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Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.06.18 23:20:00 -
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Llyandrian wrote:Circumstances and necessity make for strange allies ( 1) ( 2)
Why would the Caldari State ally themselves with Amarr?
Is the assumption is that the reclaiming requires war, a fortiori. The choice to ally yourself with the Amarr or not? There is this temptation to see faction war as ideological, most of you have not, rightly in my view, because the object of power is power, and war is implied, economically required and arbitrary. This explains why many have looked to the mechanics, or the legal apparatus, for the explanation.
As telegraph Sam said GÇ£None of the factions are interested in an all-out total warGÇ¥ but not because no one side can achieve a decisive victory. Of course no side should win.
I agree with Llyandrian that GÇ£Circumstances and necessity make for strange alliesGÇ¥, but this ducks the question, because even if you simply say: this one possible stable configuration, you havenGÇÖt penetrated to the why, GÇ£Why would the Caldari State ally themselves with Amarr?GÇ¥, except to say that it was implied by a stronger claim of necessity. So even though itGÇÖs a fiction, you are required to look at the ideological antagonisms, the cultural narrative. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:09:00 -
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Eko'mo wrote:haha how is that simpler!? A comparison to global historical events that are common knowledge to the western world or your very impenetrable references specific to one country.
I love how you guys think!
"You guys?" I'm Polish-Canadian. |
Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
38
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:19:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Eh, that's reaching too far into history. It's a lot simpler to use a modern example. The Amarr are a pastor from Alabama. The Caldari are a businessman from Texas. The Minmatar are a black dude in Detroit, and the Gallente are a gay guy from San Francisco. First two vote republican, second two vote democrat, and both sides hate one another.
Or the Amarr is the a Takfiri Iman, the Caldari is Post-Maoist Chinese, the Gallente is Eurotrash and the Minmatar is from Colombia. |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.06.21 09:47:00 -
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Eko does have a point. It's a given that a sizeable majority of the world's pop. has never heard of Alabama, never mind care less. San Francisco* is perhaps better known, globally. As for Republican and Democrat, well, let's not go there. Just two poltical parties of hundreds, world-wide, albeit powerful ones.
It's like the dreadful 'Family Guy' series: you're forced to have wikipedia open to understand the constant 'witty/satirical' 'flashback' references to U.S. cultural icons or whoever is the butt of the current joke. This may of course be the fault of the importers and distributors of various countries, rather than the writers and producers of Family guy -but it's still irritation of the highest magnitude.
And no, I can't turn the bloody thing off because someone in the household actually likes Family Guy.
Evet Morrel wrote: "... the Amarr are Saudi Arabian Takfiri, the Caldari are the Post-Maoist Chinese, the Gallente are Eurotrash and the Minmatar are Colombian - neither the Saudi nor Chinese have the vote and it doesn't matter how the Euro and Colombian vote."
There. This is more transmitable to a global audience; less of a speed-bump as it were.
*Peter Griffin says: "Karl Malden!" Oo I got that one, no need for wikipedia this time around! Prawnscape: Torment |
Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
40
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:07:00 -
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Ssakaa wrote:Edited to add: This isn't an anti-U.S. bash: Quite to the contrary. Since we're referencing world history here, some of us are aware of which countries kept the peace in western europe, of which I am a resident, for many decades. Current EUSSR revisionist nonsense would have everyone believe otherwise.
EUSSR, IGÇÖd never heard this before. I imagine Europe as the pattern for the Federation though certainly. I hear what you're saying about Family Guy. I used to teach English I'd encourage them to read the paper, anyway I was always impressed their choices FT, Times, Independent, Guardian etc. until they pointed out to me how they'd love to be able to read the Sun (a list of tabloids) but they just could understand the idioms. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
115
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Posted - 2012.07.07 15:04:00 -
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Someones at CCP was\is a big history buff.. It is readily apparent in the Fiction.. World history at that.. He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it.. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
115
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Posted - 2012.07.07 15:08:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: "You guys?" I'm Polish-Canadian.
In the grander scheme, that's American, too.. |
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:09:00 -
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War. War never changes.......... My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :) |
Kirjava
E X C E P T I O N Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.07.08 02:12:00 -
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Yes war changes, we don't die, we are briefly inconvenienced by respawn lag but we still have our wallet, memories and are more often than not slightly miffed at the whole thing. That's why we Emperyeans are loathed by the masses, war has changed. For us. And only us.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
66
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:29:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Eh, that's reaching too far into history. It's a lot simpler to use a modern example. The Amarr are a pastor from Alabama. The Caldari are a businessman from Texas. The Minmatar are a black dude in Detroit, and the Gallente are a gay guy from San Francisco. First two vote republican, second two vote democrat, and both sides hate one another. With all due respect, this tells me nothing
Eko'mo wrote:I think this about sums it up really. Once the common enemy is defeated (Third Reich / Gallente) you can bet they will turn on each other. I don't think so. USSR with UK were enemies before WWII, mainly because USSR left the Entente and signed separated peace with Germany during WWI (who lost after that), cancelled all debts and economical obligations of previous government, pissing off everyone around. But after WWII it gained some supporters and formed formidable military bloc. Unlike this, Amarr with Caldari had peaceful and profitable economical ties before the war, so there is no reason for them to turn against each other. Caldari do not strive to capture everything around and they can easily make enemies amongst themselves as 'healthy' corporation competitions. And Amarr will have much more 'not-converted' to the religion entities around, including new governments that will result from former Federation and Republic. |
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