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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
559
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:17:00 -
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EVE keeps you playing because it lets you build yourself up only to be broken back down again later. Asset destruction, generally involuntary, is the heart and soul of this game.
But since you don't believe me, remember that game Freelancer? Not an MMO, although a lot of mods** are played actively in multiplayer in MMO-like environments.
In Freelancer when you die, you merely respawn with your ship and equipment in the last place you docked. Even in multiplayer! In fact, some servers didn't even take your cargo when you died meaning there is literally no loss except the 5 minutes of travel time!
Many servers (vanilla and modded) have either no pvp at all or, more commonly, pvp only after roleplay. This means that if you want to violence someone's boat you had to spend time roleplaying a pirate instead of just blapping them EVE style. This seems to be a carebear dream come true, since properly selecting your roleplay identity can keep you out of quite a bit of trouble. A common strategy is to spend 15 minutes roleplaying with the pirate while you're in a private convo with someone roleplaying a local police officer (who happens to fly a blapfit battleship) to come save you.
In this carebear friendly world, they must surely never complain right?
On the contrary, many servers put EVE carebear entitlement to shame. Ever think these forums are bad? Go to a freelancer roleplaying mod's official forum and you will see a new level of carebearism. Even though there is practically nothing lost from dying, and you can only be killed after proper roleplay ("engaging!", "2 mill or die" and "halt!" are not proper roleplay) people still manage to complain about there being too much risk!
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
No matter what you do, you cannot appease them. Freelancer and its various mods are fun and I still play online, but EVE is a completely different animal. I could enjoy a more EVE-like Freelancer, but never a more Freelancer-like EVE.
**MOD is the operative word here. People got bored and tired of grinding the same missions and asteroids and trade routes for the same ships and equipment and quit playing. So to solve this problem the universe gets repeatedly expanded and redone so you can grind a different set of things for a while until you max out there too.
I spend time on Discovery Freelancer under various characters. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:24:00 -
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uber 1337 "pirates" are wolves. carebears are deer. wolves eat exclusively deer. wolves overhunt the deer, remaining deer flee. wolves rejoice. wolves starve |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
559
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:26:00 -
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Stan Smith wrote:uber 1337 "pirates" are wolves. carebears are deer. wolves eat exclusively deer. wolves overhunt the deer, remaining deer flee. wolves rejoice. wolves starve
Bull. Even in Disco Freelancer everyone has a metric ton of alts for everything from carebearing to their l33t pvp character. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1068
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:26:00 -
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Eve should be limited to 32-bit wallet numbers. Maximum 4.2 bil ISK for the win. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:27:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
ROTFL
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
308
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:29:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Many servers (vanilla and modded) have either no pvp at all or, more commonly, pvp only after roleplay. This means that if you want to violence someone's boat you had to spend time roleplaying a pirate instead of just blapping them EVE style. This seems to be a carebear dream come true, since properly selecting your roleplay identity can keep you out of quite a bit of trouble. A common strategy is to spend 15 minutes roleplaying with the pirate while you're in a private convo with someone roleplaying a local police officer (who happens to fly a blapfit battleship) to come save you. I'm amazed you even bother to play such a terrible game. Nothing Found |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:30:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
ROTFL
It's true. Special plugins for FLHook have been written using DLL hacks that allow you to "bank" money (remove it from your wallet and move it to a special text file for safe keeping) to break the limit. |
Ituhata Saken
Elysium Enterprises
86
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:30:00 -
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Cows go "Moo!", dogs go "Woof!", MMO Players go "The PvP is Unbalanced!" ~Yahtzee.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:32:00 -
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The ironic thing is that between "save the hellcats," "carebears are too entitled," and recently "inferno isn't awesome anymore" masternerdguy complains more than I do yet I'm about as carebear as they come. |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:33:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:I'm amazed you even bother to play such a terrible game.
Freelancer itself is an awesome game.
The multiplayer... meh, the few times I've tried it, I kept thinking I could be making real spacemoney on a real game of Internet Spaceships instead. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
216
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:34:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:EVE keeps you playing because it lets you build yourself up only to be broken back down again later. Asset destruction, generally involuntary, is the heart and soul of this game.
But since you don't believe me, remember that game Freelancer? Not an MMO, although a lot of mods** are played actively in multiplayer in MMO-like environments.
In Freelancer when you die, you merely respawn with your ship and equipment in the last place you docked. Even in multiplayer! In fact, some servers didn't even take your cargo when you died meaning there is literally no loss except the 5 minutes of travel time!
Many servers (vanilla and modded) have either no pvp at all or, more commonly, pvp only after roleplay. This means that if you want to violence someone's boat you had to spend time roleplaying a pirate instead of just blapping them EVE style. This seems to be a carebear dream come true, since properly selecting your roleplay identity can keep you out of quite a bit of trouble. A common strategy is to spend 15 minutes roleplaying with the pirate while you're in a private convo with someone roleplaying a local police officer (who happens to fly a blapfit battleship) to come save you.
In this carebear friendly world, they must surely never complain right?
On the contrary, many servers put EVE carebear entitlement to shame. Ever think these forums are bad? Go to a freelancer roleplaying mod's official forum and you will see a new level of carebearism. Even though there is practically nothing lost from dying, and you can only be killed after proper roleplay ("engaging!", "2 mill or die" and "halt!" are not proper roleplay) people still manage to complain about there being too much risk!
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
No matter what you do, you cannot appease them. Freelancer and its various mods are fun and I still play online, but EVE is a completely different animal. I could enjoy a more EVE-like Freelancer, but never a more Freelancer-like EVE.
**MOD is the operative word here. People got bored and tired of grinding the same missions and asteroids and trade routes for the same ships and equipment and quit playing. So to solve this problem the universe gets repeatedly expanded and redone so you can grind a different set of things for a while until you max out there too.
I spend time on Discovery Freelancer under various characters.
