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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:28:00 -
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/07/forced-to-connect-eas-cc-4-requires-always-on-internet.ars
Command and Conquer 4 will require gamers to have an active Internet connection at all times, even when playing a single-player campaign. EA says not to worry, but gamers wanting to play on the go are sure to be annoyed.
"As of right now, you need to be online all the time to play C&C 4. This is primarily due to our 'player progression' feature so everything can be tracked. C&C 4 is not an MMO in the sense of World of Warcraft, but conceptually it has similar principles for being online all the time," Community Leader APOC wrote."
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If you're already enraged, don't be. We're assured that this is no big deal. "While some may be taken aback by this, we've been testing this feature internally with all of our world-wide markets," APOC continued. "We wanted to make sure it wouldn't take away any significant market or territory from playing the game. We have not found or seen any results that have made us think otherwise." You won't need a broadband connection, in fact you'll be able to use a dial-up connection to get the game to play.
How kind of them. Too bad for all those people who dont have internet access... for example people living on SHIPS; fisherman, navy, etc.
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment. _______________________ with a name as trustworthy as mine, i cant POSSIBLY be an alt
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails <-- this is your brain on boosters
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
I forgot to mention though...
By supporting piracy... you support terrorists. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
I forgot to mention though...
By supporting piracy... you support terrorists.
because when i dont pay for something, all the money goes to terrorists. _______________________ with a name as trustworthy as mine, i cant POSSIBLY be an alt
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails <-- this is your brain on boosters
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:05:00 -
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The more you tighten your grip EA, the more game systems will slip through your fingers
Did they not learn anything from SPORE? and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen The more you tighten your grip EA, the more game systems will slip through your fingers
Did they not learn anything from SPORE?
My theory is that they figure they can make more money by sueing everyone.
Afterall...
Itunes = 1$ per song Minnesota Court = 80,000$ per song. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
I forgot to mention though...
By supporting piracy... you support terrorists.
because when i dont pay for something, all the money goes to terrorists.
I find this a convincing argument. Please protect me from terrorists, EA!
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Planet Roqa
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
lmfao :P
C&C is so **** now who'd want to pirate it
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MooKids
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.18 23:01:00 -
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At least Steam has an offline mode. Maybe if EA spent more time on making GOOD games instead of DRM, they wouldn't need DRM. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
hired goon
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Posted - 2009.07.18 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids At least Steam has an offline mode. Maybe if EA spent more time on making GOOD games instead of DRM, they wouldn't need DRM.
Or maybe if they stopped wasting time making crap games and spent it on making amazing DRM, they could just sell the DRM to us in a box by itself. I reckon that's what'll happen next. -omg-
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.18 23:50:00 -
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so what if your connection drops in the middle of a game?
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.07.19 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake so what if your connection drops in the middle of a game?
You must be a pirate then... after all everyone's connection is solid unless you are downloading illegal games and movies.
Thusly DRM locks you out of your game. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.19 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids At least Steam has an offline mode. Maybe if EA spent more time on making GOOD games instead of DRM, they wouldn't need DRM.
They do make good games, very very few of them, and they ruin several more than they make, but you know, they make some very solid games.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.19 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Ivana Drake so what if your connection drops in the middle of a game?
You must be a pirate then... after all everyone's connection is solid unless you are downloading illegal games and movies.
Thusly DRM locks you out of your game.
Always thinking of new ways to make me not pay for their games
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Hezbe Allah
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Posted - 2009.07.19 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hezbe Allah on 19/07/2009 03:29:39
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
I forgot to mention though...
By supporting piracy... you support terrorists.
I have never seen a penny of this money, someone is running off the money I was going to spend on belly dancers!!
I declare Jihad on all the terrorists who dare touch my money!
Buying EA games is supporting terrorism.
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Kyguard
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.19 03:31:00 -
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That is borderline more stupid than.. EA -
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.07.19 04:54:00 -
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You know, as a guy that lives in practically Pirate City , (bleh, you can even buy pirated people here too ) , I don't know why EA, believes that this anally knee jerk reaction to piracy is going to solve its problems of "lost revenue".
