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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.07.26 13:29:00 -
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What the f*ck is with all these T2 BPO whine threads, if you cant make a profit from invention, your doing something wrong.
If you want a T2 BPO, save your iskies, sell GTC, and buy one off the sell orders FFS, and quit f*cking whining about thier existance.
In 80% of cases it makes NO difference as to thier existance, has has been discussed in several threads.
CCP have already stated (in an Oveur blog about 2 years ago) that T2 BPO's wouldnt be removed from the game.
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Knitted Character
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Posted - 2009.07.26 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cassiopeia Draco
CCP have already stated (in an Oveur blog about 2 years ago) that T2 BPO's wouldnt be removed from the game.
and they had Ghost Training down as a feature, a selling point of Eve. Wonder how that one ended up.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2009.07.26 18:33:00 -
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Quote: So I have been playing for 3 months. All of the T2 blueprints are gone. The veteran players got to buy them for super cheap and new players have can never make T2 anything unless they buy the blueprint or copy of it for a ridiculous price.
This is one of the things that makes people quit and causes online games to fall. The lack of chance of progression for new players. I hope they fix this but doubt it.
I recommend you simply quit now. Based on your statement, you are upset that we can't all have an equal chance and that people should have the same of everything regardless of what people have put time and isk into.
I, as well as the vast majority of wealthy fanatics in this game, did not play it so you can have some kind of communistic society that pretends to be capitalistic.
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.27 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks Mmm, it was a typo, I meant to say that bpo's should become 1000 (one thousand) run copies. Truer to edit before but my 3G Internet cut out.
100 Runs: About 1.4 days worth of production. 1000 Runs: About 2 weeks of production.
My estimated ISK lost @ T2 BPO's turned into 1000 runs: 400+ billion ISK. Net worth of my assets excluding T2 BPO's and unique ships: Less than 5B ISK Total amount of effort lost due to something completely beyond my control: 4+ years.
Next time you make a comment about something you know very little about, do us all a favor, and do some research. Okay?
What your suggesting is completely obscene. The amount of trust that will be lost with CCP with the high end players would be astronomical. Why bother building ANYTHING in the game if CCP one day comes and wipes it out, after nerfing it significantly already.
The lottery may have not been the best method of distribution, but the T2 BPO's are mostly in the hands of players who put a lot of their effort into acquiring them. If they are made worthless, everyone holding a T2 BPO that they put effort into owning, will probably quit.
Nian Banks, how about we do this, let's take everything that you have acquired since 2005 from the game. Because having those items is unfair to new players, or players who didn't play EVE as much as you did.
We'll leave you with your skillpoints though, for now.
I started getting my T2 BPO's in 2006 and 2007. What stopped you from doing the same thing? I did what was fun and challenging for me, and you did what was fun and challenging for you.
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.07.27 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: amarrian prophet All of the T2 blueprints are gone. The veteran players got to buy them for super cheap and new players have can never make T2 anything unless they buy the blueprint or copy of it for a ridiculous price.
It's a given that people that are still playing when the T2 lottery was running probably have some sweet original blueprints. Fact. Don't get all huffy over it. However, the rest of the above paragraph is patently incorrect.
Originally by: amarrian prophet This is one of the things that makes people quit and causes online games to fall. The lack of chance of progression for new players. I hope they fix this but doubt it.
Again, utter non-sense. First, are you suggesting that you have conducted extensive interviews with player who have quit, and have come to a conclusion about why they quit? Then you're also willing to provide the text of those interviews. Second, what you suggest is not broken; you're merely expressing your laziness over a mechanic that you need to accept if you want to play this game. If not, don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.
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Hamatitio
Caldari Otriad Blitz
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Posted - 2009.07.27 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hamatitio on 27/07/2009 03:31:07 2003 player checking in, having run r&d agents (non ship-giving ones at that) with no blueprint originals to speak of.
