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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Munchees
More people die from alcohol than weed. It has never been proven that weed was related in any death (unless it was a drug war, but weed related drug wars wouldn't happen if weed was legal).
Weed causes all sorts of mental disorders, primarily paranoia. It also has the same effect upon driving as alcohol and can be just as addictive to people.
Proof!
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.31 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/07/2009 13:19:05
Originally by: baltec1 Latest studies show that after weed was reduces to a class C drug mental health dissorder cases skyrocketed. As a result it is being upgraded to a class B.
Because as usage increases it exacerbates preexisting psychoses, particularly schizophrenia. The psychoses were already there, but undetected in some of the people until ********* usage increased. The corresponding rise in detected psychoses resulted from this. The weed itself doesn't generate these disorders out of nowhere, or at least that's not proven as far as I know (not an expert.)
People with mental health disorders should never, ever use any drug of any sort that isn't designed to help their conditions. But that doesn't really help people whose symptoms start out so mild that nobody would suspect they even had the disorder until they started using drugs.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/07/2009 13:19:05
Originally by: baltec1 Latest studies show that after weed was reduces to a class C drug mental health dissorder cases skyrocketed. As a result it is being upgraded to a class B.
Because as usage increases it exacerbates preexisting psychoses, particularly schizophrenia. The psychoses were already there, but undetected in some of the people until ********* usage increased. The corresponding rise in detected psychoses resulted from this. The weed itself doesn't generate these disorders out of nowhere, or at least that's not proven as far as I know (not an expert.)
People with mental health disorders should never, ever use any drug of any sort that isn't designed to help their conditions. But that doesn't really help people whose symptoms start out so mild that nobody would suspect they even had the disorder until they started using drugs.
Actualy the way it works is that weed shuts down parts of the brain, over time this causes nural damage.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/07/2009 13:19:05
Originally by: baltec1 Latest studies show that after weed was reduces to a class C drug mental health dissorder cases skyrocketed. As a result it is being upgraded to a class B.
Because as usage increases it exacerbates preexisting psychoses, particularly schizophrenia. The psychoses were already there, but undetected in some of the people until ********* usage increased. The corresponding rise in detected psychoses resulted from this. The weed itself doesn't generate these disorders out of nowhere, or at least that's not proven as far as I know (not an expert.)
People with mental health disorders should never, ever use any drug of any sort that isn't designed to help their conditions. But that doesn't really help people whose symptoms start out so mild that nobody would suspect they even had the disorder until they started using drugs.
Actualy the way it works is that weed shuts down parts of the brain, over time this causes nural damage.
Interesting. Link?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/07/2009 13:19:05
Originally by: baltec1 Latest studies show that after weed was reduces to a class C drug mental health dissorder cases skyrocketed. As a result it is being upgraded to a class B.
Because as usage increases it exacerbates preexisting psychoses, particularly schizophrenia. The psychoses were already there, but undetected in some of the people until ********* usage increased. The corresponding rise in detected psychoses resulted from this. The weed itself doesn't generate these disorders out of nowhere, or at least that's not proven as far as I know (not an expert.)
People with mental health disorders should never, ever use any drug of any sort that isn't designed to help their conditions. But that doesn't really help people whose symptoms start out so mild that nobody would suspect they even had the disorder until they started using drugs.
Actualy the way it works is that weed shuts down parts of the brain, over time this causes nural damage.
Interesting. Link?
It was on BBC news 24 the other week.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 31/07/2009 19:24:34
Originally by: Whitehound
If it is of no importance to you then why do you not want it to be illegal and to protect women? You do not want children to prostitute themselves either, do you? There are enough people out there who pay for this, too, and I am sure you never used such a service either or need it ("it" being the sex service).
Like I said, it's not about protecting the women who do it, and the effects of making it illegal do quite the opposite, actually. It needlessly endangers prostitutes and makes it that much MORE likely they'll end up as "property", rented out by "owners".
When it's legal, you can provide all sorts of safety nets available to the rest of society, including police, legal and health services, as well as control over their own "workplace". When you make it illegal, you take those safety nets away, making it that much easier, more likely, for organized crime control, and profit from them instead.
You're obviously not going to remove prostitution by outlawing it, as it has ALWAYS existed and most likely always will, as long as people have sex drives.
