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ZombieFX
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:30:00 -
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I think the Warsystem should be changed.
The war costs are just a joke and a 100member corp (that exist for years) can declaim war on a 2 week old corp made out of 5 members...
Isnt it great?
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Esamir
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:32:00 -
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So how much would you charge this 100-member corp, to make it meaningful to them?
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Myleena
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:32:00 -
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I hear Hello Kitty Online is quite good.
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Kazuma Ry
Amarr Ebon Seraph
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:36:00 -
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I agree that the war system does need some changes (I just can't think of any), but usually when someone brings up the cost of it, I tend to stop reading.
If your going to start a topic about how something needs to be changed, at least do put it in the right section, with an idea on how it could be changed.
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Tai Akhenor
Minmatar 1st Tactical Assault Brigade
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:38:00 -
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Eve is a harsh, cold place. It is not meant to be an easy game and even though you may see the war system as broke others see it as working as intended. This is a sandbox and as such even if a 5 man corp gets dec'd by a 100 man corp there are still things the "victim" can do about it, like using their head, hire mercs or ask for help from other players.
Also a 5 member corp could war dec a 100+ man corp and still kick ass if they use their heads and think outside of the box. Many options available if people just think. --- 1st Tactical Assault Brigade --- |
Jazzmyn
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:54:00 -
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Didn't CCP state that when they get a chance they're going to change the war mechanics, to stop people abusing them. I'm relatively happy with the way they are, when at war your going to lose ship on either side, have fun, get some pew pew experience and before log when a war comes you'll be shelving the hulk and getting the shotgun out.
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar Infiniti Matar Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:03:00 -
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a couple of ideas ive had for the WarDec system (ok wrong place i know, but i didnt start the thread :P)
1 The Dec should include surrender conditions (Probably just an isk payment) This will be payable by the Dec'd corp if they surrender, or by the Dec'ing corp if they retract early (cos they bit off more then they could chew) 50% of this surrender fee should be added to the Dec Cost to stop people just putting eleventybillion isks in there
2 the cost of the Dec should be changed to something like Flat Fee + Surrented Fee(See Above)*(Decing Players/Dec'd players)
That way a large corp wanting to take on a small corp would have to pay more (deters greifing) but small corps decing big corps pay less (reward for being ballsy??)
By including the surrenter fee in all of this, for a big corp to minimise costs of decing a small corp the surrender fee would be small, and so the small corp could just surrender at minimal cost. also a 1 weekd delay in redec'ing would stop greifing but may be a step to far
asbestos underwear on...flame away :)
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:03:00 -
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don't you think the war dec system has gone through enough nerfs
support stop selling alliance tourney places post
Armoured C forum extraordinaire |
ZombieFX
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:15:00 -
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I will make soon a suggestion, just want see what u guys are thinking. (mish kala << u can add ur suggestions to mine)
100vs5 has nothing to do with hard or "know how" Young Player (corps) should all have the same chance and not get killed or make it - by luck - to be not a chosen target.
U have to think like them: u come in a game, ur looking around and first what u get is a absolut unfair and unstopebil war that blows you and ur friends in pieces...... yeah.
Thats the kind of games all ppl want to play and subscribe? I dont think so :)
<< gone in suggestion corner
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Lee Dalton
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:35:00 -
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War isn't fair. c/d? *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Dalton War isn't fair. c/d?
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war has never been fairer :P support stop selling alliance tourney places post
Armoured C forum extraordinaire [forum rank 82]
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: ZombieFX I think the Warsystem should be changed.
The war costs are just a joke and a 100member corp (that exist for years) can declaim war on a 2 week old corp made out of 5 members...
Isnt it great?
The problem isn't the cost of the wardec, it's idiots creating a corp that cant survive a wardec.
I'll lay it out for you: if you cant deal with some guys shooting at you for a week, you're not ready to have your own corp. Join a corp that is ready, get some experience and THEN form your own corp.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: ZombieFX I think the Warsystem should be changed.
The war costs are just a joke and a 100member corp (that exist for years) can declaim war on a 2 week old corp made out of 5 members...
Isnt it great?
The problem isn't the cost of the wardec, it's idiots creating a corp that cant survive a wardec.
I'll lay it out for you: if you cant deal with some guys shooting at you for a week, you're not ready to have your own corp. Join a corp that is ready, get some experience and THEN form your own corp.
this man knows what he is talking about support stop selling alliance tourney places post
Armoured C forum extraordinaire [forum rank 82]
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 23/07/2009 09:58:58 Simple fix;
War costs increase with larger member counts with exponential costs at 10, 20, 30...and again st 100.
Also added war costs depending on the difference % of the two corp member counts.
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Ghar Togal
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Posted - 2009.07.23 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ghar Togal on 23/07/2009 10:35:03 Simple solution? Corp A dec's on corp B The exact time CEO dec's the war the system adds up all of his member's skill points The resulting number is multiplied to an isk per sp factor and thats the cost to wardec.
example: my new uber awesome corp of just me and my alt wants to dec on a 100 member carebear corp the exact time i apply for the war the system adds my and my alt's skill points and the resulting number is around 100million skill points this number is multiplied to an isk/sp factor which determines the war cost the factor may be a) 0.005 => war cost 500k isk b) 0.1 => war cost 10m isk c) whatever CCP decides
weekly war renwal fee is of course recalculated based on the new sp points sum.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2009.07.23 10:56:00 -
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haven't had a wardec in over a year... Offcourse nobody would bother wardeccing a 1 man corp...
I'm a nice person, so i don't grief other players, but i did wonder what would happen if i declared on a small player corp... how long would i need before they would disband. ________________________________________________
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Cipher7
Slag Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:08:00 -
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Creating a corp should cost 1 billion isk.