Oh dear, another carebear thread. You want fries with that? |
Mijano
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:37:00 -
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I lost interest in your post about halfway through. Ever considered a job as a math teacher? You're about as boring, uninteresting and unoriginal as they come. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
869
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:38:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore. That's hilarious. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Maledictum Aideron
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:39:00 -
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Poasting in yet another terrible thread by amatuertrollguy. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
308
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:39:00 -
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Mina Hiragi wrote:Freelancer itself is an awesome game. The multiplayer... meh, the few times I've tried it, I kept thinking I could be making real spacemoney on a real game of Internet Spaceships instead. Oh sure, I love Privateer and Vega Strike, and other games like that. What I was talking about was the whole role-playing-in-order-to-be-a-pirate bullshit. Why the **** can't I just shoot someone? Nothing Found |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:masternerdguy wrote:People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore. That's hilarious.
With no ship destruction thanks to respawns there are very few money sinks, capping out on $$$ is inevitable. Lots of peeps delete their chars to start from scratch again and grind back to the top. |
Nate Guralman
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:42:00 -
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Sometimes I think the only people who complain more than carebears are the people who complain about the complaining of carebears.
In any case, I don't get the point complaining. If you don't like something, then stop doing it. Don't like EVE? Quit! Don't hate it enough to quit, play!
(And note that providing constructive criticism does not equate complaining). |
BombDust
Gallente Militia War College
10
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:43:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:EVE keeps you playing because it lets you build yourself up only to be broken back down again later. Asset destruction, generally involuntary, is the heart and soul of this game.
But since you don't believe me, remember that game Freelancer? Not an MMO, although a lot of mods** are played actively in multiplayer in MMO-like environments.
In Freelancer when you die, you merely respawn with your ship and equipment in the last place you docked. Even in multiplayer! In fact, some servers didn't even take your cargo when you died meaning there is literally no loss except the 5 minutes of travel time!
Many servers (vanilla and modded) have either no pvp at all or, more commonly, pvp only after roleplay. This means that if you want to violence someone's boat you had to spend time roleplaying a pirate instead of just blapping them EVE style. This seems to be a carebear dream come true, since properly selecting your roleplay identity can keep you out of quite a bit of trouble. A common strategy is to spend 15 minutes roleplaying with the pirate while you're in a private convo with someone roleplaying a local police officer (who happens to fly a blapfit battleship) to come save you.
In this carebear friendly world, they must surely never complain right?
On the contrary, many servers put EVE carebear entitlement to shame. Ever think these forums are bad? Go to a freelancer roleplaying mod's official forum and you will see a new level of carebearism. Even though there is practically nothing lost from dying, and you can only be killed after proper roleplay ("engaging!", "2 mill or die" and "halt!" are not proper roleplay) people still manage to complain about there being too much risk!
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
No matter what you do, you cannot appease them. Freelancer and its various mods are fun and I still play online, but EVE is a completely different animal. I could enjoy a more EVE-like Freelancer, but never a more Freelancer-like EVE.
**MOD is the operative word here. People got bored and tired of grinding the same missions and asteroids and trade routes for the same ships and equipment and quit playing. So to solve this problem the universe gets repeatedly expanded and redone so you can grind a different set of things for a while until you max out there too.
I spend time on Discovery Freelancer under various characters.
Lol best thread this week, agree on everything. + 5 stars from me |
Forum Art Appreciator
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:53:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:EVE keeps you playing because it lets you build yourself up only to be broken back down again later. Asset destruction, generally involuntary, is the heart and soul of this game.
But since you don't believe me, remember that game Freelancer? Not an MMO, although a lot of mods** are played actively in multiplayer in MMO-like environments.
In Freelancer when you die, you merely respawn with your ship and equipment in the last place you docked. Even in multiplayer! In fact, some servers didn't even take your cargo when you died meaning there is literally no loss except the 5 minutes of travel time!
Many servers (vanilla and modded) have either no pvp at all or, more commonly, pvp only after roleplay. This means that if you want to violence someone's boat you had to spend time roleplaying a pirate instead of just blapping them EVE style. This seems to be a carebear dream come true, since properly selecting your roleplay identity can keep you out of quite a bit of trouble. A common strategy is to spend 15 minutes roleplaying with the pirate while you're in a private convo with someone roleplaying a local police officer (who happens to fly a blapfit battleship) to come save you.
In this carebear friendly world, they must surely never complain right?
On the contrary, many servers put EVE carebear entitlement to shame. Ever think these forums are bad? Go to a freelancer roleplaying mod's official forum and you will see a new level of carebearism. Even though there is practically nothing lost from dying, and you can only be killed after proper roleplay ("engaging!", "2 mill or die" and "halt!" are not proper roleplay) people still manage to complain about there being too much risk!
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
No matter what you do, you cannot appease them. Freelancer and its various mods are fun and I still play online, but EVE is a completely different animal. I could enjoy a more EVE-like Freelancer, but never a more Freelancer-like EVE.
**MOD is the operative word here. People got bored and tired of grinding the same missions and asteroids and trade routes for the same ships and equipment and quit playing. So to solve this problem the universe gets repeatedly expanded and redone so you can grind a different set of things for a while until you max out there too.
I spend time on Discovery Freelancer under various characters. Magnifique! Brilliant! This master of the forum arts outdoes himself again! This is a perfectly crafted and entertaining to read strawman attack on carebears in Eve, even using a game that is commonly referred to by Eve players as "better" or "great". Truly a professional work of art.
It forgoes the usual reading deterrents such as bad spelling, grammar, or punctuation, instead opting for the "tl;dr" method (for those who are not familiar with critics' jargon, it means "too long; didn't read"). The reception is overwhelmingly positive from the other critics I see in the thread, as well, and I have no qualms about giving this post a perfect score!
