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Munchees
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Posted - 2009.07.27 04:53:00 -
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Why haven't these companies been shut down or made into smaller companies? As it is the only cards you can hope to game with these days are nVidia or ATI video cards.
Do developers get paid to specifically make their games for those two companies? If you don't have a card made by those companies (even if it's a new model), chances are you won't be able to run any of the games today.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.27 04:57:00 -
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Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill. Besides ATI and Nvidia license off the tech to scores of secondary producers who can then make an oem card or tweak it out with thier own stuff. What about intel and amd?
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees
Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
If they are then its against several national and international trade regulations so it would have to be a tinfoil hat affair. Are you saying that the illuminati are at work here?
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Box Kicker
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Munchees
Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
If they are then its against several national and international trade regulations so it would have to be a tinfoil hat affair. Are you saying that the illuminati are at work here?
no...its the lizard people...duh
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Haydee Onna
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:18:00 -
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Technically they are an oligopoly, seeing as monopoly kind of implies that there is only one of them. And how many companies would you want developing GPUs anyway? It's not like three or four companies would be any different. Besides, in an industry as R&D heavy as this one, you really want resources divided between as few labs as possible. The current two-corporation state is pretty much ideal: one mainstream megaproducer and an underdog rival just powerful enough to keep them on their toes.
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Haydee Onna Technically they are an oligopoly, seeing as monopoly kind of implies that there is only one of them. And how many companies would you want developing GPUs anyway? It's not like three or four companies would be any different. Besides, in an industry as R&D heavy as this one, you really want resources divided between as few labs as possible. The current two-corporation state is pretty much ideal: one mainstream megaproducer and an underdog rival just powerful enough to keep them on their toes.
Your right, I don't know why I thought there was something fishy going on.
Although it could be argued who the mainstream and the underdog is..
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Taua Roqa
Minmatar Junqtion
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:12:00 -
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money owns us all.
BUT WHO OWNS THE MONEY?!!!!!?!?!
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees
Your right, I don't know why I thought there was something fishy going on.
Although it could be argued who the mainstream and the underdog is..
That depends on the GPU generation, arguably nVidia has the more powerful chips right now, and is the most aggressive in getting their name on games. ("the way it's meant to be played" logo is quite prevalent, while the ATI version is fairly rare) AMD/ATI however has the cards with the best price/performance ratio, weaker individually than nVidia's monolithic chips, but affordable enough to make dual-GPU layouts feasible a lot sooner than with nVidia's offering.
You could say that ATI currently rules the mid-range and nVidia the high-end. Personally, I think that ATI is in the better position since the mid-range market is a lot bigger than the high-end one.
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Device Bearer
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:08:00 -
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Linkage Price fixing
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Haydee Onna Technically they are an oligopoly, seeing as monopoly kind of implies that there is only one of them. And how many companies would you want developing GPUs anyway? It's not like three or four companies would be any different. Besides, in an industry as R&D heavy as this one, you really want resources divided between as few labs as possible. The current two-corporation state is pretty much ideal: one mainstream megaproducer and an underdog rival just powerful enough to keep them on their toes.
That's right.
There's also the fact that every gamer grahpic card currently used is either ATI or Nvidia, so game developpers make their games for ATI and Nvidia cards, so the player has absolutely no incentive to buy a GPU from a third party, even if third party existed, so that third party is dead before it was even born.
There's no tin foil monopoly here. If Nvidia and ATI were owned by a single entity, they wouldn't fight agressively on prices and R&D. Unless you believe some mega-rich individual or corp would deliberately slash immense profits for no reason. ------------------------------------------
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:49:00 -
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Developers make their games for DirectX (and 3 people make them for OpenGL). Sure they take a bit into account how many shader pipelines gpus have in general, but if i make another card which works completely different, but still supports directX, it will still work fine.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Device Bearer Linkage Price fixing
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."
There in lies the problem if it is true.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Device Bearer Linkage Price fixing
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."
There in lies the problem if it is true.
Slade
Eh business as usual. These types of profit expanding shennanigans are part and parcel of the business world through the ages. What is interesting is that they got caught though. Probably a junior officer who didn't get the fat bonus he was promised and so blew the whistle.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Xrak
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.27 21:09:00 -
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If you want to complain about a sector of the semiconducter chip market then complain about the CPU not GPU market. Intel consistently abused its market position to harm AMD's potential market growth.
Anyway Intel is wading into the discrete GPU market, expect their first graphics cards sometime next year and I suspect that they will be making the GPU for the next playstation.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 05:23:00 -
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ATI is far better anyways. My old nvidia card died in less than a year due to heat damage(even with the zalman fan/heatsink I installed) Slowly buying parts for a new pc, will be back ingame soon...
