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Lord Seth
Shells n'Hell SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:36:00 -
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IDEA: High Sec Moon Mining; High sec towers, rolling NPC vs. Corp standings.
CCP already has a balanced map of high sec moons in place. Why canGÇÖt we mine them? Here is the idea...
First introduce a rolling/fluid standing towards NPC factions on a corporation/and?alliance level, so in other words your corp/alliance would have to keep high standing for that particular space to anchor a tower, and to mine. (promote game play)
If the standing is not maintained as it would naturally tick down on a time based system. Your tower would be off lined; you would get like a 3-5 day mail or some short warning to increase your corp/alliance standing to continue operation High sec towers would/could not be armed. Caps would sill obviously not be allowed or need.
So how do you keep the towers? Well mission runners and faction players keep playing and the standing stays up. Your corps mining operations stays active.
How do you stop this? Declare WAR! Stop them from running missions/defeat faction space via Militias/hire mercs.
This new high sec option would change the game. It would offer a HUGE new world for high sec players. Allow less grinding on towers and more constructive PVP, FUN! Also letting high sec players compete with null sec incomeGǪ. and null sec action using mostly tool already in the game (Missions/Merc contracts/Standings/Militias)
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:01:00 -
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high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"
hth |
Lord Seth
Shells n'Hell SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:08:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"
hth
Sure they do, thatGÇÖs like saying if you donGÇÖt join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE?
This idea falls perfectly in line with the new Merc contracts and Militia upgrades.
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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:21:00 -
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No. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:22:00 -
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I'd explain why, but its clear you don't understand the game at all, so I'd be wasting my time. |
Lord Seth
Shells n'Hell SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:29:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:I'd explain why, but its clear you don't understand the game at all, so I'd be wasting my time.
Perfect reason why, O.O is dead to so many vet players.... ^^
I lived in 0.0 longer than you, so please spare me of your negitive remarks, troll.
This was/is an area to offer ideas to a constructive player base and CCP, and its met with remarks like this? ...lol wow Eve players will never change.
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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:38:00 -
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Lord Seth wrote:wow Eve players will never change.
Well I can agree with you there.
They'll never stop coming up with horrid ideas that show a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game is balanced and designed.
also lol @ "I lived in 0.0 longer than you" |
Cari Cullejen
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Can't Undock. Won't Undock
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:57:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:Lord Seth wrote:wow Eve players will never change. Well I can agree with you there. They'll never stop coming up with horrid ideas that show a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game is balanced and designed. also lol @ "I lived in 0.0 longer than you"
Ignore her she just has her panties in a bunch (is probably really a he)...
Maybe if you explain how they could implement this and still balance the game sure, and hey! it might help the economy! In love with CCP Sunset |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:05:00 -
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Cari Cullejen wrote:
Ignore her she just has her panties in a bunch (is probably really a he)...
Maybe if you explain how they could implement this and still balance the game sure, and hey! it might help the economy!
look, another person that doesn't have any idea how the game works
im guessing there's no shortage of such people
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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:05:00 -
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also, I don't wear underwear, but thank you for inquiring |
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:06:00 -
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Lord Seth wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"
hth Sure they do, thatGÇÖs like saying if you donGÇÖt join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE? Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts.
Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk? |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:10:00 -
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Seriously the fact that you think high sec should have anything similar to the income that null sec has shows a complete failure to understand ccp's vision for the game. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:47:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote: Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk?
Same as bashing a mission running ship with a PVP fit battlecruiser. Quite litterly, zero risk to yourself its so fail fit that the mission ship will just die. Zero risk to yourself, surrounded by highsec with its CONCORD preventing some random 3rd partty interfering in your party against a ship that cannot even fight back effectively. Opps...sorry to dissappoint how silly you can make yourself out to be by putting on the show of tough guy with an awesome killboard of easy ass targets in the security blanket of highsec.
But perhaps the OP was talking about limited mining of moon minerals, kind of like how highsec PI is just a ******* waste of time but it generates a little bit of income where as the time spent for that character was better just biomassing it if not out right canceling the account. Can't see anything wrong with it in highsec, though perhaps limiting it .5 border zones to act like a "raid" scenario for FW (to exclude dreads) but talking with moon goo in the tens of millions barely breaking half a hundred million a month...no where near enough enough to pay for fuel. Eh, just an idea. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:01:00 -
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No, he actually does state that he wants high sec income to compete with null sec
Quote:. Also letting high sec players compete with null sec income
He also doesn't realize that moon competition in null is one of the biggest promoters of fights.
He is further delusional by the thought that null sec pvp would use "tools" such as missions/mercs/contracts/militias. In fact I have no idea how that thought process came to be. |
Darth Kilth
Clan Exiled Legends
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:05:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Lord Seth wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"
hth Sure they do, thatGÇÖs like saying if you donGÇÖt join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE? Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts. Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk? Wait, isn't that already what big 0.0 aliances are doing?
I don't see the difference, except one is run by an exclusive club and the other is empire space. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:09:00 -
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Darth Kilth wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Lord Seth wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"
hth Sure they do, thatGÇÖs like saying if you donGÇÖt join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE? Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts. Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk? Wait, isn't that already what big 0.0 aliances are doing? I don't see the difference, except one is run by an exclusive club and the other is empire space.
