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Mijano
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:28:00 -
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Accordingly to faction warfare, Gallente Federation is at war with Caldari State and their allies Amarr Empire. Why would Caldari State ally themselves with Amarr? I just don't see it. I can see Gallente and Minmatar hold hands because Gallente Federation has the mind of the UN and the hypocrisy of America, but why would Caldari State even need Amarr? They share no ideological point of views (Amarr favor blood and hierarchy while Caldari would never put the individual before the many; it's alien to them) and Caldari State can hold their own.
I'd also like to know when peace within the empires ceased because faction warfare is all out war. I may have missed something so I will not turn to too much annoyance, but everything I have read from CONCORD to Caldari-Gallente war points to faction warfare being ludicrous if we would look at it from a lore point of view. |
Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
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Posted - 2012.05.24 12:20:00 -
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Maybe you are familiar with a proverb "enemy of my enemy is my friend" Gallente are allied against Amarr with Minmatar thus putting Amarr in political and maybe tactical disadvantage. So id imagine you could see higher officers thinking once the Gallente and Minmatar are finished with Amarr they'd go after Caldari.
As you are aware there are those in Gallente federation that believe Caldari should be intergrated into Gallente federation what ever they like it or not. As a result we have this lovely stalemate, Amarr with Caldari vs Minmatar with Gallente not to mention animosities that go both ways in faction warfare.
Ideologies might not aling but circumstances make being allied far more viable option than standing alone. |
Paintchk
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
17
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:24:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:Maybe you are familiar with a proverb "enemy of my enemy is my friend" Gallente are allied against Amarr with Minmatar thus putting Amarr in political and maybe tactical disadvantage. So id imagine you could see higher officers thinking once the Gallente and Minmatar are finished with Amarr they'd go after Caldari.
As you are aware there are those in Gallente federation that believe Caldari should be intergrated into Gallente federation what ever they like it or not. As a result we have this lovely stalemate, Amarr with Caldari vs Minmatar with Gallente not to mention animosities that go both ways in faction warfare.
Ideologies might not aling but circumstances make being allied far more viable option than standing alone.
Aye. But if the Amarr did destroy both the Republic or the Federation they wouldn't hesititate to attack the Caldari since they want to rule EVE. But if they were smart they would stay away from the Joves because we all know how that ended. Though most Empires have ties to them. Except the Amarr. |
Mijano
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:50:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:Maybe you are familiar with a proverb "enemy of my enemy is my friend" Gallente are allied against Amarr with Minmatar thus putting Amarr in political and maybe tactical disadvantage. So id imagine you could see higher officers thinking once the Gallente and Minmatar are finished with Amarr they'd go after Caldari.
As you are aware there are those in Gallente federation that believe Caldari should be intergrated into Gallente federation what ever they like it or not. As a result we have this lovely stalemate, Amarr with Caldari vs Minmatar with Gallente not to mention animosities that go both ways in faction warfare.
Ideologies might not aling but circumstances make being allied far more viable option than standing alone. You speak sense, but like the guy above me said; Caldari cannot trust the Amarr, but of course, war is complicated.
I guess what really bugs me is that no new lore has come out which explains all this. It doesn't have to be a chronicle. I'd be completely satisfied with a news report written from a New Eden perspective. Let me try:
"ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
CONCORD has lost its purpose and is no more. Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic has declared war upon Caldari State which is now allied with Amarr Empire. Jovians has seen it fit to remain neutral, or perhaps they're just not interested. The first launch of attack hit Caldarian shores with a tremendous power and Caldarian retaliation was swift. The battle of New Eden has begun. May the gods bless our ships." |
Mijano
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:54:00 -
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What I really want to remind you all about is that accordingly to "EVE ONLINE OLD INTRO" the empires live in "relative peace", but faction warfare states that there is a WAR going on (not small groups from the different factions fighting, but WAR). I just don't get it. When did peace cease to exist and how could this possibly be a CONCORD sanctioned war when the CONCORD exist for the purpose of meddling between the empires? |
Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage Amarr 7th Fleet
66
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Posted - 2012.05.24 18:17:00 -
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When the Empyrean Age expansion came out, it thought it was made very clear that the Emergency Militia War Powers act - the act which authorized the creation of the militias, and the mechanics we know as FW - was designed to keep the Big 4 pacified by allowing them some border warring and keeping things from escalating into all-out war.