Damn :(
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:38:00 -
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So I have been playing for 3 months. All of the Titans are gone. The veteran players got to build them for super cheap and new players have can never get any Titans unless they join a 0.0 alliance or buy one for a ridiculous price.
This is one of the things that makes people quit and causes online games to fall. The lack of chance of progression for new players. I hope they fix this but doubt it.
Now do you see why your argument is so horribly broken it hurts my brain?
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Nian Banks Mmm, it was a typo, I meant to say that bpo's should become 1000 (one thousand) run copies. Truer to edit before but my 3G Internet cut out.
100 Runs: About 1.4 days worth of production. 1000 Runs: About 2 weeks of production.
My estimated ISK lost @ T2 BPO's turned into 1000 runs: 400+ billion ISK. Net worth of my assets excluding T2 BPO's and unique ships: Less than 5B ISK Total amount of effort lost due to something completely beyond my control: 4+ years.
Next time you make a comment about something you know very little about, do us all a favor, and do some research. Okay?
What your suggesting is completely obscene. The amount of trust that will be lost with CCP with the high end players would be astronomical. Why bother building ANYTHING in the game if CCP one day comes and wipes it out, after nerfing it significantly already.
The lottery may have not been the best method of distribution, but the T2 BPO's are mostly in the hands of players who put a lot of their effort into acquiring them. If they are made worthless, everyone holding a T2 BPO that they put effort into owning, will probably quit.
Nian Banks, how about we do this, let's take everything that you have acquired since 2005 from the game. Because having those items is unfair to new players, or players who didn't play EVE as much as you did.
We'll leave you with your skillpoints though, for now.
I started getting my T2 BPO's in 2006 and 2007. What stopped you from doing the same thing? I did what was fun and challenging for me, and you did what was fun and challenging for you.
Ahh and your Emo tears would be sweet indeed, I would cry for you and so would many others, I would jump up and down and say 'woe woe to this poor man', but in truth, Meh. I am sure some people would Emo quit EvE over loosing their T2 BPO's but because they are the wealthy veterans, there just aren't enough of them to make a real blip on CCP's profits.
Ofcourse if you don't like the idea of having your BPO turn into BPC, perhaps it would be a good idea and choose the lesser of the two evils and demand CCP bring back T2 BPO lotteries along side invention.
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Fedman Kasad
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fedman Kasad on 27/07/2009 06:50:13 ops
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Fedman Kasad
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian I demand the Roman Empire be recreated. I, as a new Human, didn't get to see it.
brother ...
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Cathy McSales
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cathy McSales on 27/07/2009 07:44:11 voogru describes pretty well the situation for many players.
Nian Banks: Why don't you go and play C&C or some other game that reset every time you start it. Then you don't need to fear/envy other players ahead of you. I personally hate those kind of game because you have to start over again and again.
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Nian Banks Mmm, it was a typo, I meant to say that bpo's should become 1000 (one thousand) run copies. Truer to edit before but my 3G Internet cut out.
100 Runs: About 1.4 days worth of production. 1000 Runs: About 2 weeks of production.
My estimated ISK lost @ T2 BPO's turned into 1000 runs: 400+ billion ISK. Net worth of my assets excluding T2 BPO's and unique ships: Less than 5B ISK Total amount of effort lost due to something completely beyond my control: 4+ years.
Next time you make a comment about something you know very little about, do us all a favor, and do some research. Okay?
What your suggesting is completely obscene. The amount of trust that will be lost with CCP with the high end players would be astronomical. Why bother building ANYTHING in the game if CCP one day comes and wipes it out, after nerfing it significantly already.
The lottery may have not been the best method of distribution, but the T2 BPO's are mostly in the hands of players who put a lot of their effort into acquiring them. If they are made worthless, everyone holding a T2 BPO that they put effort into owning, will probably quit.