So in all of those fights over moons out in 0.0, there is never a single iota of risk to anyone involved, right? No ships are ever lost, no POS are ever destroyed, no-one is ever podded?
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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:39:00 -
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Confirming I have a 100% kill efficiency on kb.
Elite pvp, you know. |
SGT FUNYOUN
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.24 02:50:00 -
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Fail idea, that has been suggested and shot down before.
No. High Sec is NOT the be all do all. You actually can mine moon goo in high sec, just no where near as efficiently. There is not a lot of moon goo in high sec, but it is there.
It is the same principle that governs minerals in High sec, if you make low/null sec minerals show up in high sec, it will get mined more and then the bottom of the economy will fall out, all the billionaires will have so much money they can buy everything without any consequence, and the entire market will look like the one on the SISI server, where everything is priced at like 100 ISK.
Your idea would screw over so many players and absolutely destroy the economy in less than a week.
You obviously have no idea how EVE's economy works or how fast it moves. A change like that would alter the price of everything in New Eden by a minimum of half current market value within 24 hours.
So keep your communist ideals to yourself please, this game is built on Capitalism. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.05.24 03:37:00 -
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While I prefer moon goo to be removed completely, cheapen them to the detriment of farmers will do nicely too. Null used to be about freedom, then moon goo got implemented, and it turned into farmville. Kill it with fire. +1 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.24 03:38:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:While I prefer moon goo to be removed completely, cheapen them to the detriment of farmers will do nicely too. Null used to be about freedom, then moon goo got implemented, and it turned into farmville. Kill it with fire. +1 lol wut |
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Jackal Datapaw
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.24 04:36:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:While I prefer moon goo to be removed completely, cheapen them to the detriment of farmers will do nicely too. Null used to be about freedom, then moon goo got implemented, and it turned into farmville. Kill it with fire. +1
Wut. |
Aerich e'Kieron
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.05.24 05:06:00 -
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+1 for Liliana Rahl +1 for Nicolo da'Vicenza I liked your responses <3
Yeah, absolutely terrible idea. So full of "no" I don't know where to begin. Clearly no understanding of the game in these fields. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.24 06:00:00 -
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I think your understanding of the security divide is wrong. High sec is not an area of eve where players can choose to play and expect to be entitled to everything. High sec is not a separate "server" that gets the same things as that other weird 0.0 "server". But but I'm a paying customer too and want all those things... Well then go get them where they are. |
Lord Seth
Shells n'Hell
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:05:00 -
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I did sit with other 0.0 players, whom also have been playing since 03-04, and talked about this before I posted it.
Some of the comments on this thread seem to think I want to mine moons. This was not the case; I want to have more loss high sec wars. Having some isk out in the field that can be destroyed was my approach. Actually being able to set up some kind or risk on the mission runner industrialist part, would cause more real PVP in high sec. So they way it is now, if you war dec a corp, they could all just move systems or not log on. These actions would with this idea in palce make consequences for them moving or not logging on. The rolling sec status with NPC.s must be maintained. If they donGÇÖt keep the NPC standing the tower will be off lined. You then get to blow up the towers.
ItGÇÖs a wonderful idea. Why are so many of you so worried about economy, it will all be fine. Scan them down, war dec them blow up their towers. More war is always good!!!
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Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:25:00 -
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No,
and not because of the null sec income competition silliness (although that is a good reason to say no also)
I have a POS in high sec that I use for research, if your idea were implemented then I would have to GRIND to keep that pos online by playing the game in a way that I hate (PvE)
So no, your idea has ZERO merit. |
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions Solid Foundation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 19:35:00 -
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Lord Seth wrote:Sure they do, thatGÇÖs like saying if you donGÇÖt join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE? You don't deserve the same rewards because you don't face the same risk.
If you lived in a space where every neutral in local can shoot at you without getting concorded then you are allowed to complain about wanting more rewards.
I can see putting moon goo in W-space but not highsec ever. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.05.25 23:50:00 -
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Lord Seth wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"
hth Sure they do,
No they do not. Live in high sec, live with not having all the benefits of living in low or null sec.
If you believe otherwise you don't get this game and how it's structured by CCP. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
shadowblade3
Trade Federation of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:31:00 -
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as ussuall null sec guys have a ram rod so far up there ass they cant move for it ... i know ..ive been there |
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:36:00 -
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shadowblade3 wrote:as ussuall null sec guys have a ram rod so far up there ass they cant move for it ... i know ..ive been there
Right, to be honest all I got out of that was "LOOK MA, I'M ON THE INTERNET". |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:30:00 -
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I have to say, the discussion is kind of pointless as CCP is moving towards making moon minerals be harvestable by ships, instead of towers. This will be done to stop the silly POS spam and stop the almost effortless and absurd enrichment of the large 0.0 alliances (read a select few in the leadership).
Mining in ships will put the risk/reward back into balance and make it an active profession even smaller squads can disturb!
At that point, the real question is if high sec moons have the right goo to make the risk poor mining there competitive with low sec, let alone 0.0. It could very well be so that mining in high sec is perfectly reasonable to allow, just like with ores, without upsetting things like competition in high end moon goo!
As for the discussion about high sec vs 0.0, it's hilarious and stupid. The real danger is and always has been in low sec, but 0.0 people always think they are the ****, it is funny in an unreal way! |
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