The real problems linked with prostitution, i.e. human trafficking, coercion, violence, slavery, those are illegal everywhere (civilized), but your method increases the likelyhood of them occurring.
Now, those are some reasons I think it should be legal. Then there's the hypocrisy of outlawing it, on grounds of "protecting women", and we don't like hypocrisy, do we? Legitimate reasons for outlawing prostitution are rather slim, hard to find, actually.
It's interesting you bring up children. We limit their right to self-governance because we think they are not mature enough to make certain decisions for themselves. Are you now saying women are like children, that women are also not capable of deciding for themselves? Was universal suffrage a bad idea, should we take that right away from women, since according to you they apparently aren't capable of making decisions for themselves, like we expect adults to be? Should we turn back the clock 200 years (much, much less in most regions, if you go beyond suffrage) on womens rights and womens independence? Is that what you're implying? Are you a chauvinist, Whitehound? Are you sexist?
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And get over your problem of the word "need". I need women. It would be a dead world without them.
See, now you've added a qualifier, a "for x", as it were. However, this particular "for x" has absolutely nothing to do with prostitution, or does it?
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound If it is of no importance to you then why do you not want it to be illegal and to protect women?
Its not about women, its about legally consenting adults. Sex is legal, selling is legal. There should be no law against selling something that can be given away for free.
Quote: You do not want children to prostitute themselves either, do you?
Because a child is a legally consenting adult, eh? Didn't the anti-gay marriage people already use this reasoning? Stop stealing.
Your arguments imply that legalizing prostitution is going to force women into it. Guess what, it already happens where its illegal. Legality would bring regulations, restrictions, and inspections.
You could post some concrete evidence, say number of illegal/enslaved prostitutes in countries where its legal vs where its not. ♥
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 31/07/2009 20:56:05
Originally by: Awesome Possum Its not about women, ..
It is about women. You do not see many men on the street, do you?
Quote: Your arguments imply that legalizing prostitution is going to force women into it.
No. And, yes, it does force women into it regardless of the legality.
Make it legal and you have women selling themselves for the minimum wage and while paying taxes for what you like to call "service". Their "customers" would not be allowed to choose a prostitute based on the age of the woman, because it would violate the right for equal employment. The "costumers" would not be allowed to bring a chicken or eat excrements out of a shoe, because it would violate health regulations, etc.
You really do think prostitution is a proper business, don't you?
I tell you what it is: prostitution is creeps and weirdos f'cking around with women. It has got little to do with what you call legally consenting adults. Prostitution is illegal by law. --
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 31/07/2009 20:56:05
Originally by: Awesome Possum Its not about women, ..
It is about women. You do not see many men on the street, do you?
Quote: Your arguments imply that legalizing prostitution is going to force women into it.
No. And, yes, it does force women into it regardless of the legality.
Make it legal and you have women selling themselves for the minimum wage and while paying taxes for what you like to call "service". Their "customers" would not be allowed to choose a prostitute based on the age of the woman, because it would violate the right for equal employment. The "costumers" would not be allowed to bring a chicken or eat excrements out of a shoe, because it would violate health regulations, etc.
You really do think prostitution is a proper business, don't you?
I tell you what it is: prostitution is creeps and weirdos f'cking around with women. It has got little to do with what you call legally consenting adults. Prostitution is illegal by law.
Not in the state of Nevada. And according to Munchees article Germany allows it too.
Also saying that they are forced into it is a generalization. Many are but there are also plenty who know that men like to **** and are willing to pay for it.
Take the chick who sold her virginity for 1.6 million dollars, she had a commodity and someone bought it. Why I don't know but they did.
Then you've got Eliot Spitzers little prize package, she's private industry and Makes like $1000 an hour.
As for Nevada though since they are legal they are required by law to get regular check ups so you don't have to explain to your wife where that rash came from.
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Riki Halcyon
Caldari Sativa Imports Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Riki Halcyon on 31/07/2009 21:51:51 These regular check-ups will also help to stop the flow of HIV and other nasty VDs.
I have to say again, I am impressed with the EVE community...this thread has turned out to be a very interesting discussion and luckily most of us are pretty open minded.