I usually, without shame have pirated perhaps a good share of games over the years, but those I find good and solid I buy , no excuse, but down here, you can get anything 10000 times cheaper, so it's a matter of choice for me.
But I'm one against thousands. Making DRM crap that EVENTUALLY gets broken/cracked it's a futile attempt to seal the leaking dam with a small plastic patch.
I haven't seen ANY SINGLE GAME ever, no matter how good their DRM, being left untouched by the ravages of people that due to tenacity/boredom/monetary gain or simply cuz they can, can and WILL break/crack it.
The only way to have a true DRM is to make every game come with a real person attached to it that watches you.
I know people here that work downtown that can WTFBBQPWN any kind of thing that has a circuit board/chips/silicate on it, and they barely even made it pass High school.
They sell pirated DVD's that are crystal clear HI Q Blu Ray even with phony menus and options, they even have the decency to blur out "FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION/PROPERTY OF XXXX BIG HOLLYWOOD STUDIO NOT FOR RESALE" messages that pop sometimes on the movies, and a couple weeks later they get the regular movie with official menus and without the messages with full dolby digital surround sound and as many languages as you need.
They ModChip any XBox/PS3/Wii to play practically any crap you can insert on them, and they usually come preloaded or with bonus **** Dvd's.
I mean, I don't even want to think what they can do In taiwan/china where they even fake cars and that's old news.
Bleh, we can pirate people here, they prolly pirate SOULS there already.
DRM is the tool of the ignorant CEO or Company Division that believes oppresion is the key to maintaining its hold.
Like someone said earlier, it only hurts legal users.
I could even live with a Steam like Offline mode, but this is just too much
How long till fake server mods emulate EA's online signal to the game?
They were doing that in the era of Zmud back in the day, what are they thinking?
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.07.19 06:59:00 -
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So, the internal testers that work for EA don't have any objections
<sarcasm> Surprising </sarcasm>
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.19 07:32:00 -
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EA is probably going to install some sort of background 'folding@home' type of proggy with the new cnc4 to do research on the sly and make even moar money using thier customers computers as distibuted computational nodes.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.19 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba EA is probably going to install some sort of background 'folding@home' type of proggy with the new cnc4 to do research on the sly and make even moar money using thier customers computers as distibuted computational nodes.
If that's all it does I think you'll have to be grateful. Creating this "MMO-type connection required" single player game allows them install quite a neat bit of Spyware, as well as provide a nice security leak for malware to use. EA isn't exactly known for quick responses to bugs and issues, any security weakness in that addition to C&C is going to have months to be abused before (and if) it's finally fixed.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.19 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: MooKids At least Steam has an offline mode. Maybe if EA spent more time on making GOOD games instead of DRM, they wouldn't need DRM.
They do make good games, very very few of them, and they ruin several more than they make, but you know, they make some very solid games.
I can't think of a decent EA game that wasn't almost finished before EA bought the original developer, or in a few cases produced by one of their acquired studios before they sacked them all.
EA are good at the mass market games that are aimed at casual gamers, and extracting the most money possible from them (for example all the expansion packs for the sims and the sports games they re-release every year). They try to break into the more hardcore market by buying up the developers of the games/franchises we love, but then get rid of the developers as a cost cutting exercise and then don't know what to do with the rights they bought. Either they do nothing, or release a really bad sequel. EA games are possibly the worst thing to happen to gaming in it so far short life.
The only thing worrying about their highly restrictive DRM is that other developers may follow.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.19 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco You know, as a guy that lives in practically Pirate City , (bleh, you can even buy pirated people here too ) , I don't know why EA, believes that this anally knee jerk reaction to piracy is going to solve its problems of "lost revenue".
I usually, without shame have pirated perhaps a good share of games over the years, but those I find good and solid I buy , no excuse, but down here, you can get anything 10000 times cheaper, so it's a matter of choice for me.
But I'm one against thousands. Making DRM crap that EVENTUALLY gets broken/cracked it's a futile attempt to seal the leaking dam with a small plastic patch.