10/10. Bien fait, monsieur! Bien fait! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
869
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:54:00 -
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Greyscale Dash wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:masternerdguy wrote:People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore. That's hilarious. With no ship destruction thanks to respawns there are very few money sinks, capping out on $$$ is inevitable. Lots of peeps delete their chars to start from scratch again and grind back to the top. So... what's the max money you can hold on a single character in EVE? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:14:00 -
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Masternerdguy's voice/typing is like the howling of a female cat in heat, annoying to most but quite soothing and arousing to himself.
Only problem between the PVP and Carebear, is the PVP gets an erection and entitlement issues to abuse the Carebear. PVP also belives he should do what ever he wants ot the Carebear, even though EVE allows it. Heck, most PVP types are stupider then the carebear, cause the carebear knows how to get the most use of his resources (expensive fit ship) while the ******* idiot PVP types in lowsec don't have a ******* clue how to utilize what resources they have available: Bigger asteroid belts, better exploration, level 5s, better payouts...cause all they want to do is play the hunter and gank carebears should in their wildest wet dream that level 4s get moved to lowsec (since they same ******* idiot PVP types can't be bothered to even try getting a large corp going where they take charge and protect their "non-combatants" to take advantage of the riches in lowsec and their best use of EVE is to pay a monthly subscription to play the game as if it was CoD)
Only thing is, PVP and the Carebear are the same critter...a stupid human. Let me show you an example...
Carebear in highsec with his expensive ship, doesn't take it into lowsec because it will disseapper real fast. that is called risk adversion.
PVP will EFT and Marketbot the cheapest ship possible, then gloat how they use it and they are better then the Carebear. But they won't fly an expensive ship because it will diseapper real fast resulting in a stupid loss. This is also called reduced risk adversion.
Difference but the same...one pulls the trigger and the other avoids the gun...but both know the dangers and what expensive loss is.
End result...both are stupid humans, one with a really narrow point of view he belives should be forced on others and the other avoiding the the loss but doesn't like being aggressively targeted with derision that would burn a hole through a meter of steel.
Meh, I still say all the crutches of EVE should be removed. No med clones, no insurance, reduce hitpoints but keep the high alpha strikes, nerf passive buffers, remove CONCORD, bring back Dominion era SC and AoE Titans, apply skillpoint loss when you lose your ship (T3 is double the loss). Hell, permanent character death would just as awesome. Just to prove a point who is more risk adverse...the carebear or the PVP types...eventually both will stop playing the game because the loss will be so great they will get tired of it . |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
309
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:14:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Why Carebears Will Never Stop Complaining This coming from you. Quite the irony.
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Forum Art Appreciator
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:18:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Masternerdguy's voice/typing is like the howling of a female cat in heat, annoying to most but quite soothing and arousing to himself. I know, right!? It's amazing!
Truly a genius mind. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
559
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:23:00 -
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Forum Art Appreciator wrote:Aqriue wrote:Masternerdguy's voice/typing is like the howling of a female cat in heat, annoying to most but quite soothing and arousing to himself. I know, right!? It's amazing! Truly a genius mind.
I love how you all post strawmans and personal attacks instead of responding to the post. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Forum Art Appreciator
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:28:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Forum Art Appreciator wrote:Aqriue wrote:Masternerdguy's voice/typing is like the howling of a female cat in heat, annoying to most but quite soothing and arousing to himself. I know, right!? It's amazing! Truly a genius mind. I love how you all post strawmans and personal attacks instead of responding to the post. I already responded to your post. I loved it! Big fan! Sticking it to the carebears never gets old. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
309
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:32:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I love how you all post strawmans and personal attacks instead of responding to the post. Yes, because calling carebears "hippies" is not a strawman. At all.
Keep hatin', cowboy.
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Ituhata Saken
Elysium Enterprises
89
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:08:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Forum Art Appreciator wrote:Aqriue wrote:Masternerdguy's voice/typing is like the howling of a female cat in heat, annoying to most but quite soothing and arousing to himself. I know, right!? It's amazing! Truly a genius mind. I love how you all post strawmans and personal attacks instead of responding to the post.
Just thought I'd point out, in case you missed it, the quote I posted from Yahtzee. It brings to light the fallacy that carebears are the only whiners in an mmo. Of course, this is EvE Online, pvp is amazingly balanced at the moment, yes? |
Juanathan Caille
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:15:00 -
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Greyscale Dash wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:masternerdguy wrote:People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore. That's hilarious. With no ship destruction thanks to respawns there are very few money sinks, capping out on $$$ is inevitable. Lots of peeps delete their chars to start from scratch again and grind back to the top.
How nice that EVE will eventually do that for you. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
48
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:46:00 -
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they won't, it's their nature |
Darth Kilth
Clan Exiled Legends
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:52:00 -
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I've found that the biggest carebears are 0.0 players, sure, they take slightly more risk then Hi-Sec miners but with the amount of intell channels, the lack of active wars in many places combined with the high income from ratting from 0.0 creates a high income but low risk enviroment. Even when at war the risk is neligeble since your ships for that kind of combat will be reimbursed anyway.
The only people who can seriously call someone a carebear and not imidiatly remove the value of anything he says are the small time pirates in low sec who actually risk something.
Just my opinion tough, I'm sure plenty of 0.0 players will say that they run the risk of dying every second and the rewards are to low. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
966
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:53:00 -
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Darth Kilth wrote:I've found that the biggest carebears are 0.0 players, sure, they take slightly more risk then Hi-Sec miners but with the amount of intell channels, the lack of active wars in many places combined with the high income from ratting from 0.0 creates a high income but low risk enviroment. Even when at war the risk is neligeble since your ships for that kind of combat will be reimbursed anyway.
The only people who can seriously call someone a carebear and not imidiatly remove the value of anything he says are the small time pirates in low sec who actually risk something.
