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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 01/08/2009 00:50:50
Originally by: Awesome Possum Wrong.
No, it does not matter what the name of the law is. Either shut up or say that you want prostitution and why. It is this simple. --
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Maik Sarsei
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Open-mindedness is nice, but it gets abused, too. Think about this: we could reintroduce slavery and provide quality food, health care and shelter for our slaves. There would be no chains but electronic tags and nobody would need to worry about wounded ankles. No more worries about unemployment or what to do with your live. If done right then all a slave would need to worry about is about not being a free person. Can anyone spot where my open-mindedness went wrong?
you're making a category mistake here
soz, but if your mind has such gaping holes in logic don't be surprised that other posters simply refuse to argue with you
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound If you do not use prostitutes then this should be not a problem for you.
Brilliant logic....not. If I do not intend to, say, blackmail someone, and am unlikely to end up a victim of blackmail, why would I care if it's illegal or not? Durrr.
Maybe some of us care about more then immediate self interest, ever think about that Bubba?
I already said why I think it should be legal, dedicated a whole post to that question, so don't ask it again. Also, don't forget it IS legal where I live, as in the majority of the western countries.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon Brilliant logic....not. If I do not intend to, say, blackmail someone, and am unlikely to end up a victim of blackmail, why would I care if it's illegal or not? Durrr.
What is your logic? You want to legalize blackmail? --
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 01/08/2009 01:03:50
Originally by: Maik Sarsei soz, but if your mind has such gaping holes in logic don't be surprised that other posters simply refuse to argue with you
No, it is not a category mistake. It is an example of how open-mindedness can be abused (aka "bull-sh*tting"). Do not try to argue with me when you do not like losing. --
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 01/08/2009 00:50:50
Originally by: Awesome Possum Wrong.
No, it does not matter what the name of the law is. Either shut up or say that you want prostitution and why. It is this simple.
Wrong
I've already stated I want prostitution legal.
You're still wrong.
That simple. ♥
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Maik Sarsei
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Do not try to argue with me when you do not like losing.
yes, tell us how you really feel :)
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Qui Shon Brilliant logic....not. If I do not intend to, say, blackmail someone, and am unlikely to end up a victim of blackmail, why would I care if it's illegal or not? Durrr.
What is your logic? You want to legalize blackmail?
This just shows me you're either dumb and slow, or english is not your first language and you don't understand how to properly communicate and debate in it.
Go to a forum that speaks your natural language if you wish to discuss issues. ♥
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum ...
You would actually want your mother, your sisters and your wife on the street offering themselves to other men? --
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Maik Sarsei
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
You would actually want your mother, your sisters and your wife on the street offering themselves to other men?
you really have little experience with women/girls, do you? you speak of us like we are some sort of strange creatures, who, once prostitution is made legal, are gonna run off and impale ourselves on the **** of any stranger who waves a $100 bill at us
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 02:09:00 -
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People act prostitution is no big deal and that anybody opposed to it is some puritanical prude. When in truth prostitution is an exploitation of the worst kind. But we guys like to get laid and damn the effects on anybody else right?
The average age of entry into prostitution is 14-16, 42% are under 18 when they start.
49% were physically abuse by their primary caregiver during childhood. 65-90% were sexually abused by their primary caregiver during childhood.
75% of prostitutes are on drugs.
When asked what they need... Would you leave prostitution: 87% Need home or safe place: 78% Need job training: 73% Need health care: 58% Need peer support: 50% Need legal assistance: 42% Need alcohol and drug treatment: 67% Self defense training: 49%
Due to on the job assaults(of various types) prostitutes often develop post traumatic stress disorder. Canada: 74% Colombia: 86% Germany: 60% Mexico: 54% South Africa:75% Thailand: 58% Turkey: 66% USA: 69% Zambia: 71%
Those returning from combat develop post traumatic stress disorder at 69%
So ya, go to Vegas and have a good time. Just remember that the girl your with probably has a gun to her head or is getting flashbacks of a sneaky uncle while you're enjoying yourself.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Maik Sarsei
Originally by: Whitehound
You would actually want your mother, your sisters and your wife on the street offering themselves to other men?
you really have little experience with women/girls, do you? you speak of us like we are some sort of strange creatures, who, once prostitution is made legal, are gonna run off and impale ourselves on the **** of any stranger who waves a $100 bill at us
Exactly, the women that become prostitutes are the abused and neglected. They need help not exploitation.
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.01 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth People act prostitution is no big deal and that anybody opposed to it is some puritanical prude. When in truth prostitution is an exploitation of the worst kind. But we guys like to get laid and damn the effects on anybody else right?
The average age of entry into prostitution is 14-16, 42% are under 18 when they start.
49% were physically abuse by their primary caregiver during childhood. 65-90% were sexually abused by their primary caregiver during childhood.
75% of prostitutes are on drugs.