I haven't seen ANY SINGLE GAME ever, no matter how good their DRM, being left untouched by the ravages of people that due to tenacity/boredom/monetary gain or simply cuz they can, can and WILL break/crack it.
The only way to have a true DRM is to make every game come with a real person attached to it that watches you.
I know people here that work downtown that can WTFBBQPWN any kind of thing that has a circuit board/chips/silicate on it, and they barely even made it pass High school.
They sell pirated DVD's that are crystal clear HI Q Blu Ray even with phony menus and options, they even have the decency to blur out "FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION/PROPERTY OF XXXX BIG HOLLYWOOD STUDIO NOT FOR RESALE" messages that pop sometimes on the movies, and a couple weeks later they get the regular movie with official menus and without the messages with full dolby digital surround sound and as many languages as you need.
They ModChip any XBox/PS3/Wii to play practically any crap you can insert on them, and they usually come preloaded or with bonus **** Dvd's.
I mean, I don't even want to think what they can do In taiwan/china where they even fake cars and that's old news.
Bleh, we can pirate people here, they prolly pirate SOULS there already.
DRM is the tool of the ignorant CEO or Company Division that believes oppresion is the key to maintaining its hold.
Like someone said earlier, it only hurts legal users.
I could even live with a Steam like Offline mode, but this is just too much
How long till fake server mods emulate EA's online signal to the game?
They were doing that in the era of Zmud back in the day, what are they thinking?
Wei, ni hao?
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.07.19 11:38:00 -
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I loled. People still buy EA games? ...that's just silly.
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:39:00 -
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EA can go **** itself, I havent bought a product if theirs since the original Command & Conquer, in times there was still a measure of respect for the customer, as opposed to a blatant forgerer.
I like to actually buy most of my gaming entertainment, except for those titles that insult you for being a thief before playing the actual thing, which comes to roughly 90% of stuff you buy. I return these and subsequently pirate them for good measure. -----
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:59:00 -
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C&C 1 was by Westwood, not EA.
I miss Westwood Chat :|
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.19 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper The only way to have a true DRM is to make every game come with a real person attached to it that watches you.
Or, have none of the game logic client-side, while constantly changing the server-side code. Can you say "EVE Online" ? Or just about any MMO ?
Granted, you could probably argue that there are WoW private servers working on reverse-engineered server code, but I can bet they're seldom up-to-date with the latest official version... and EVE averts this even more by making it pointless to even try to have a private server (what would be the point, heh).
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.19 15:26:00 -
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Someone should go talk with the EA CEO and tell them how the average gamer views them.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.19 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Someone should go talk with the EA CEO and tell them how the average gamer views them.
Actually, I'm more curious how their marketing department manages to spin all this negative response (which is bound to show up in their market-research) into something positive for the board. Those people must be really good to conceal the fact that most gamers hate the company's guts from the directors.
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.07.19 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu C&C 1 was by Westwood, not EA.
I miss Westwood Chat :|
Hell yeah!.
Westwood Studios was grand.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Anyura
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Posted - 2009.07.19 22:25:00 -
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Westwood gave us Dune 2.
For that they will always have a special place in my heart. EA, on the other hand, will always have a special place on the end of my boot.
Was C&C 2 the last one to be DRM free?
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.19 22:53:00 -
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This will only encourage players to reverse-engineer the network protocol and set up fake servers that the game clients can connect to.
After all, for a single-player game, the network protocol can't be that complex, since the relevant game data that has to be transmitted between the client and server is ... like ... zero?
Ever wondered why China has the most and the best hackers in the world?
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.20 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Anyura Was C&C 2 the last one to be DRM free?
Tiberium Sun wasn't DRM free, it used an early version of SecuROM. Nowhere near as invasive as the recent version, it was just a disc-check, but still technically DRM.
Most games with disc-checks use some version of SecuROM or Tages, but generally not the version that covertly installs itself onto your system like a piece of Malware and can mess things up. You had StarForce for that back in the day.
