cut my internet for no reason a few months ago and I had to wait almost 2 weeks for them to come out and fix their mistake (which I didn't find out it was their mistake until the tech showed up and told me). I tried to play Crysis and found out that it wasn't going to let me unless I had an internet connection.
I pretty much will be either buying from Direct 2 Drive or on CD/DVD from now on.
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