When asked what they need... Would you leave prostitution: 87% Need home or safe place: 78% Need job training: 73% Need health care: 58% Need peer support: 50% Need legal assistance: 42% Need alcohol and drug treatment: 67% Self defense training: 49%
Due to on the job assaults(of various types) prostitutes often develop post traumatic stress disorder. Canada: 74% Colombia: 86% Germany: 60% Mexico: 54% South Africa:75% Thailand: 58% Turkey: 66% USA: 69% Zambia: 71%
Those returning from combat develop post traumatic stress disorder at 69%
So ya, go to Vegas and have a good time. Just remember that the girl your with probably has a gun to her head or is getting flashbacks of a sneaky uncle while you're enjoying yourself.
The thing is if you legalize it actual businessmen can set up brothels, and not pimps who are criminals. Nevada is an example of this.
Anyway, I like how this thread went from being about the prison system to being about prostitution and weed.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Maik Sarsei
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Posted - 2009.08.01 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth Exactly, the women that become prostitutes are the abused and neglected. They need help not exploitation.
Exactly. And for as long as prostitution is illegal good luck making these women admit that they are prostitutes and getting them to ask for help. Now on the other hand if it was legal and society would have some sort of outreach & educational programs to help these women and girls many would take it to get out of the situation that they are in.
I remember reading an article in BBC News about offering sex education to prostitutes in one of those middle eastern countries. Many did not come to the workshop to listen about how to protect themselves against AIDS. Why? Because prostitution was illegal in that country and they were afraid that when they show up they will be tricked and caught.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth People act drug use is no big deal and that anybody opposed to it is some puritanical prude. rabble rabble rabble
People have been selling sex for millennia. Nothing will stop it.
Oh and not every prostitute was someone who was abused. Nice try though. ♥
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth People act prostitution is no big deal and that anybody opposed to it is some puritanical prude. When in truth prostitution is an exploitation of the worst kind. But we guys like to get laid and damn the effects on anybody else right?
The average age of entry into prostitution is 14-16, 42% are under 18 when they start.
49% were physically abuse by their primary caregiver during childhood. 65-90% were sexually abused by their primary caregiver during childhood.
75% of prostitutes are on drugs.
When asked what they need... Would you leave prostitution: 87% Need home or safe place: 78% Need job training: 73% Need health care: 58% Need peer support: 50% Need legal assistance: 42% Need alcohol and drug treatment: 67% Self defense training: 49%
Due to on the job assaults(of various types) prostitutes often develop post traumatic stress disorder. Canada: 74% Colombia: 86% Germany: 60% Mexico: 54% South Africa:75% Thailand: 58% Turkey: 66% USA: 69% Zambia: 71%
Those returning from combat develop post traumatic stress disorder at 69%
So ya, go to Vegas and have a good time. Just remember that the girl your with probably has a gun to her head or is getting flashbacks of a sneaky uncle while you're enjoying yourself.
Take note Whitehound, this is how you win arguments. Random incoherent babble as you can see hasn't gotten you far other than massive amounts of heckling. State facts and back them up. Would have been better if he posted a link but I still give him points for that post.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees The thing is if you legalize it actual businessmen can set up brothels, and not pimps who are criminals. Nevada is an example of this.
What makes you think these are real businessmen? The pimps only start wearing suits and hire a tax consultant. Consequently do they stop being criminals once you have changed the law. --
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Take note Whitehound, this is how you win arguments. Random incoherent babble as you can see hasn't gotten you far other than massive amounts of heckling. State facts and back them up. Would have been better if he posted a link but I still give him points for that post.
You seem to think he's doing anything other than trolling.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Vernet
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Take note Whitehound, this is how you win arguments. Random incoherent babble as you can see hasn't gotten you far other than massive amounts of heckling. State facts and back them up. Would have been better if he posted a link but I still give him points for that post.
You seem to think he's doing anything other than trolling.
Oh I know he doing nothing more than trolling, although you gotta give him credit for hooking like a dozen people now.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees
The thing is if you legalize it actual businessmen can set up brothels, and not pimps who are criminals. Nevada is an example of this.
I donÆt mean to be dismissive of your beliefs or opinions but that is utter crap. I used to see the illegal kind of prostitution all the time in America. And now I see the legal kind all the time in Japan. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. The customers are the same types of guys. The pimps are still pimps. And the woman are still the abused and neglected that feel they are totally worthless and deserve nothing better or are being forced. Yes, forced. Even if something is legal, women can be forced into it against their will. And the ôbusinessmenö have an arsenal of tactics to force and coerce women into it.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Krystal Vernet
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Take note Whitehound, this is how you win arguments. Random incoherent babble as you can see hasn't gotten you far other than massive amounts of heckling. State facts and back them up. Would have been better if he posted a link but I still give him points for that post.
You seem to think he's doing anything other than trolling.
Oh I know he doing nothing more than trolling, although you gotta give him credit for hooking like a dozen people now.
I'm not trolling. I've done a lot of community outreach work with the homeless, prostitutes and at risk children in Boston. You really wouldn't believe the horror stories they have to tell. It's crushing just to hear and I can't imagine how they even get up every morning. I used to think legalizing prostitution was the way to go. On the surface it made sense. But then I met a woman who had moved from Nevada to Boston. She told me all about what it is really like in many of the brothels over there.