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Wolfie276
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Posted - 2009.07.20 09:00:00 -
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just gotta hate EA, they do NOTHING but ruining old classic fun westwood games, and STILL they do think that making tons of DRMs will help them more than making good games? :|
oh well, at least we got blizzard still here
the no LAN thing on Starcraft II i wouldn't worry too much about, considering quality of Starcraft im definately buying SC2
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.20 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Dont worry. You will be able to pirate a copy and not have to deal with this DRM. Like usual DRM only hurts the legal people.
whew, i was worried for a moment.
I forgot to mention though...
By supporting piracy... you support terrorists.
because when i dont pay for something, all the money goes to terrorists.
The "anti pirate" campaign is too silly. They will never break it, so instead they try to punish the ones who actually buy it leagaly.
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.20 11:40:00 -
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If they would makes games cheaper and longer they'd sell more.
I don't buy stuff for 50Ç that only gives me 5 hours of fun (half life 2...)
In fact, I bet that if they reduce all game prices by half they'd have more profit than they have now.
+ EA sucks, their only purpose is to rip you off
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.20 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/07/2009 12:00:40
Originally by: Akita T Granted, you could probably argue that there are WoW private servers working on reverse-engineered server code, but I can bet they're seldom up-to-date with the latest official version.
You would be surprised.
Edit:
The war on "piracy" stopped being the war on "piracy" the minute they started the war on "privacy" and used "piracy" to justify invading peoples "privacy"
War on Privacy Go Go Go! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.20 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws If they would makes games cheaper and longer they'd sell more.
I don't buy stuff for 50Ç that only gives me 5 hours of fun (half life 2...)
In fact, I bet that if they reduce all game prices by half they'd have more profit than they have now.
+ EA sucks, their only purpose is to rip you off
There is the issue that many games a fortune to develop, if they started selling them at half the current price they would be more likely to make a loss. And to be fair in a <insert you local currency here> to hours entertainment comparison, games still compare favourably to films.
I think the biggest problem developers have with the internet affecting sales isn't piracy, it's the number of user reviews. If a game is rubbish (and a lot are) it gets outed very quickly, having a huge impact on sales.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 20/07/2009 16:08:20
Originally by: Kurfin There is the issue that many games a fortune to develop, if they started selling them at half the current price they would be more likely to make a loss. And to be fair in a <insert you local currency here> to hours entertainment comparison, games still compare favourably to films.
I think the biggest problem developers have with the internet affecting sales isn't piracy, it's the number of user reviews. If a game is rubbish (and a lot are) it gets outed very quickly, having a huge impact on sales.
This is why game developers stopped releasing demo's. They didn't want the public to know how horribly **** their games are. How many people would have bought GTA IV, knowing that it's nothing but a pile of uncoded ****e? How many people would have bought Sims 3 knowing that it won't run on Vista 64? How many people would buy any game knowing that it's so buggy you can barely play it, let alone finish it?
Also why do you think game developers are invading our privacy with rootkit software such as DRM, Securom and net logins? They intend to sell your user information to advertising companies or use it to directly promote their own products. Once again the losers are those who buy these games, winners are those who download them illigally.
I don't see these kind of downloads as illigal, I see them as a replacement for Demo's. Don't want to release demo's? Fine, we'll do things differently and better. However, if the game is worth buying then buy it, but don't buy it just to try it. I, for one, loved COD IV so much that I bought two copies, one for myself and one for my daughter. Thinking COD V would be just as good I bought it and have regretted that decision. GTA IV is the same, I am not buying any more titles from Rockstar. They ruined the GTA series and can now burn in hell for it. But there're so many games that just aren't worth playing if they were given out for free it's staggering.
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Glarion Garnier
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:49:00 -
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So some ppl still get shafted by EA... it like walking to a wall in bright day light and repeating it after the first try because integrity / standards / values are foreing consepts. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:17:00 -
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This is why game developers stopped releasing demo's. They didn't want the public to know how horribly **** their games are. How many people would have bought GTA IV, knowing that it's nothing but a pile of uncoded ****e? How many people would have bought Sims 3 knowing that it won't run on Vista 64? How many people would buy any game knowing that it's so buggy you can barely play it, let alone finish it?