Unfortunately, since then it's essentially been rewritten into some kind of a half-war or war of attrition, with navies rolling out for critical moments of PLOT! such as the battle in Amamake in Templar One, but not deploying their full strength in a reasonable manner (especially since, for the Amarr at least, their war strategy can be summed up as "throw the entire fleet at the enemy until the problem goes away"). |
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2012.05.24 18:25:00 -
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Circumstances and necessity make for strange allies (1) (2) |
Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
288
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:12:00 -
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Esna Pitoojee wrote:When the Empyrean Age expansion came out, it thought it was made very clear that the Emergency Militia War Powers act - the act which authorized the creation of the militias, and the mechanics we know as FW - was designed to keep the Big 4 pacified by allowing them some border warring and keeping things from escalating into all-out war.
Unfortunately, since then it's essentially been rewritten into some kind of a half-war or war of attrition, with navies rolling out for critical moments of PLOT! such as the battle in Amamake in Templar One, but not deploying their full strength in a reasonable manner (especially since, for the Amarr at least, their war strategy can be summed up as "throw the entire fleet at the enemy until the problem goes away"). This is how I've always seen it as well. None of the factions are interested in an all-out total war. Perhaps because the powers are too balanced, and no faction or alliance has a reasonable chance to achieve a decisive win. Besides that, there's the inter-faction economy to think about. Apparently inter-faction commerce is worth enough to all four factions that they jointly support CONCORD. I think the Interbus is also semi-public project of all four factions. (Correct me if I'm wrong there). Otherwise, how can it be explained that Amarr stations can be found within Minmatar high sec space?
But even with all there trans-border commerce going on, the ethnic tensions are still there (Minmatar hatred of Amarr, Caldari hatred of Gallente). So they allow Faction Warfare as an outlet for the young bucks and the real zealots. Kind of a Cold War situation, but with some skirmishing as an emotional outlet. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:00:00 -
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The Amarr are also starting to open up to foreign trade for the first time in... well, ever. The Caldari are trying to encourage this, because the Amarr are the largest of the four empires, and that means lots of potential money to be made. The Caldari can hold their own to a point, but keep in mind that they are the smallest of the four empires. They need all the help they can get. |
Hail Goddess
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:42:00 -
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Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate thier own or control another people to create some sort of empire.
The war with the Gallente is personal and has alot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal).
There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari @ war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr.
The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. |
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:12:00 -
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Mijano wrote:What I really want to remind you all about is that accordingly to "EVE ONLINE OLD INTRO" the empires live in "relative peace", but faction warfare states that there is a WAR going on (not small groups from the different factions fighting, but WAR). I just don't get it. When did peace cease to exist and how could this possibly be a CONCORD sanctioned war when CONCORD exists for the purpose of meddling between the empires?
There is a loop hole that explains why the conflict remains. Essentially the war is only lawful in those FW regions that players can conquer in-game.
The fiction behind it is explained in the novel EVE: Empyrean Age Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
9
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:23:00 -
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Storywise it goes back to the end of caldari gallente war when the amar attacked Jove. The massive and crushing defeat of the amarr allowed minamtar to rebel, with help of gallente supplies.
Gallente were winning the war, economically nothing could withstand gallente juggernaut economy. Amarr feared the federation and the alliance with Caldari was the obvious way to stablize the status quo and send the political message that amar empire was not happy on the prospect of being solo against gallente economy fueling infinite troops from minmatar population with the added problem of a possible grudge from Jove.
Caldari simply needed all the support they could get from the empire.
So basically the main issue is the gallente supoer power not be allowed to push total dominance trough economic prowess. |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
9
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:46:00 -
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Mijano wrote:What I really want to remind you all about is that accordingly to "EVE ONLINE OLD INTRO" the empires live in "relative peace", but faction warfare states that there is a WAR going on (not small groups from the different factions fighting, but WAR). I just don't get it. When did peace cease to exist and how could this possibly be a CONCORD sanctioned war when CONCORD exists for the purpose of meddling between the empires?
Basically, the minamtar elders returned armed with a thukker fleet that somehow is capable of bridging and jumping dreads into cyno japmmed systems. Thukkers bridge a massisve captial fleet into yulay and kick concord asses. That disable the High sec protections for several hours.
Amarr appear with a salvaged weapon from Earth that can wipe entire fleets. Caldari uses the mess of a crippled concord to invade gallente space. With a titan over caldari prime they keep billions of gallente that lived there in check. When concord rises again the tensions are too big to make everyone settle. Also they know they cannot really stop either the magical thukker dreads that can pop anywhere and they do not know that the amarr have only 1 of such super weapons.
The status quo is a massive economy juggernaut on the gallente side that is kept incheck by the prospect of widespread extermination of gallente in caldari prime. Ammar have a super weapon t hat can defeat any fleet on direct confrontation. Minmatar can appear anywhere with a lot of dreads and lay waste to a system before any reaction can be made.