You can believe me or not. But the statistics on prostitution are easily obtainable online. And the real story is on your local street corner. Why don't you offer to buy a prostitute a hot meal and listen to what she has to say. Just be prepared to pay for her time in case her business manger is around.
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.01 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth I'm not trolling.
We weren't referring to you. O_o
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.01 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Munchees
The thing is if you legalize it actual businessmen can set up brothels, and not pimps who are criminals. Nevada is an example of this.
I donÆt mean to be dismissive of your beliefs or opinions but that is utter crap. I used to see the illegal kind of prostitution all the time in America. And now I see the legal kind all the time in Japan. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. The customers are the same types of guys. The pimps are still pimps. And the woman are still the abused and neglected that feel they are totally worthless and deserve nothing better or are being forced. Yes, forced. Even if something is legal, women can be forced into it against their will. And the ôbusinessmenö have an arsenal of tactics to force and coerce women into it.
Your right. Most of these guys are scum.
But let's compare it to the ****ography industry. Most women in that business choose to go into the business (who knows whether or not they can't get another job etc), but they enjoy having sex on camera, or are consenting to having sex on camera for money. Sure the orgasms are all fake but that's beyond the point.
I think if it were to be legalized in the US it should be strictly regulated to make sure the women aren't abused and are doing the act consensually.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Vernet
Originally by: Mr Reeth I'm not trolling.
We weren't referring to you. O_o
This. Sorry if you felt it was reference to you.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Krystal Vernet
Originally by: Mr Reeth I'm not trolling.
We weren't referring to you. O_o
This. Sorry if you felt it was reference to you.
Heh, sorry. I'll go practice my reading comprehension skills.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees
Your right. Most of these guys are scum.
But let's compare it to the ****ography industry. Most women in that business choose to go into the business (who knows whether or not they can't get another job etc), but they enjoy having sex on camera, or are consenting to having sex on camera for money. Sure the orgasms are all fake but that's beyond the point.
I think if it were to be legalized in the US it should be strictly regulated to make sure the women aren't abused and are doing the act consensually.
Thanks for opening the adult video door for me. In fact many women in **** are forced into it. I have heard it's as high as 50% in America and 80-90% in Japan. (If you've ever seen Japanese **** were the woman appears unwilling, it's probably because she was.)
One of the most famous **** stars is Linda Susan Boreman. She did the first **** with plot called Deep Throat. About that movie she said... "Virtually every time someone watches that movie, they're watching me being ****d." "It is a crime that movie is still showing; there was a gun to my head the entire time."
Traci Lords is also pretty famous but her early films are hard to come by because she was underage when she started in the business.
I'm sure there are completely sane and stable women who have no problem selling themselves. I'm sure there are women who can do a lifetime of adult service work and never regret it. But the fact remains that there are nowhere near enough of those women to fill the demand. And that leads to some dangerous areas as the pimps and ****ographers need to find more and more talent. Abused runaways, naive teens, poor illegal immigrants and the all the most vulnerable of our societies are the bread and butter of the sex trade.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Reeth on 01/08/2009 05:41:54 double post... sorry
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth Edited by: Mr Reeth on 01/08/2009 06:02:17
Originally by: Munchees
Your right. Most of these guys are scum.
But let's compare it to the ****ography industry. Most women in that business choose to go into the business (who knows whether or not they can't get another job etc), but they enjoy having sex on camera, or are consenting to having sex on camera for money. Sure the orgasms are all fake but that's beyond the point.
I think if it were to be legalized in the US it should be strictly regulated to make sure the women aren't abused and are doing the act consensually.
Thanks for opening the adult video door for me. In fact many women in **** are forced into it. I have heard it's as high as 50% in America and 80-90% in Japan. (If you've ever seen Japanese **** where the woman appears unwilling, it's probably because she was.)
One of the most famous **** stars is Linda Susan Boreman. She did the first **** with plot called Deep Throat. About that movie she said... "Virtually every time someone watches that movie, they're watching me being ****d." "It is a crime that movie is still showing; there was a gun to my head the entire time."
Traci Lords is also pretty famous but her early films are hard to come by because she was underage when she started in the business.
I'm sure there are completely sane and stable women who have no problem selling themselves. I'm sure there are women who can do a lifetime of adult service work and never regret it. But the fact remains that there are nowhere near enough of those women to fill the demand. And that leads to some dangerous areas as the pimps and ****ographers need to find more and more talent. Abused runaways, naive teens, poor illegal immigrants and the all the most vulnerable of our societies are the bread and butter of the sex trade.
Don't deny that you don't watch or have watched **** religiously at some point in your life.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum People have been selling sex for millennia. Nothing will stop it.
The law does not stop crime. It reduces crime.
Even when you put the death penalty on murder do people continue to commit murder.
It is no reason to legalize prostitution or any other crime. --
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.01 15:43:00 -
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Prison is never a cakewalk. You have to tough not to be institutionalized from the regime.
Simple things like being able to open doors by yourself and not having much freedom of movement fries the head. Suicide rates in prison are high.
Maybe the old colonial prisons should be reintroduced. On islands so there is no escape. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint |
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