Also why do you think game developers are invading our privacy with rootkit software such as DRM, Securom and net logins? They intend to sell your user information to advertising companies or use it to directly promote their own products. Once again the losers are those who buy these games, winners are those who download them illigally.
I don't see these kind of downloads as illigal, I see them as a replacement for Demo's. Don't want to release demo's? Fine, we'll do things differently and better. However, if the game is worth buying then buy it, but don't buy it just to try it. I, for one, loved COD IV so much that I bought two copies, one for myself and one for my daughter. Thinking COD V would be just as good I bought it and have regretted that decision. GTA IV is the same, I am not buying any more titles from Rockstar. They ruined the GTA series and can now burn in hell for it. But there're so many games that just aren't worth playing if they were given out for free it's staggering.
I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
They could have bothered optimising the game a bit, rather than releasing a piece of software that looks like it was made 5 years ago, but demands hardware that barely exists to run at full settings.
Crysis at least gave you eye-candy if you possessed the hardware needed to turn things up, GTA4 doesn't. That is GTA's big glowing weak spot, it looks like **** but demands prodigious amounts of power to run even half decently.
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Steve Cain
Guardians of the Void Irano Research Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
How kind of them. Too bad for all those people who dont have internet access... for example people living on SHIPS; fisherman, navy, etc.
Huh, it never occured to me that fishermen might want to play Command and Conquer, you learn something new every day I suppose.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Kurfin I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
They could have bothered optimising the game a bit, rather than releasing a piece of software that looks like it was made 5 years ago, but demands hardware that barely exists to run at full settings.
Crysis at least gave you eye-candy if you possessed the hardware needed to turn things up, GTA4 doesn't. That is GTA's big glowing weak spot, it looks like **** but demands prodigious amounts of power to run even half decently.
Whilst it could have been optimized better, because of the draw distances in GTA4 mean it would still take a lot of power to deliver average graphics anyway. Not to mention all the other things going on around you all the time to help give the impression of a living breathing city. A, by comparison sterile, FPS where you can't see for miles is always going to be able to give you better graphics on the same hardware as a GTA type game.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Kurfin I rather like GTA4
To be fair to Rockstar they didn't just leave the game broken, they have now fixed a lot of the issues with the game which is more than some developers can be bothered to do. Of course it would have been nice if it was released onto the PC without a lot of the issues, but a game of GTA4's size and scope is never going to be completely bug free.
They could have bothered optimising the game a bit, rather than releasing a piece of software that looks like it was made 5 years ago, but demands hardware that barely exists to run at full settings.
Crysis at least gave you eye-candy if you possessed the hardware needed to turn things up, GTA4 doesn't. That is GTA's big glowing weak spot, it looks like **** but demands prodigious amounts of power to run even half decently.
Whilst it could have been optimized better, because of the draw distances in GTA4 mean it would still take a lot of power to deliver average graphics anyway. Not to mention all the other things going on around you all the time to help give the impression of a living breathing city. A, by comparison sterile, FPS where you can't see for miles is always going to be able to give you better graphics on the same hardware as a GTA type game.
I suggest you compare shots of GTA4 running at 720p on an Xbox360 to GTA4 running on a mid-range gaming PC at a similar resolution. (say 1280x1024 or 1440x900) The gaming PC has a ton more power than that xbox does, but it'll barely run the game at more than lowest settings while the xbox version looks a lot better despite being vastly inferior in terms of power.
That simply smells like extremely bad optimising (which should be easy, xbox and PC are practically the same as it is) or deliberate crippling of the game.
To be honest, my guess is the latter, since Rockstar Social Club and Windows Live (and Steam if applicable) all being required to run isn't exactly consumer friendly either.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Heavy Influence Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:52:00 -
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Hooray for Rapidshare!
Until that gets hit by the suits. ________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries. |
Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.21 16:11:00 -
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What really gets me is that a lot of people will probably buy the game anyways, simply because of the EA tag or the C&C one.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 21/07/2009 17:25:50
Originally by: Meiyang Lee I suggest you compare shots of GTA4 running at 720p on an Xbox360 to GTA4 running on a mid-range gaming PC at a similar resolution. (say 1280x1024 or 1440x900) The gaming PC has a ton more power than that xbox does, but it'll barely run the game at more than lowest settings while the xbox version looks a lot better despite being vastly inferior in terms of power.