Nian Banks, how about we do this, let's take everything that you have acquired since 2005 from the game. Because having those items is unfair to new players, or players who didn't play EVE as much as you did.
We'll leave you with your skillpoints though, for now.
I started getting my T2 BPO's in 2006 and 2007. What stopped you from doing the same thing? I did what was fun and challenging for me, and you did what was fun and challenging for you.
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cathy McSales Edited by: Cathy McSales on 27/07/2009 07:44:11 voogru describes pretty well the situation for many players.
Nian Banks: Why don't you go and play C&C or some other game that reset every time you start it. Then you don't need to fear/envy other players ahead of you. I personally hate those kind of game because you have to start over again and again.
Tell you what, how about they give me back all my nerfed ships and equipment, I mean I had them back before they got nerfed so why shouldn't I still have them? Its not fair, I mean this is a pervasive linear game and so shouldn't anything I had before be the same as it was when I made it?
No your argument is wrong nublet, if something in the game gets changes and tweaked because it was bad, it should be tweaked completely, not cater for the few rich kids and say stuff you to all the newer players.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks Mmm, it was a typo, I meant to say that bpo's should become 1000 (one thousand) run copies. Truer to edit before but my 3G Internet cut out.
Some day ago a Hulk BPO sold for 14 years of profit (at current prices).
I think it can produce something like 1 hulk/day, so 1.000 runs will not even be near the balance point for the one buying that. It should be something like 5.000 or more for him.
Mostly the balance point in BPC to approximately pay back the cost or value of a T2 BPO is the equivalent of 4-7 years of production. So to make this proposal somewhat balanced the numbers of the substitute BPC should be enough to cover that period. All on the same BPC to avoid a glut of production distorting the market during the initial period.
I don't like the idea, but that is the only way to it could work.
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Nian Banks Mmm, it was a typo, I meant to say that bpo's should become 1000 (one thousand) run copies. Truer to edit before but my 3G Internet cut out.
Some day ago a Hulk BPO sold for 14 years of profit (at current prices).
I think it can produce something like 1 hulk/day, so 1.000 runs will not even be near the balance point for the one buying that. It should be something like 5.000 or more for him.
Mostly the balance point in BPC to approximately pay back the cost or value of a T2 BPO is the equivalent of 4-7 years of production. So to make this proposal somewhat balanced the numbers of the substitute BPC should be enough to cover that period. All on the same BPC to avoid a glut of production distorting the market during the initial period.
I don't like the idea, but that is the only way to it could work.
You know as some say 'life isn't fair' so whats wrong with using the same excuse and say 'poor you, your expensive bpo is not worth half as much as what you paid. Life just isn't fair...'?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks
Originally by: Cathy McSales Edited by: Cathy McSales on 27/07/2009 07:44:11 voogru describes pretty well the situation for many players.
Nian Banks: Why don't you go and play C&C or some other game that reset every time you start it. Then you don't need to fear/envy other players ahead of you. I personally hate those kind of game because you have to start over again and again.
Tell you what, how about they give me back all my nerfed ships and equipment, I mean I had them back before they got nerfed so why shouldn't I still have them? Its not fair, I mean this is a pervasive linear game and so shouldn't anything I had before be the same as it was when I made it?
No your argument is wrong nublet, if something in the game gets changes and tweaked because it was bad, it should be tweaked completely, not cater for the few rich kids and say stuff you to all the newer players.
Your ship were removed? Turned to undock 10 times then self destruct?
Or the stats of those ships where simply changed, sometime in positive, sometime in negative ways?
T2 BPO were(indirectly) changed by invention, changing the good ones from money printing machines to decent rewarding activities.
The bad ones, those where the demand is low, weren't changed at all, as the demand is still covered mostly by BPO owners as before invention and the price is so low that a BPO owner get a 4-5% return from his activity.