Just my opinion tough, I'm sure plenty of 0.0 players will say that they run the risk of dying every second and the rewards are to low. indeed, all of eve should be made 0.0 so we can share our carebearing bounty with everyone |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
789
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:29:00 -
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Quote: People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
Im just going to go ahead and believe this as i have nother better to do I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project CORE.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:39:00 -
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Funny. Someone COMPLAINING that care bears complain. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming you did that on purpose. Thus, I believe my laughter was WITH you, not AT you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
870
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:58:00 -
[34] - Quote
Ituhata Saken wrote:Of course, this is EvE Online, pvp is amazingly balanced at the moment, yes? Yep balanced by cost. Wait, you meant pvp in general.
Luv2Blob Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1061
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Posted - 2012.05.24 02:17:00 -
[35] - Quote
Darth Kilth wrote:I've found that the biggest carebears are 0.0 players, sure, they take slightly more risk then Hi-Sec miners but with the amount of intell channels, the lack of active wars in many places combined with the high income from ratting from 0.0 creates a high income but low risk enviroment. Even when at war the risk is neligeble since your ships for that kind of combat will be reimbursed anyway.
The only people who can seriously call someone a carebear and not imidiatly remove the value of anything he says are the small time pirates in low sec who actually risk something.
Just my opinion tough, I'm sure plenty of 0.0 players will say that they run the risk of dying every second and the rewards are to low. As a small time pilot in low sec (I have only three alts in my corp, and a few neutral alts.), I can honestly say it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.
I don't have to deal with bubbles, I don't pay Sov upgrade costs, I never have to defend my space and the closest I've had to a CTA is when I dropped a neutral wyvern on some guys POCOs and POS because they were rude in local.
But beside that the main points you seem to be missing concerning null sec "bears" is this:
1) PvPrs are care bears too, we need to bear to replace and buy our ships.
2) A null bear who doesn't PvP or contribute is called a leach, or alternatively they might be even worse... a renter.
3) Most of them want null to be made more dangerous, hence the endless complaints over local chat. It isn't their fault CCP don't have the balls to fix local.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ituhata Saken
Elysium Enterprises
89
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Posted - 2012.05.24 02:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Of course, this is EvE Online, pvp is amazingly balanced at the moment, yes? Yep balanced by cost. Wait, you meant pvp in general. Luv2Blob
I luv2-2. Tetra Fish Tank w/ Jack Dempsey
I'm not really sure what pvp I meant, I just assume the following changes were made because of PvP player tears:
Titans (what is it, 3 times now?) nanos falcons and possibly supercarriers, there was alot of talk before i left.
That's all I'm aware of, I'm sure there were more nerfs. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2052
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Posted - 2012.05.24 02:51:00 -
[37] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Why Carebears Will Never Stop Complaining These forums are proof that Carebears aren't the only ones complaining. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.05.24 03:45:00 -
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lol some people are complaining about the lack of new pants true story |
Ubiquitous Newt
The F-Bombers
2
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:26:00 -
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...You know, I think I've honestly seen WAY more people complain about "carebears," than I have seen carebears complain about being ganked or killed. PvPers are far more whiny than any self-sufficient miner could dream of being. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
357
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:31:00 -
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You, OP, whine more than any 'carebear' who has ever taken to the stars. |
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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
209
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:37:00 -
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carebears will never stop complaining because they are carebears. simple as that. otherwise, they wouldnt be carebears.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2331
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:37:00 -
[42] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Only problem between the PVP and Carebear, is the PVP gets an erection and entitlement issues to abuse the Carebear. PVP also belives he should do what ever he wants ot the Carebear, even though EVE allows it. Heck, most PVP types are stupider then the carebear, cause the carebear knows how to get the most use of his resources (expensive fit ship) while the ******* idiot PVP types in lowsec don't h Gonna stop you right there. You've got it backward: The carebear feels entitled to do whatever he wants, because he thinks EVE is a single-player game.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:39:00 -
[43] - Quote
Why do you keep posting? |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
610
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:14:00 -
[44] - Quote
freelancer sounds worse than dxball |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:17:00 -
[45] - Quote
People from all types of play styles will always whine and complain about something...not just Carebears. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:23:00 -
[46] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Gonna stop you right there. You've got it backward: The carebear feels entitled to do whatever he wants, because he thinks EVE is a single-player game.
Says a NPC corp solo ganker. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
Hey, OP, maybe you can start a new thread on an alt about why griefers will never stop complaining. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10043
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:29:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:even though EVE allows it. Yea we know, some have a hard time understanding it though.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9053
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:So... what's the max money you can hold on a single character in EVE? One would assume that it's stored as an FP64, so something in the order of 10-¦Gü¦Gü¦ iirc (give or take a couple of orders of magnitude). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
198
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:45:00 -
[50] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:EVE keeps you playing because it lets you build yourself up only to be broken back down again later. Asset destruction, generally involuntary, is the heart and soul of this game.
But since you don't believe me, remember that game Freelancer? Not an MMO, although a lot of mods** are played actively in multiplayer in MMO-like environments.
In Freelancer when you die, you merely respawn with your ship and equipment in the last place you docked. Even in multiplayer! In fact, some servers didn't even take your cargo when you died meaning there is literally no loss except the 5 minutes of travel time!
Many servers (vanilla and modded) have either no pvp at all or, more commonly, pvp only after roleplay. This means that if you want to violence someone's boat you had to spend time roleplaying a pirate instead of just blapping them EVE style. This seems to be a carebear dream come true, since properly selecting your roleplay identity can keep you out of quite a bit of trouble. A common strategy is to spend 15 minutes roleplaying with the pirate while you're in a private convo with someone roleplaying a local police officer (who happens to fly a blapfit battleship) to come save you.
In this carebear friendly world, they must surely never complain right?
On the contrary, many servers put EVE carebear entitlement to shame. Ever think these forums are bad? Go to a freelancer roleplaying mod's official forum and you will see a new level of carebearism. Even though there is practically nothing lost from dying, and you can only be killed after proper roleplay ("engaging!", "2 mill or die" and "halt!" are not proper roleplay) people still manage to complain about there being too much risk!