Concord know they cannot keep that under control if all out war starts.
So the best thing to do is to allow limited warfare to prevent massive conflict.
Btw all taht happened during an amazing 12 hours dfowntime where we were feeded live with news of the events :) |
Shou Kaukonen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.02 19:36:00 -
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Hail Goddess wrote:Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate thier own or control another people to create some sort of empire.
The war with the Gallente is personal and has alot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal).
There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari @ war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr.
The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted.
I've found it interesting as well that the empires seem to fall into two separate camps regarding faction relations - the Amarr and Gallente operate under a seeming obligation to spread their way of life to other cultures (Through force if necessary, though the Amarr are of course more brutal about it), where the big Caldari and Minmatar wars were fought so they could be left alone.
The point about Caldari generally not caring about religion/culture is correct in that business comes before cultural considerations, but it also must be remembered that the average caldari is xenophobic as hell (see the Caldari/Gallente war and the story behind the founding of Mordu's Legion). Thus it makes a kind of sense to be allied with the Amarr, as the idea of a unified culture with a powerful hierarchy is more 'Caldari-like', while the highly independent Minmatar and multicultural Gallente probably seem like active threats to the Caldari way of life.
Also, there is the fact that the Caldari are literally the only empire the Amarr didn't try to subjugate, so there's no bad blood there. The Gallente, by contrast, bombed their homeworld into a radioactive cinder. The Minmatar, while probably reasonably respected by the Caldari, are nonetheless allied with the people who bombed their homeworld into a radioactive cinder, which I can only assume makes things awkward at diplomatic functions.
Also, a cool way the game reflects the respective size and power of the empires is through territory (probably obvious to most, but it took awhile for me to notice =/) Amarrian culture (counting Khanid and Derelik) has a huge sphere of influence, something like 9 regions. Gallente is second, with 6 (I think). Then the Caldari, who only have 4 and the Minmatar with 3. Since more territory indicates (or supplies) more resources and power, it's easy to see that the Minmatar and Caldari, though more inclined to see to their own affairs and ignore galactic politics, had to recognize that an enemy alliance could mean the end of their dearly-bought independence.
Also, since the Caldari are so ruthlessly results-focused, they are the only empire that might turn a blind eye to the whole 'brutal treatment of the lower classes' and 'massive, institutionalized slavery' thing. The Amarr, for their part, probably find the Caldari notion of 'results first, people/culture second' much more agreeable than the Gallente and Minmatar tendency to call them out on their innumerable human rights abuses. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
42
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:41:00 -
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Mijano wrote:What I really want to remind you all about is that accordingly to "EVE ONLINE OLD INTRO" the empires live in "relative peace", but faction warfare states that there is a WAR going on (not small groups from the different factions fighting, but WAR). I just don't get it. When did peace cease to exist and how could this possibly be a CONCORD sanctioned war when CONCORD exists for the purpose of meddling between the empires?
Because the empires lived in a relative peace... Then faction warfare started and they don't anymore. That's why they removed the old intro (I guess).
Also, FW is a war between capsuleers, figthing in the name of the empires. It's stated many times in the books. Empires live a cold war situation, profiting here and there from the skirmishes. |
Lucius Vindictus
Samarkand Financial
78
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:48:00 -
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The empires seem to be relatively evenly matched, so none of them can dominate the others on their own strength.
The Gallente give a lot of development aid the Minmatar and supplied arms to them during the rebellion and after. The gallenteans also seemed to have had a big hand in the early development of the Republic, and a lot of Republic institutions were modeled after Gallentean ones. There are also a lot of Minmatar residing in the Federation, making it a big voting bloc. This alliance seems more natural than that of their enemies, though it is implied in the lore that there is at least some resentment in the Republic who consider the Gallenteans to be somewhat overbearing. It seems that under Shakor the Minmatar are currently rediscovering the culture that had been so brutally been robbed from the by the Amarrians. I think that gradually they will make their own way into the world and their paths may diverge. Maybe we'll even see a revival of the Minmatar Empire as it was known before the Amarrians destroyed it. That would be a formidable force I think. In the meantime the Caldari have alienated themselves from the Minmatar by trading heavily with the Amarrians. The Caldari are unashamed and openly profit from Amarrian slavery and even take it to the next level through innovations like TCMC's. Some of the more interesting player RP developments I've seen recently illustrated this when Ishuk-Raata tried to reach out to Republic loyalists and this proved to be an insurmountable obstacle.