If you can't even farm 1b you are not ready to run anything.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: ZombieFX I think the Warsystem should be changed.
The war costs are just a joke and a 100member corp (that exist for years) can declaim war on a 2 week old corp made out of 5 members...
Isnt it great?
I think it's a joke that a 4 year old miner can pull in millions of units of trit every hour, while a 1 week old PvP'er struggles to get a couple of thousand units of trit from loot. Therefore I think it would be great to make 10 million trit spawn in everyone's hangar every hour and remove mining from the game. This would make it more balanced.
Isn't it great?
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:42:00 -
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You need to think it more like an actual war then a dueling/tournament system, where the system tries to balance the engagement between the parties. It is fair in the only way a war can be. Everything goes and you are allowed to use every advantage you can get to bring ruin to the opposing side. If you can't handle the fighting, avoid engaging them, disband or join those that can handle it. The system needs some tweaks, but artificial balancing mechanics should never be added.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Creating a corp should cost 1 billion isk.
If you can't even farm 1b you are not ready to run anything.
It's not the ISK it costs but the ultra-low skillpoint requirement. |
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tai Akhenor Eve is a harsh, cold place. It is not meant to be an easy game and even though you may see the war system as broke others see it as working as intended. This is a sandbox and as such even if a 5 man corp gets dec'd by a 100 man corp there are still things the "victim" can do about it, like using their head, hire mercs or ask for help from other players.
Also a 5 member corp could war dec a 100+ man corp and still kick ass if they use their heads and think outside of the box. Many options available if people just think.
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ZombieFX
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: ZombieFX
The problem isn't the cost of the wardec, it's idiots creating a corp that cant survive a wardec.
I'll lay it out for you: if you cant deal with some guys shooting at you for a week, you're not ready to have your own corp. Join a corp that is ready, get some experience and THEN form your own corp.
ur pretty great. u should join the eve team and make it possible: if you die 1c - the game is OVER |
Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:40:00 -
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If you really are a bunch of newbies, dissolve corp and get everyone to rejoin a new corp.
If that one gets war decc'ed by the same people, petition for harassment (assuming you really are new players). Sadly it is ultimately at the discression of the GM if they buy this, but it is policy iirc to give warnings and take action against those who persist in harassing new players
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:53:00 -
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The wardec system does need an overhaul. But large corps deccing smallers or old corps deccing younger corps should not be made harder. All should be equal concerning CONCORD.
The short time solutions as proposed in this thread seem to be easy enough to implement to prevent (some) whining:
Originally by: Malcanis It's not the ISK it costs but the ultra-low skillpoint requirement.
More time.
Originally by: Cipher7 Creating a corp should cost 1 billion isk.
If you can't even farm 1b you are not ready to run anything.
ISK = time. OK, newb could sell GTCs, but it would be even more fun if they have to close it down. Would prevent corp hopping, to some extent, too.
Originally by: Malcanis I'll lay it out for you: if you cant deal with some guys shooting at you for a week, you're not ready to have your own corp. Join a corp that is ready, get some experience and THEN form your own corp.
Comon sense. Seems to be the easiest. But unfortunatelly CCP can't patch this into the players. |
Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Simple fix;
War costs increase with larger member counts with exponential costs at 10, 20, 30...and again st 100.
Also added war costs depending on the difference % of the two corp member counts.
It it means small outfits get to farm fat alliance for almost free I'm all for it.
Really I thought most wardecs were a small entity deccing a bigger one. |
Nemiron
Amarr Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
If you really are a bunch of newbies, dissolve corp and get everyone to rejoin a new corp.
If that one gets war decc'ed by the same people, petition for harassment (assuming you really are new players). Sadly it is ultimately at the discression of the GM if they buy this, but it is policy iirc to give warnings and take action against those who persist in harassing new players
Wrong. A GM stated that a corp is free to dissolve and found a new corp. But the deccing corp is well damn free to wardec the new corp, as well. I'll see if I can find the post. If you don't wanne get decced - don't form a corp. |
Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:07:00 -
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I was more getting at harassment of newbies but with the weapon being war deccing (rather like say baiting with jet cans or suicide ganking rookie ships in Amsen)
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Mr Sean
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
I was more getting at harassment of newbies but with the weapon being war deccing (rather like say baiting with jet cans or suicide ganking rookie ships in Amsen)
Well, the thread is about war deccing, not jet can harassing or suicide ganking noob buckets.
Try to keep up, okay? |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:51:00 -
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While I agree that wardeccing is a bit too easy right now, keep in mind that any artificial measures to protect the 'weaker' corporations may lead to exploitation of these mechanics by griefers, gankers and scammers and what not. |
Spurty
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 23/07/2009 16:31:08 Edited by: Spurty on 23/07/2009 16:30:28 meh, war mechanics look funny because people aren't used to surviving pvp when out numbered.
Keep moving, small 5 man corp should be able to up and move many jumps away from where the war dec'ing corp hangs around in the 24hour grace period.
Larger the corp, less likely the members are to want to want to do 50 jumps to find something to kill.
Take privateers, they appear to have the following logic to their war dec mechanics:
A) Someone posts that a corp is moving, so lots of possibly frieghters AFK'ing through high sec to pwn
B) They spot a corp that has a TON of faction fitted mission running ships less than 20 jumps from JITA
C) they see the same faces in JITA hauling expensive stuff around
This is not me trolling them, all of the above are signs of intelligence :-)
What bothers me about people trolling war decs is that they don't realize how easy they are to avoid if you can't fight back.
Employ brains first, then hitch up your skirts and run to a back end system thats a pain to get to from the Juicy Jita / Mission hubs and keep your eyes peeled to Local.
You should be fine if your corp logs in more than once a week / actually reads corp mails, doesn't have a twit in command deleting concord mails. |
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