That simply smells like extremely bad optimising (which should be easy, xbox and PC are practically the same as it is) or deliberate crippling of the game.
To be honest, my guess is the latter, since Rockstar Social Club and Windows Live (and Steam if applicable) all being required to run isn't exactly consumer friendly either.
Unoptimised doesn't come close to the mess that is this game. At max settings the game is very pretty but the coding is as shoddy as Crysis, so no computer will be able to run this.
I actually got bored of the game untill I found a certain aspect that was so good it's actually the only reason why I still have it installed. I won't mention what it is but I will just say that they never, ever have enough money on them and always have police protection.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Cain
Originally by: Jason Edwards
How kind of them. Too bad for all those people who dont have internet access... for example people living on SHIPS; fisherman, navy, etc.
Huh, it never occured to me that fishermen might want to play Command and Conquer, you learn something new every day I suppose.
Well, to be honest, I know a couple of Croat fishermen that actually play PC games on their laptops , they only touch land for like a week before going back into their ship. Commercial Fishing is not a guy in a small paddle boat with a straw hat drinking beer
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Trimar Vran
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Trimar Vran on 21/07/2009 21:40:31 I'm wondering how many people will actually play this game while not having access to the internet. The kind of people who are going to be playing this game are bound to have internet access and if its vital for you to be able to play computer games while on the move I'm afriad that there is something wrong with you mentally since its not normal to be that fixated on gaming.
As usual those who abide by the law (Fishermen highlighted by the previous poster for example) have these kind of unfair impositions placed on them while companies attempt to curtail the actions of those who have no regard to law or simple ownership right. I find it somewhat ironic that some of the loudest complainers are those individuals whose actions contributed to the situation getting to this point. In the end blame lies primarily with those who pirate as far as I'm concerned.
I guess its just human nature for some people to be theieving s****who don't have any sense of right or wrong. As the OP pointed out people will find a way around it and that just gives EA an inentive to highten controls on their products but it seems many are incapable of understanding this simple cause and effect. No doubt they'll try and reverse this arguement by claiming that it began with the corporations but its a pretty hollow arguement given that it essentially comes down to stealing what you want because you can't be bothered paying for it.
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Trimar Vran Edited by: Trimar Vran on 21/07/2009 21:40:31 I'm wondering how many people will actually play this game while not having access to the internet. The kind of people who are going to be playing this game are bound to have internet access and if its vital for you to be able to play computer games while on the move I'm afriad that there is something wrong with you mentally since its not normal to be that fixated on gaming.
As usual those who abide by the law (Fishermen highlighted by the previous poster for example) have these kind of unfair impositions placed on them while companies attempt to curtail the actions of those who have no regard to law or simple ownership right. I find it somewhat ironic that some of the loudest complainers are those individuals whose actions contributed to the situation getting to this point. In the end blame lies primarily with those who pirate as far as I'm concerned.
I guess its just human nature for some people to be theieving s****who don't have any sense of right or wrong. As the OP pointed out people will find a way around it and that just gives EA an inentive to highten controls on their products but it seems many are incapable of understanding this simple cause and effect. No doubt they'll try and reverse this arguement by claiming that it began with the corporations but its a pretty hollow arguement given that it essentially comes down to stealing what you want because you can't be bothered paying for it.
Or people whos connection is down for what ever reasonm even people like me who will not buy this game becuase of this no offline playing in single player? then feck right off.
Or you could just be a toal judgemental ****... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:01:00 -
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I pretty much refuse to purchase anything from EA anymore...Comcast cut my internet for no reason a few months ago and I had to wait almost 2 weeks for them to come out and fix their mistake (which I didn't find out it was their mistake until the tech showed up and told me). I tried to play Crysis and found out that it wasn't going to let me unless I had an internet connection.
I pretty much will be either buying from Direct 2 Drive or on CD/DVD from now on.
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