So the BPO changed in exactly the same way your ships changed, the BPO is still there, a related game mechanic changed and the item is way less powerful than before.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Ministers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 09:29:00 -
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I completely agree with the OP, Everyone in this game should be able to get all the top end gear and untold isk within the first month or two of the game just by grinding the crud out of it.
While we're at it, you should be able to grind skill training faster to, maybe based on the amount of stuff you kill?
Oh and this space ship lark, that's all a bit old hat, they should make it so I can run around and watch my cute arse bouncing up and down... or maybe I could ride a dinosaur... or a horse
Maybe through a desert... or a snowy mountain or a loverly forest.
That'd be wonderful the could call it planet of battle fabrication....
oooooo get how cranky I am this morning :P
T2 BPO's are over rated, although I did do the same when I started, BPO's are far too much like pokemon... I have to get them all. --
If there's no profit to be made you need to travel further afield.
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Smokin' Dragon
Holy Grail Construction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:19:00 -
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Test Server is that way ------->
everything is only 1 isk :), even titans....
now you dont have to compete with anyone, you just have to turn up and achieve what?
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Elrinarie
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:39:00 -
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I remember the days before invention when hulks were almost a billion isk each and the cap rechargers were 20m a piece.
Thank god the days of the t2 bpo cartels are over honestly --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks Ofcourse if you don't like the idea of having your BPO turn into BPC, perhaps it would be a good idea and choose the lesser of the two evils and demand CCP bring back T2 BPO lotteries along side invention.
Yup, let's bring back the T2 BPO lottery, if invention was barely workable before, it WILL be dead sooner rather than later, and we'd love that. Or maybe not ?
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks Ahh and your Emo tears would be sweet indeed, I would cry for you and so would many others, I would jump up and down and say 'woe woe to this poor man', but in truth, Meh. I am sure some people would Emo quit EvE over loosing their T2 BPO's but because they are the wealthy veterans, there just aren't enough of them to make a real blip on CCP's profits.
Well, now we know what you're really after.
CCP wouldn't lose just those 'wealthy veterans', the vets will quit, and then newer players that want to build up wealth rather than blowing ships out of the sky all day won't really trust CCP anymore, because anything they build up on in the game in their own hangars may one day just be outright taken from them if newer players come along and decide that it's no fair.
Your ships were nerfed, not removed. Not turned into different ships. T2 BPO's were nerfed (INVENTION), not removed. Not turned into BPCS.
Looks fine to me, go play Counter-Stike where the game resets every 3 minutes.
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Knitted Character [ and they had Ghost Training down as a feature, a selling point of Eve. Wonder how that one ended up.
ghost training was a feature? proof please
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 27/07/2009 18:25:15
Originally by: Knitted Character
Originally by: Cassiopeia Draco
CCP have already stated (in an Oveur blog about 2 years ago) that T2 BPO's wouldnt be removed from the game.
and they had Ghost Training down as a feature, a selling point of Eve. Wonder how that one ended up.
Actualy they did not.
In fact when the Goverment of China more or less forced them to create serenity(and then allowed Chinese players to play on either server) it launched without ghost training.(in fact it cuts off training the instant your account expired)
Also, unfortunatly, if you want your analogy to work you would have to say "not only did they nerf ghost training they also went back and retroactivly removed skills all earned by ghost training"
Bascialy CCP* is not going to go in and take away anything that people already have. that would be a bad buisness practice. the closest analog to removing T2 BPOs is for an apartment complex manager to go into the apartments and take out the built in dishwashers and microwave because you already have a stove/oven and a sink in the kitchen.
And lets face it, right now People who own T2 bpos are being a bit silly as I doubt that most of them did not get them in the original loto. and yes we know that some people do have the bpos that they won way back then, good on ya mate! you own a piece of overpriced merchandice that sells for more than you will probably ever make from owning it!) since they bought them for years worth of profits when they could have used the cash on hand for other things that CCP is going to drop on your lap sooner or later.
and sooner or later the reality will be that T3 will end up pushing the "top end" buyers from the T2 items they are ment to displace, forceing T2 manufacturers to increasingly have to sell to people further down the pole of "ISK Per week earned" totem pole.
and that, ironicaly, will make the T2 bpos even more worthless compared to the prices that people will be expected to pay to "own" one.