People even complain about the PVE being too hard! But the most common complain of all is that they can't store any more credits on their characters because of the limitations of the 32bit integer. They are complaining about being so rich that the game can't even hold their money anymore.
No matter what you do, you cannot appease them. Freelancer and its various mods are fun and I still play online, but EVE is a completely different animal. I could enjoy a more EVE-like Freelancer, but never a more Freelancer-like EVE.
**MOD is the operative word here. People got bored and tired of grinding the same missions and asteroids and trade routes for the same ships and equipment and quit playing. So to solve this problem the universe gets repeatedly expanded and redone so you can grind a different set of things for a while until you max out there too.
I spend time on Discovery Freelancer under various characters.
Another pvp pilot who thinks he knows it all, we are quite content with the game
pvp pilots = boring
Null sec pilots = 25% of the player base and the vocal lot high sec pilots - 75% and really couldnt care less what the rest of the game is doing
Just keep thinking whatever you like |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
867
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:46:00 -
[51] - Quote
hypocrisy smells of fried backfat and burnt neck hairs.
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:48:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:high sec pilots - 75% Of which 75% are nullsec alts. |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:51:00 -
[53] - Quote
It's a conditioned reflex. 1. Join game 2. Take a look at the forums 3. Discover that in here you get to whine and tantrum like you haven't since you were a two-year-old 4. Go forth and whine |
Sexy Cakes
Poasting
62
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
tldr
Freelancer sucks and has no affiliation or correlation to EVE other than taking place in ships Not today spaghetti. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
3
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote: 3) Most of them want null to be made more dangerous, hence the endless complaints over local chat. It isn't their fault CCP don't have the balls to fix local.
unset all the blues .... instant extra danger
no CCP involvement required |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:18:00 -
[56] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: 3) Most of them want null to be made more dangerous, hence the endless complaints over local chat. It isn't their fault CCP don't have the balls to fix local.
unset all the blues .... instant extra danger no CCP involvement required NERF HAVING FRIENDS |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
135
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:01:00 -
[57] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Aqriue wrote:Only problem between the PVP and Carebear, is the PVP gets an erection and entitlement issues to abuse the Carebear. PVP also belives he should do what ever he wants ot the Carebear, even though EVE allows it. Heck, most PVP types are stupider then the carebear, cause the carebear knows how to get the most use of his resources (expensive fit ship) while the ******* idiot PVP types in lowsec don't h Gonna stop you right there. You've got it backward: The carebear feels entitled to do whatever he wants, because he thinks EVE is a single-player game.
well excuse me Mr, but I pay my monthly sub fee, one way or another, so that entitles me to play the game however I want. And YOU should really stop trying to make others play it your way. GET A LIFE BRAH!
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:02:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:GET A LIFE BRAH! What kind of bra is this? Is it better than a push-up bra? |
Ravan Hekki
Blue-Fire
38
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:10:00 -
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Your wrong, it's not about carebear complaining. Its moaning full stop.
1. It's the internet, you can moan with no real comeback
2. OMG has the sense of entitlement in modern society gone mad! This is a major issue.
3. People just like moaning
4. Moaning on a forum gives a sense of power missing form RL
Lets face it null, carebear, pirate or WH you will get people moaning about something. The only way to make everyone happy is to shut the servers down. |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
198
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
I just think he's funny, i love how the pvp vocal majority think that *carebears* give a damn about most of the crap they seem to think we give a damn about?
Barges - No need to be changed, if you were smart, u lived Missions - U nerfed lvl 4's with your bitching thinking it would force us into low sec, u failed, we are quite happy thanks Incursions - again a good thing for us, u had it nerfed and cried like girls about it, oh well, we still make plenty of isk Mining - u tried to crash mineral prices, well done, i still make isk off it
I could go on
We as in CAREBEARS as in the people who live in high sec. We are quite content
So quit making these silly threads
Tah v much |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2334
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:23:00 -
[61] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:well excuse me Mr, but I pay my monthly sub fee, one way or another, so that entitles me to play the game however I want. Not really. You're constrained by the game mechanics and the actions of other people (including so-called "griefers").
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:25:00 -
[62] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:James 315 wrote:Aqriue wrote:Only problem between the PVP and Carebear, is the PVP gets an erection and entitlement issues to abuse the Carebear. PVP also belives he should do what ever he wants ot the Carebear, even though EVE allows it. Heck, most PVP types are stupider then the carebear, cause the carebear knows how to get the most use of his resources (expensive fit ship) while the ******* idiot PVP types in lowsec don't h Gonna stop you right there. You've got it backward: The carebear feels entitled to do whatever he wants, because he thinks EVE is a single-player game. well excuse me Mr, but I pay my monthly sub fee, one way or another, so that entitles me to play the game however I want.
So does he. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
198
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:43:00 -
[63] - Quote
James 315 wrote:arcca jeth wrote:well excuse me Mr, but I pay my monthly sub fee, one way or another, so that entitles me to play the game however I want. Not really. You're constrained by the game mechanics and the actions of other people (including so-called "griefers").
You can play this bull crap till eve fails and it will never be true
it is about a 25% VOCAL majority of players who want everyone to play the game as they do. Period
If you had your way, there would be no empire, just a few safe systems here and there
And then
The game would die.
I would love for there to be an option for the elitist fools to *Click here to not buy goods from empire industrial corps in jita/amar/rens etc*
Then id laugh when u got blown up and tried to fit a ship. Oppps fail much? U stick your null sec rubbish and we'll stick to our empire rubbish
I dont interfere in your game, dont interfere in mine.