A special thanks to Malcanis for his many responses - especially:
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Munchees
More people die from alcohol than weed. It has never been proven that weed was related in any death (unless it was a drug war, but weed related drug wars wouldn't happen if weed was legal).
Weed causes all sorts of mental disorders, primarily paranoia. It also has the same effect upon driving as alcohol and can be just as addictive to people.
Proof!
lol Thank you this is a hilarious and appropriate response as most reseacrh trying to demonize weed is simply faulty if not outright ridiculous.
For those who continue to think that somehow weed can do permanent damage, and continue to compare it to alcohol, let me help.
The active ingredient that interacts with the brain in weed is THC. Scientists have actually found receptors in the brain for THC. They are still looking for the ligand or agonist, the naturally produced compound that would interact with the receptors in our bodies. So interestingly enough, as is the case with opiates, weed works naturally with our brain. This is not to say that people cannot abuse the plant, or that it can't trigger the onset of mental disorders as has been pointed out. Another linky.
Now alcohol essentially opens a channel between neurons and allows potassium to leak out of the cell dissipating it's activity. This means that alcohol lowers our brain function essentially dampening active pathways.
Now even more interesting is that alcohol has numerous ill effects on other parts of our bodies, especially the liver. Alcohol is also one of the worst detoxes out of any drug someone becomes chemically dependent upon. My mother has worked as a psychiatric nurse for over 20 years and has made it very clear to me that alcohol is the most dangerous detox, in fact the only detox in which a person can actually die without medical attention.
While, our counterpart, weed, has been proven to be effective at helping ease the symptoms of various diseases, side-effects of treatment, and disorders. Interesting, eh?
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Riki Halcyon
Caldari Sativa Imports Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:55:00 -
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Here's one more link - myths myths myths....
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich ...
Politicians get caught with prostitutes on a regular basis, which puts an end to their careers. Governments like to get taxes out of any money transfer regardless of what the money is being used for. And people use sex for marketing. But what is your point? --
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich ...
Politicians get caught with prostitutes on a regular basis, which puts an end to their careers. Governments like to get taxes out of any money transfer regardless of what the money is being used for. And people use sex for marketing. But what is your point?
If you didn't see it the first time then I can't help ya bud, sorry.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich If you didn't see it the first time then I can't help ya bud, sorry.
You want to have sex with other women and do not want your wife to know about it. Hence your appreciation for regular check-ups of prostitutes.
Is that it? --
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:36:00 -
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I'm not married.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Make it legal and you have women selling themselves for the minimum wage and while paying taxes for what you like to call "service". Their "customers" would not be allowed to choose a prostitute based on the age of the woman, because it would violate the right for equal employment.
You really do think prostitution is a proper business, don't you?
I tell you what it is: prostitution is creeps and weirdos f'cking around with women. It has got little to do with what you call legally consenting adults. Prostitution is illegal by law.
You're wrong on all accounts, pretty much, except the bit on taxation. Why don't you broaden your horizons from hickville USA, and take a look at conditions prostitutes actually live in, in the majority of EU countries, where prostitution IS LEGAL BY LAW.
Or several Australian states, or New Zeeland, or Canada.(Pimping, or Procurement, i.e. deriving financial gain from the prostitution of others, is forbidden in many of those countries.) Note I'm only listing developed western countries, most of which take care of their weak and vulnerable far better then the US does.
I was going to say bum**** USA, but I'm guessing the wordfilter will eat the potency of that expression.
Anyway, since you've already decided not to respond to me, I'll doubt you'll respond to this either. I do hope you read it though, especially the bolded part.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon prostitution IS LEGAL BY LAW.
Since you use caps and bold will I respond.
How often do you use prostitutes? --
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Whitehound
Make it legal and you have women selling themselves for the minimum wage and while paying taxes for what you like to call "service". Their "customers" would not be allowed to choose a prostitute based on the age of the woman, because it would violate the right for equal employment.
You really do think prostitution is a proper business, don't you?
I tell you what it is: prostitution is creeps and weirdos f'cking around with women. It has got little to do with what you call legally consenting adults. Prostitution is illegal by law.
You're wrong on all accounts, pretty much, except the bit on taxation. Why don't you broaden your horizons from hickville USA, and take a look at conditions prostitutes actually live in, in the majority of EU countries, where prostitution IS LEGAL BY LAW.