The Amarr and Caldari on the other hands have joined forces out of necessity. The only things that bind them are the militray threat posed by the Gallentean-Minmatar alliance and the highly profitable trade between the State and the Empire and it's satellite states. The Amarr are described as being the most powerful in the military sense, but they also have a huge Empire to protect and suffered humiliating defeats in recent centuries. They are still in a collective shock after the Jovian war, which totally changed their approach of: "when opposition is met, hammer it until it dies". Now they start to understand the need for patience and restraint, but their ultimate goal of reclaiming the entire cluster hasn't changed. Their methods are becoming more insidious now, like freeing slaves in order to flood the republic with educated immigrants who have never known anything but the Amarr Religion as unwitting missionaries. The Caldari fully understand that the Empire would turn on them the very moment they would gain the upper hand, so their military doctrine seems to be based on being able to taking any of the Empires on at any given time.
The struggle between the four empires is what interests me most about the lore, but what irks me is the role that Concord plays in it all. I had secretly hoped that the attack on their HQ in Yulai at the beginning of the Empyrean expansion would see it gradually destroyed, and replaced with Empire inspired "super police" forces with the same powers but a different coat. But I suppose that this would have been a lot of effort and overly complicated things... |
Sir Scarecrow
The Scope Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:23:00 -
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Well, in faction warefare Caldari are not allied to Amarr, Amarr call Caldari "Unofficial Wartargets". |
Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:50:00 -
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Hail Goddess wrote:Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate thier own or control another people to create some sort of empire.
The war with the Gallente is personal and has alot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal).
There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari @ war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr.
The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted.
This^
Also. Caldari and Amarr are not allied. Thier just not @ war with each other. |
Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:29:00 -
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Major Killz wrote: Also. Caldari and Amarr are not allied. Thier just not @ war with each other.
This is not accurate: they definitely are allied, both in the FW sense and in the lore. We have lots of news stories and in fact if you read the Amarr wiki article you'll see that the Amarr basically see the Caldari as a tool to forestall the Gallente economic juggernaut. |
Lingfei Wen
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:12:00 -
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Amarr and Caldari is not allied.
"Enemy of enemy is my friend" is quite accurate to describe their relation.
Don't forget when Khanid splited from Amarr, Caldari is more "allied" with Khanid Kingdom. Despite the relation between Khanid II and Caldari, Caldari dun want Amarr growing too strong from their point of view. I think their relationship is not that close. |
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Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage Amarr 7th Fleet
72
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Allies of convenience are still allies, and the Amarr/Caldari link is definitely an alliance. |
Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:39:00 -
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Casiella Truza wrote:Major Killz wrote: Also. Caldari and Amarr are not allied. Thier just not @ war with each other.
This is not accurate: they definitely are allied, both in the FW sense and in the lore. We have lots of news stories and in fact if you read the Amarr wiki article you'll see that the Amarr basically see the Caldari as a tool to forestall the Gallente economic juggernaut.
So, not allies? There was nothing in your comments that refutes my statements. |
Shou Kaukonen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:21:00 -
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Major, admittedly you may have a point. The Amarr and Caldari aren't close allies in the same sense as the Minmatar and Gallente - Amarr still wants to conquer the cluster and Caldari would really be happier if it could expunge all foreign influences on its culture. Despite this, they have definitely acknowledged that even if they don't really like each other, they do need to act civil and cooperate for now. So if it walks like an alliance, quacks like an alliance, and makes war in an alliance-like fashion...well, it could still just be two empires that kinda hate each other. But as long as they hate each other less than they hate everyone else, it's close enough. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
126
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:36:00 -
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Just because there are cultural similarities does not necessarily mean there will always be an alliance, as per Caldari/Minmatar.
The Caldari and Amarr are military and economic allies, whereas the Gallente and Minmatar are also social, political and cultural allies as well. Both the Gallente and Minmatar value individual freedom, and are highly expressionist in their arts (tattoos and bodymodding etc).
The Caldari and Amarr are also both 'control' societies that demand unquestioning loyalty to the central government. It's also not as simple as "The Gallente bombed the Caldari, therefore the Caldari are natural allies to the Minmatar". The Caldari were the first to commit violence against Gallente nationals. The dispute was also between the Federation Senate and the Caldari corporations, not necessarily the Gallente and Caldari people. Meanwhile, while the Gallente, Intaki and Mannar all banded together to colonize space as one, the Caldari selfishly (arguably) decided to horde a sector of space to their own. It's not that clear-cut as the Amarr enslavement of Minmatar. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
0
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Posted - 2012.06.16 09:48:00 -
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The difference between a Corporate State and Classic Feudalism is simply the amount of paperwork involved. A billionaire's children will be no more lacking for wealth & free time than those of a hereditary Marquis.