The game machanics dont stop me doing what i want, its idiots like you who try to gank my hulk because your useless at pvp that try to force to me to do what u do
Sumone shoots you
You get mad
Get a bigger ship
come back
own him
pat your self on the back
Here is what we do
Sumone ganks our barge
We discuss it on ts
write it off as empire living
buy another one
keep going
revenge? LOL, its an internet spaceship game
go outside more |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:45:00 -
[64] - Quote
Taranius De Consolville wrote:it is about a 25% VOCAL majority of players who want everyone to play the game as they do. Period The 25% which is left over when you assume that hisec is 75% hisec chars, and completely ignore the fact that hisec is 75% nullsec alts? those 25%? |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:46:00 -
[65] - Quote
Also, holy ****, stop faceplanting that enter key. |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
198
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:49:00 -
[66] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:it is about a 25% VOCAL majority of players who want everyone to play the game as they do. Period The 25% which is left over when you assume that hisec is 75% hisec chars, and completely ignore the fact that hisec is 75% nullsec alts? those 25%?
So uve blabbed before, what dif? and there not all null alts, id say about 10% since most *true* pvpers dont need high sec alts to make ISK for them.
Bottom line is
You keep putting these threads about *high sec* and *risk vs reward* and trying to force *ccp* to change the game into PURE PVP. Okay lets do that
ALL INDUSTRIAL ships need to be removed
CCP will have to seed each market non stop at set prices on all ships/mods/faction crap etc
Nail all empire as low sec, only 2-3 systems in each empire as *high sec* for market hubs
Then lets go from there
51k online on sunday
Lets watch 35k of the player base quit eve and walk out
vets need to adapt, this is not 2003, this is not the time of CA/5/OLD BOB/D2/IRON. This is 2012 and times change
Get with it
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:53:00 -
[67] - Quote
Taranius De Consolville wrote:So uve blabbed before, what dif? and there not all null alts, id say about 10% since most *true* pvpers dont need high sec alts to make ISK for them. A vast majority of all my chars are stationed in hisec, and this is very common for nullsec people. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
ALL INDUSTRIAL ships need to be removed
Why?
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
1932
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
*raspy/low voice* We will never stop whining... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:56:00 -
[70] - Quote
Remove CONCORD, buff navy, buff sentries. Reduce Hisec to 2-4 jumps around each faction's hub. (Jita, Rens, Amarr, Dodixie) Losec in between, Nullsec everywhere else. Automatically enroll all players into FW. (Defections allowed, but you can't leave) Increase occurance of Empire-Empire WH's.
Wait out tsunami of tears. Enjoy better, carebear free game. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:56:00 -
[71] - Quote
Taranius De Consolville wrote:id say about 10% since most *true* pvpers dont need high sec alts to make ISK for them.
tell me how "true" pvpers make their isk "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:56:00 -
[72] - Quote
Sarik Olecar wrote:Remove CONCORD, buff navy, buff sentries. Reduce Hisec to 2-4 jumps around each faction's hub. (Jita, Rens, Amarr, Dodixie) Losec in between, Nullsec everywhere else. Automatically enroll all players into FW. (Defections allowed, but you can't leave) Increase occurance of Empire-Empire WH's.
Wait out tsunami of tears, enjoy better, carebear free game.
other than the FW part, I like.
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
1934
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:58:00 -
[73] - Quote
Sarik Olecar wrote:Wait out tsunami of tears. Enjoy better, carebear free game.
And start drinking much fluids, because 3 months later, you will shed more tears... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:00:00 -
[74] - Quote
I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:01:00 -
[75] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile.
lol "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Sarik Olecar wrote:Remove CONCORD, buff navy, buff sentries. Reduce Hisec to 2-4 jumps around each faction's hub. (Jita, Rens, Amarr, Dodixie) Losec in between, Nullsec everywhere else. Automatically enroll all players into FW. (Defections allowed, but you can't leave) Increase occurance of Empire-Empire WH's.
Wait out tsunami of tears, enjoy better, carebear free game.
other than the FW part, I like.
Without CONCORD its needed to prevent abuse. Perhaps a better solution would be to just make the empires navies shoot neutrals on sight. |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:04:00 -
[77] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile. I'm touching your carebear pimp mobile in its naughty spot, and it's liking it. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
Never read posts from this OP. Never. You will all be happier for it... |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:05:00 -
[79] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Anslo wrote:I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile. I'm touching your carebear pimp mobile in its naughty spot, and it's liking it.
Huh, typical pvp-tard filth drivel. Get back to nul sec you dirty beggar. I have an isk faucet to guzzle :) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:06:00 -
[80] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Anslo wrote:I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile. I'm touching your carebear pimp mobile in its naughty spot, and it's liking it. Huh, typical pvp-tard filth drivel. Get back to nul sec you dirty beggar. I have an isk faucet to guzzle :)
why do you insist on dictating the way others play the game? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:08:00 -
[81] - Quote
Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Anslo wrote:I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile. I'm touching your carebear pimp mobile in its naughty spot, and it's liking it. Huh, typical pvp-tard filth drivel. Get back to nul sec you dirty beggar. I have an isk faucet to guzzle :) why do you insist on dictating the way others play the game?
I could say the same for you, urchin :) |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:11:00 -
[82] - Quote
Taranius De Consolville wrote: ALL INDUSTRIAL ships need to be removed
CCP will have to seed each market non stop at set prices on all ships/mods/faction crap etc
Nail all empire as low sec, only 2-3 systems in each empire as *high sec* for market hubs
Then lets go from there
51k online on sunday
Lets watch 35k of the player base quit eve and walk out
vets need to adapt, this is not 2003, this is not the time of CA/5/OLD BOB/D2/IRON. This is 2012 and times change
Get with it
Nah, just need to make sure risk/reward is balanced. Nerf highsec, buff the rest.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:12:00 -
[83] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I could say the same for you, urchin :)
I don't tell people how to play the game. You, on the other hand, do. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Anslo wrote:I hope CCP culls all your street rat PvPing undesirables. The last thing we need is your space trash touching my clean and pristine care bear pimp mobile. I'm touching your carebear pimp mobile in its naughty spot, and it's liking it. Huh, typical pvp-tard filth drivel. Get back to nul sec you dirty beggar. I have an isk faucet to guzzle :) why do you insist on dictating the way others play the game? I could say the same for you, urchin :)
Chill dudes. Both playstyles are valid... just so long as both sides realise that this game is cold and unforgiving. Only real difference between the two is that the carebears get their "wins" on the market, and the combat dudes get them at the gates (stations, POS, whatever).