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Vinsurith Morteth
Minmatar Hauptman Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.28 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Munchees
Your right, I don't know why I thought there was something fishy going on.
Although it could be argued who the mainstream and the underdog is..
That depends on the GPU generation, arguably nVidia has the more powerful chips right now, and is the most aggressive in getting their name on games. ("the way it's meant to be played" logo is quite prevalent, while the ATI version is fairly rare) AMD/ATI however has the cards with the best price/performance ratio, weaker individually than nVidia's monolithic chips, but affordable enough to make dual-GPU layouts feasible a lot sooner than with nVidia's offering.
You could say that ATI currently rules the mid-range and nVidia the high-end. Personally, I think that ATI is in the better position since the mid-range market is a lot bigger than the high-end one.
Yeah, I like ATI better too. My HD 4670 was about $30 to 40$ cheaper than it's NVIDIA equivalent and the ATI was acutally slightly better. I could also get another 4670 to make my pc up to speed with a high end NVIDIA and it would still be cheaper running both simotaneously then buying 1 high end NVIDIA. "the way it's meant to be played"...affordably for me.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:04:00 -
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fukken monopoles
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CAPSLOCKBROKE
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:22:00 -
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Graphics Cards are cheap as crap anyways, who cares. I think mine cost me $40 when it was all said and done, over a year ago, and I can play games like Left 4 Dead and EVE perfectly fine.
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Znaei
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:57:00 -
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Don't want to make a new topic, but in the next hour I will go and buy a new card. Im thinking of getting this card Anyone know if its good?
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 28/07/2009 15:21:17
Originally by: Znaei Don't want to make a new topic, but in the next hour I will go and buy a new card. Im thinking of getting this card Anyone know if its good?
The 4800 series cards are excellent (arguably the best out at the moment due to their sheer cost/performance ratio). The X2 is basically two 4870 chips on a single board, meaning you're basically running two 4870's in Crossfire.
So yes, it's very, very good. ---
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:26:00 -
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If there's one company that comes close to having a 'monopoly' it's Intel. Intel not only are the dominant CPU manufacturer but also the main GPU/video chip maker.
Next evolution of integrated graphics is about to be released and we will see where this leads.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Znaei Don't want to make a new topic, but in the next hour I will go and buy a new card. Im thinking of getting this card Anyone know if its good?
If you want a dual chip product get the GTX295 instead. Unfortunately AMD's software is lacking when it comes to XFire, as opposed to nVidia's SLI. One reason is that AMD have to release new drivers to allow XFire with new games, whereas nVidia have Profiles.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Znaei Don't want to make a new topic, but in the next hour I will go and buy a new card. Im thinking of getting this card Anyone know if its good?
If you want a dual chip product get the GTX295 instead. Unfortunately AMD's software is lacking when it comes to XFire, as opposed to nVidia's SLI. One reason is that AMD have to release new drivers to allow XFire with new games, whereas nVidia have Profiles.
...wich is the only thing where Xfire apparently lacks vs NV, or so I've been told. In terms of scalability and implementation costs (card prices), Xfire seems to be better. ---
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.28 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees
Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
Because ATI make crap hardware and drivers, and nVidia doesn't.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.28 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Munchees
Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
Because ATI make crap hardware and drivers, and nVidia doesn't.
been using ATI cards for long time (5 years. first ati was a 9600), and before that NV, I can say that their drivers don't give as much problems as NV's?
this is one of the statements that confuse me tbh. the fact that ATI does crappy drivers somehow went past me all these years that I've used ATI, since the only problem I had was problems with *.WMV acceleration (ooooh what a bug), back in.... 2005? after that, they were surprisingly stable, in comparison to my experience up to the age old GF4 mx440 that I had, where there was a 50% that they made EVE CTD, thus making me downgrade them.
now if you say that the CCC is somewhat of a stupid piece of software, then there I might agree with you. unfortunately ATT doesn't like my Vista-powered HP computer that much ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.28 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Munchees
Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
If they are then its against several national and international trade regulations so it would have to be a tinfoil hat affair. Are you saying that the illuminati are at work here?
Confirming that we are, and it's all a plot to take over the world. |
Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.28 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Munchees
Originally by: Zeba Its not a monopoly if the companys are not connected in any way past the market niche they are trying to fill.
How do you know they aren't both owned by a single corporation?
If they are then its against several national and international trade regulations so it would have to be a tinfoil hat affair. Are you saying that the illuminati are at work here?
Confirming that we are, and it's all a plot to take over the world.
I guess they are in the Illuminati too.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
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