Or several Australian states, or New Zeeland, or Canada.(Pimping, or Procurement, i.e. deriving financial gain from the prostitution of others, is forbidden in many of those countries.) Note I'm only listing developed western countries, most of which take care of their weak and vulnerable far better then the US does.
I was going to say bum**** USA, but I'm guessing the wordfilter will eat the potency of that expression.
Anyway, since you've already decided not to respond to me, I'll doubt you'll respond to this either. I do hope you read it though, especially the bolded part.
Fac it Qui he does not even entertain a viewpoint that does not confim toi his pretty narrow viewpoint.
I don't think he is the USA though, Middle England would be my guess... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Qui Shon prostitution IS LEGAL BY LAW.
Since you use caps and bold will I respond.
How often do you use prostitutes?
Well that's not deeply personal or anything.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:02:00 -
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You guys are wasting your time. He's just trying to troll you and get you in trouble. Its what he does.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Qui Shon prostitution IS LEGAL BY LAW.
Since you use caps and bold will I respond.
How often do you use prostitutes?
That means caps + bold works. I've already answered that question, before it was even asked.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: THE L0CK You guys are wasting your time. He's just trying to troll you and get you in trouble. Its what he does.
He's trolling?
I refuse to believe it. Trolls are supposed to use intelligent posts to get their marks.
♥
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:36:00 -
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You do not have a view point.
If you stand up for the legalization of the prostitution of women then you first need to explain why you want women to become prostitutes in the first place.
Prostitutes can see a doctor at any time. The legalization however forces them to see a doctor. Once a prostitute becomes infected does she start working illegally. She will not give up her job. The legalization is nothing but a method to register and to tax prostitution. It does not change prostitution. It creates more prostitution.
Declaring it as illegal allows the law to prosecute men who pay women for this "service" as well as the women who prostitute themselves. If you do not use prostitutes then this should be not a problem for you. So why do you want it to be legal? --
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Actualy the way it works is that weed shuts down parts of the brain, over time this causes nural damage.
Interesting. Link?
It was on BBC news 24 the other week.
Loathe as I am to questions News 24's status in the peer reviewed publications league table, I dont have a TV, and was hoping for something a tad more tangible.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound If you stand up for the legalization of the prostitution of women .....
Of consenting adults. Not women.
Big difference. Unless, of course, you're secretly a homophobe and the idea of men sleeping with other men disgusts you so much you can't even contemplate the ideal that men would pay men to have sex with them.
Would I pay a woman to sleep with me?
I do, every time I take one out on a date. This just takes the middleman out of the equation. ♥
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Whitehound If you stand up for the legalization of the prostitution of women .....
Of consenting adults. Not women.
Big difference. Unless, of course, you're secretly a homophobe and the idea of men sleeping with other men disgusts you so much you can't even contemplate the ideal that men would pay men to have sex with them.
Would I pay a woman to sleep with me?
I do, every time I take one out on a date. This just takes the middleman out of the equation.
Hell there's only a few actual differences between a date and prostitution when you get down to it, namely it can be cheaper, your guaranteed to get some, and you don't have to worry about calling her later.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Hell there's only a few actual differences between a date and prostitution when you get down to it, namely it can be cheaper, your guaranteed to get some, and you don't have to worry about calling her later.
Agree, however women hate it when this is brought up. So I'm going to shut up on this point before every female in Eve wardecs me. ♥
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Of consenting adults. Not women.
The same law that declares who an adult is and and who is not declares what prostitution is. So you cannot use it as an argument. --
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Northern Fall
Minmatar Guild Exploration Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:14:00 -
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What the hell ever happened to our "Stiff Upper Lip" ?
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 01/08/2009 00:12:41
Originally by: Awesome Possum Of consenting adults. Not women.
The same law that declares who an adult is and who is not declares what prostitution is. So you cannot use it as an argument.
Wrong.
Try again.
p.s. 1. there's no federal law that defines the age of adulthood. it's up to every state to decide for itself.
2. there is no federal law against prostitution, it's up to every state to decide for itself. Hence it being legal in Nevada and Rhode Island.
3. not one single state law i searched had the 'age of majority' law tied in any way, shape, or form to prostitution.
You lose again Lews Therin. ♥
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