Both the Ammar & Caldari believe in strong states backed by a strong military, we both have a well-defined hierarchy and expect perfect loyalty from our subjects & citizens (respectively). Compare that to the anarchistic tendencies of both the Gallente and, evne moreso, the Minmatar and you can see that while on the surface our societies seem different, underneath it we have the same foundations & very similar beliefs.
In other words, if you replace "God" with "Money" and "Slave" with "Wage-Slave" then the Ammar & Caldari become practically interchangeable.
Plus our ships designs compliment each other perfectly: One side favors strong armor, the other strong shields. One uses the most powerful (yet expensive) of weapon systems, the other the weakest (but most cost effective). One is completely lacking in ECM capability, the other excels at it. Together we create balance. |
Shou Kaukonen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.06.16 17:49:00 -
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I'm not sure I can really agree with the above. I see your point about how Amarr and Caldari lifestyles are interchangeable - from a position of the commoner's standard of living. The attitude, however, differs quite a bit...I'd say that they have more superficially in common than they do in their foundations. For example: nobody expects the Ammarian slave caste to be happy with their lot in life. They're slaves and heathens, of course they're unhappy. With the Caldari, though, even the lowest-ranking cogs in the corporate machine are subject to the morals of a meritocracy - yes, life sucks, but you're PART OF the system, not just owned by it (though it does still own you). If you didn't suck/were willing to put in the effort, you wouldn't be a low-ranking cog, so put up or shut up. This is a stark contrast with the very rigid Ammarian hierarchy where, unless there is a very convincing mitigating circumstance, your entire life is determined by your birth. Also, nobody really expects a slave to be loyal to their keepers, but it definitely IS expected that every Caldari is loyal to the state above all else. Basically, I guess I conceive of the Caldari ethos (in intent, if not always in practice) as being like an ill-tempered grandpa that smacks you upside the head for screwing up, because he thinks that's the only way you'll learn. Amarrian ethos seems more like that of a bully who regularly beats you up and takes your stuff because he thinks he deserves it more than you. Or, one is brutal but at least allows you to try and prove yourself, where the other is just brutal because **** you. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:38:00 -
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While Amarr has intention to converting everyone to single religion, and Caldari are secluded and protective to their lifestyle, naturally they could be enemies. But, taking into account long peaceful trade history and common enemy of Federation-Republic conglomerate, they have to become allies to deal with the threat. This indeed resembles WWII scenario, when UK allied with USSR against Third Reich. Two different cultures, two different goals, one common enemy. Need to say more? |
Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
14
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Posted - 2012.06.18 07:44:00 -
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Also good to remember that the Caldari system - at least in the propaganda - isn't entirely run by money. There's no American dream to get rich, at least not for the most of the work force. I would assume that at least the Patriots (Kaalakiota-Lai Dai-Wiyrkomi and their subidiaries) use heavily nationalistic propaganda - so they are more like a military dictatorship which just happens to be governed as a megacorporation. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
374
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:18:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:While Amarr has intention to converting everyone to single religion, and Caldari are secluded and protective to their lifestyle, naturally they could be enemies. But, taking into account long peaceful trade history and common enemy of Federation-Republic conglomerate, they have to become allies to deal with the threat. This indeed resembles WWII scenario, when UK allied with USSR against Third Reich. Two different cultures, two different goals, one common enemy. Need to say more?
Eh, that's reaching too far into history. It's a lot simpler to use a modern example. The Amarr are a pastor from Alabama. The Caldari are a businessman from Texas. The Minmatar are a black dude in Detroit, and the Gallente are a gay guy from San Francisco. First two vote republican, second two vote democrat, and both sides hate one another. |
Eko'mo
Eko Research Institute
21
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:34:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:While Amarr has intention to converting everyone to single religion, and Caldari are secluded and protective to their lifestyle, naturally they could be enemies. But, taking into account long peaceful trade history and common enemy of Federation-Republic conglomerate, they have to become allies to deal with the threat. This indeed resembles WWII scenario, when UK allied with USSR against Third Reich. Two different cultures, two different goals, one common enemy. Need to say more?
I think this about sums it up really. Once the common enemy is defeated (Third Reich / Gallente) you can bet they will turn on each other.
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Eh, that's reaching too far into history. It's a lot simpler to use a modern example. The Amarr are a pastor from Alabama. The Caldari are a businessman from Texas. The Minmatar are a black dude in Detroit, and the Gallente are a gay guy from San Francisco. First two vote republican, second two vote democrat, and both sides hate one another.
haha how is that simpler!? A comparison to global historical events that are common knowledge to the western world or your very impenetrable references specific to one country.
I love how you guys think! http://ekolikecrayons.wordpress.com/about/ |
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