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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Nah, just need to make sure risk/reward is balanced. Nerf highsec, buff the rest.
Lets Buff everything! This game should be more like WoW anyways. i want to spend every week upgrade my +50 Mythril Rokh of the Blessed to a +51 Crystal Rokh of Flames w/ Augment Slot...
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:16:00 -
[86] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Chill dudes. Both playstyles are valid... just so long as both sides realise that this game is cold and unforgiving. Only real difference between the two is that the carebears get their "wins" on the market, and the combat dudes get them at the gates (stations, POS, whatever). I get both, but I'd prefer it if I could have it all in nullsec instead of it being vastly easier effort/reward-wise to do a vast majority of what I do in EVE in hisec. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:22:00 -
[87] - Quote
Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I could say the same for you, urchin :) I don't tell people how to play the game. You, on the other hand, do.
No, you and your spawn do tell people how to play by bashing us care bears and trying to prevent us from playing that way. And if you're definition of playing and fun is giving other people a hard time and tearing their work down, there's plenty of nice padded rooms where we can keep you and allow the rest of CIVILIZED society flourish. :) |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:25:00 -
[88] - Quote
Anslo wrote:No, you and your spawn do tell people how to play by bashing us care bears and trying to prevent us from playing that way. And if you're definition of playing and fun is giving other people a hard time and tearing their work down, there's plenty of nice padded rooms where we can keep you and allow the rest of CIVILIZED society flourish. :) Psst: this is a PVP game. Giving other people a hard time and tearing their work down is kinda the point of the whole game.
Just thought you should know. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:26:00 -
[89] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I could say the same for you, urchin :) I don't tell people how to play the game. You, on the other hand, do. No, you and your spawn do tell people how to play by bashing us care bears and trying to prevent us from playing that way. And if you're definition of playing and fun is giving other people a hard time and tearing their work down, there's plenty of nice padded rooms where we can keep you and allow the rest of CIVILIZED society flourish. :)
It's a legitimate playstyle. If you don't wish to protect what you have in this game, well, you don't deserve it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:27:00 -
[90] - Quote
Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I could say the same for you, urchin :) I don't tell people how to play the game. You, on the other hand, do. No, you and your spawn do tell people how to play by bashing us care bears and trying to prevent us from playing that way. And if you're definition of playing and fun is giving other people a hard time and tearing their work down, there's plenty of nice padded rooms where we can keep you and allow the rest of CIVILIZED society flourish. :) It's a legitimate playstyle. If you don't wish to protect what you have in this game, well, you don't deserve it.
I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!
Lord Zim wrote: Psst: this is a PVP game. Giving other people a hard time and tearing their work down is kinda the point of the whole game.
Just thought you should know.
HAH! Not anymore! The majority payers have spoken; we want nothing to do with you pvp undesirables. Deal with it. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:28:00 -
[91] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!
You worked for it, but you did nothing to protect it. And thus, it was taken from you, all with the press of "F1" and the prompt removal of the fruits of your labor from your wreck. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers! If you can't protect it, you didn't deserve it. You only deserve it for as long as you keep working for something. The moment you stop working for it, you deserve to lose it.
Deal with it.
Anslo wrote:HAH! Not anymore! The majority payers have spoken; we not nothing to do with you pvp undesirables. Deal with it. And how, pray tell, are you going to make sure that happens? |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:30:00 -
[93] - Quote
Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!
You worked for it, but you did nothing to protect it. And thus, it was taken from you, all with the press of "F1" and the prompt removal of the fruits of your labor from your wreck.
That's why I mission, I don't take your bait, I just ignore you scum :) I don't care if I did "nothing to protect it," meaning answering your goads at pvp by taking you on and then being blobbed by your street hoodlum pals. It's mine. Deal with it.
All griefers should be banned! |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1211
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:32:00 -
[94] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!
You worked for it, but you did nothing to protect it. And thus, it was taken from you, all with the press of "F1" and the prompt removal of the fruits of your labor from your wreck. That's why I mission, I don't take your bait, I just ignore you scum :) I don't care if I did "nothing to protect it," meaning answering your goads at pvp by taking you on and then being blobbed by your street hoodlum pals. It's mine. Deal with it. All griefers should be banned! You mission? So you partake in PvP.
Or did you get that mission ship from bots? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:33:00 -
[95] - Quote
This guy, for example: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14321354
Autopiloted a freighter loaded with his life's worth. So much for that! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4314
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:34:00 -
[96] - Quote
Anslo wrote:That's why I mission, I don't take your bait, I just ignore you scum :) I don't care if I did "nothing to protect it," meaning answering your goads at pvp by taking you on and then being blobbed by your street hoodlum pals. It's mine. Deal with it.
All griefers should be banned!
Actually, it'd just be a Tornado gang landing in your mission site and vaporizing your pride and joy in a flash.
Ninjalooting is for chumps. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!
You worked for it, but you did nothing to protect it. And thus, it was taken from you, all with the press of "F1" and the prompt removal of the fruits of your labor from your wreck. That's why I mission, I don't take your bait, I just ignore you scum :) I don't care if I did "nothing to protect it," meaning answering your goads at pvp by taking you on and then being blobbed by your street hoodlum pals. It's mine. Deal with it. All griefers should be banned! You mission? So you partake in PvP. Or did you get that mission ship from bots?