*They Dont like nerfs and they dont like taking away things people worked to get, they let you guys do that to eachother via industrial espiange and other forms of PvP behavious
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:40:00 -
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If you want to b*tch and whine then complain about the current usage amounts and disparity of moon goo.
All invention did is shift the bottleneck from the prints to the moons, and with two moons accounting for nearly 3/4s of all T2 material usage.... well you get the idea why hardly anyone cares about the northern regions and Delve is where its at. |
Kennys Zombie
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria If you want to b*tch and whine then complain about the current usage amounts and disparity of moon goo.
All invention did is shift the bottleneck from the prints to the moons, and with two moons accounting for nearly 3/4s of all T2 material usage.... well you get the idea why hardly anyone cares about the northern regions and Delve is where its at.
Contrary to popular belief, there are regions with more dyspro moons than delve.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.28 02:21:00 -
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Lets face it, right now T2 BPOs are not being bought and sole for there current vaule, its for their "future rarity" value.
the people who buy them are basicaly hopeing that at some point down the road they will be able to sell that BPO and recoop the investment, and a bit of cash on the side.
the reality in my opinion is that right now T3 is intended to be the toys for the top 1-16.6% while T2 takes over for the folowing 1 in three and the rest make due with T1 and named
however eventualy they will run out of new T3 toys and then they will become the secondary 20% while t2 gets compacted down to the next to the botom 30% and T1 is crushed into the bottom 40%, and so on in a never ending cycle of compation ratios as T4 gives way to T5 gives way to T6 as the game goes on and on and on.
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amarrian prophet
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Posted - 2009.07.28 07:12:00 -
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Actualy this was something that I thought I could make some veterans angry about and get some info about. Turns out I cant delete it and now im a permeate Newblet
Im not for bringing back the lottery. i read more about it and read all the reply's
"Your ships were nerfed, not removed. Not turned into different ships. T2 BPO's were nerfed (INVENTION), not removed. Not turned into BPCS." this is correct
Whoever thinks that your best friend CCP wont Nerf anything and will line the pockets of Veteran players forever is naive to say the least. Just don't let to much ride on it incase of a nerf is all im saying. My little thread didn't help you guys though. Sory
Dam didn't expect it to blow up like this. jeez. I really hit a nerve
The one and only Prophet
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Forranz
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.07.28 08:50:00 -
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Let's burn the market and have a random T2 BPO or three added to the market every expansion.
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lo breeze
LB's Hole Mongers
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Posted - 2009.07.28 18:16:00 -
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How embarrasing to have to go back and edit out all your posts.... lulz
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.28 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kennys Zombie
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria If you want to b*tch and whine then complain about the current usage amounts and disparity of moon goo.
All invention did is shift the bottleneck from the prints to the moons, and with two moons accounting for nearly 3/4s of all T2 material usage.... well you get the idea why hardly anyone cares about the northern regions and Delve is where its at.
Contrary to popular belief, there are regions with more dyspro moons than delve.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.07.29 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: mr passie Edited by: mr passie on 25/07/2009 09:23:12
old player who never was able to buy a t2 bpo checking in.
please do a bit more research
also t2 production isn't n00b industry, its elite industry
My spreadsheet aims to make T2 production easier to do.
Not because it is easier - it is, you just need to know how many units of everything you need every x weeks.
I love invention.
I'm having a bit of trouble in what to display as the production cost for the T2 run - do you include the build/purchase price of the T1 item or not? Me hell yeah, slightly more complicated to explain in spreadsheet format but meh.
My signature is text base highlight copy and paste in a tab window. I will only use download links in my own thread.
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