I got my mission ship from working up by PURE PVE :) I did missions, trained, got more money. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1211
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:35:00 -
[98] - Quote
Dear Empress, why would anyone do such a thing. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:36:00 -
[99] - Quote
And that's why you always stay alligned! You warp in? Bye bye scum! I warp out, dock, and go do something else while you bang your head and insults against the station hull. Hmmm, maybe I'll jump to somewhere I can rat, or station trade, or even play a different game? Oh so many options! Haha! |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:37:00 -
[100] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Velicitia wrote:Chill dudes. Both playstyles are valid... just so long as both sides realise that this game is cold and unforgiving. Only real difference between the two is that the carebears get their "wins" on the market, and the combat dudes get them at the gates (stations, POS, whatever). I get both, but I'd prefer it if I could have it all in nullsec instead of it being vastly easier effort/reward-wise to do a vast majority of what I do in EVE in hisec.
Agreed, to a point. Nullsec should need empire, just as it "needs" W-space, and empire needs both for economic viability.
Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything. Had we not gotten capitals, or had there been some even higher yield rocks added (e.g. a +25% veld variant, or similar) that would offset the stupidly high lowend needs, we would most likely still see a thriving industrial side out there, because it would be "just as easy" as getting it from Jita.
TBH, I miss the danger/unknown/fun* of null ... but I simply don't have the time to commit to living out in null (I'm an industrialist -- empire benefits me in that I don't need to plan "far" in advance for a POS fuel run, or stay up til 0500 on a random night because of something bad happening).
*there was always something going on ... and always someone to chat with, or who needed help with something as boring as moving stuff from A to B ... empire doesn't have that, because I'm "safe enough" flying solo. |
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:37:00 -
[101] - Quote
Anslo wrote:And that's why you always stay alligned! You warp in? Bye bye scum! I warp out, dock, and go do something else while you bang your head and insults against the station hull. Hmmm, maybe I'll jump to somewhere I can rat, or station trade, or even play a different game? Oh so many options! Haha! I hear you can stay aligned in a freighter the instant you go through a gate. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4315
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:37:00 -
[102] - Quote
Anslo wrote:And that's why you always stay alligned! You warp in? Bye bye scum! I warp out, dock, and go do something else while you bang your head and insults against the station hull. Hmmm, maybe I'll jump to somewhere I can rat, or station trade, or even play a different game? Oh so many options! Haha!
A good bump will do it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
48
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:38:00 -
[103] - Quote
tldr wall o txt
Why PVPERs Will Never Stop Complaining About Carebears complaining. *Fixed |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1211
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:38:00 -
[104] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!
You worked for it, but you did nothing to protect it. And thus, it was taken from you, all with the press of "F1" and the prompt removal of the fruits of your labor from your wreck. That's why I mission, I don't take your bait, I just ignore you scum :) I don't care if I did "nothing to protect it," meaning answering your goads at pvp by taking you on and then being blobbed by your street hoodlum pals. It's mine. Deal with it. All griefers should be banned! You mission? So you partake in PvP. Or did you get that mission ship from bots? I got my mission ship from working up by PURE PVE :) I did missions, trained, got more money. You bought your ship right? or went old school and built it. Guess what, you partook in PvP.
The only way to avoid PvP in this game (not counting unconsensual stuff like ganks) is to only run missions in the ships and modules you get from missions. otherwise you are competing with other players for limited supplies, and fueling the PvP lifeblood of the game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4315
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:39:00 -
[105] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything. Had we not gotten capitals, or had there been some even higher yield rocks added (e.g. a +25% veld variant, or similar) that would offset the stupidly high lowend needs, we would still see a thriving industrial side out there.
Supercaps are built entirely in POS - even the components. The problem is a lack of manufacturing slots in nullsec - a backwater hisec system can have far more slots than an entire 0.0 region. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:39:00 -
[106] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything. Wrong. Do the math on how much industrial capacity f.ex deklein has, then compare it to some of the systems in hisec.
Supers has fuckall to do with industrial capacity. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
102
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:39:00 -
[107] - Quote
Does this guy do this alot?
You know, speak for a majority who shares none of his viewpoints? If people don't like how Highsec isn't completely bubble wrapped they should just leave.
EDIT:
-dies laughing- |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9058
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:43:00 -
[108] - Quote
Taranius De Consolville wrote:Null sec pilots = 25% of the player base and the vocal lot high sec pilots - 75% and really couldnt care less what the rest of the game is doing You have a source for these numbers, I take it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
102
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:44:00 -
[109] - Quote
99% of all statistics are made up on the spot. |
Lord Zim
1133
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:48:00 -
[110] - Quote
85% of all statistics are made up on the spot, the remaining 57% is just pulled out of someone's ass. |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:50:00 -
[111] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Velicitia wrote:Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything. Wrong. Do the math on how much industrial capacity f.ex deklein has, then compare it to some of the systems in hisec. Supers has fuckall to do with industrial capacity.
**** me thinking faster than typing and accidentallying everything...
"Industry" should have been "mining" (i.e. actually acquiring everything -- that's easier with JFing 425's or whatever the "best" mineral compression mod this patch will bring than mining).
Empire does have a fuckton of industrial capacity. It's also too damn cheap to be "balanced" well against null, even if it was severely limited in some way. perhaps CCP should have enforced the same 'rules' on empire as nullsec -- one station/system... ?
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Lord Zim
1133
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:55:00 -
[112] - Quote
It's not so much that hisec has a fuckton of industrial capacity, as much as it is nullsec has **** for industrial capacity. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1396
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:55:00 -
[113] - Quote
So I log on today and I see a wall of ship toasts on a really bad thread from almost a month ago.
Is this what we're doing now? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1070
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:15:00 -
[114] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:So I log on today and I see a wall of ship toasts on a really bad thread from almost a month ago.
Is this what we're doing now?
better than new threads...
@ Zim -- 'kay, so uh, how to balance it out then? |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:54:00 -
[115] - Quote
Well, since this thread appears to have started as a rant and devolved in to an insult slinging contest, I'm going to lock it. In future please try and post responsibly - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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