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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
57
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:15:00 -
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So i been seeing a slight problem with what CCP wants to do for this summer of burning ships and the like. Greifers are running amok it looks like. they wardec a corp/alliance that out numbers them 10 to 1 and station spin when the defenders show up with 2 or 3 ships to shoot them or play the station game of undocking get shot at redock or engage for a shots then do the disengage thing and dock back up doing this multiple times. this 30 seconds of disengaging needs to change something i think everyone would enjoy the idea.
As the idea 1> The aggressor(declared war) corp/alliance should have a 5 minute timer before they can re dock 2> Defender Corp would have the 30 second disengaging timer 3> If War is declared mutual then its 5 minute timer for all parties.
this way folks can destroy the aggressing corp/alliance would have to actually commit to a fight and not play the station docking game.
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:17:00 -
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Remove stations...
Problem solved. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1085
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:18:00 -
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No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.
Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
57
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:21:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.
Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP.
The aggressor play the game they should be willing to commit to a fight. Declaring war should still have a consequence. After all Eve is a game where your actions have consequences. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:21:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:Remove stations...
Problem solved.
lol yeah thatll increase subs
Oh you were looking to decrease them? Make CCP do something drastic and knee jerk and make it harder to PVP?
ah well then, carry on
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.
Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP. The aggressor play the game they should be willing to commit to a fight. Declaring war should still have a consequence. After all Eve is a game where your actions have consequences.
ah so they added a way for the defenders to win the war then? Cause if the defenders can never win the war other than station docking and waiting till the agressor gets bored, HOW is that a consequence for the attackers again? http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
635
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:24:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:Remove stations...
Problem solved.
This guy is awesome! |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
57
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:25:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:Remove stations...
Problem solved. lol yeah thatll increase subs Oh you were looking to decrease them? Make CCP do something drastic and knee jerk and make it harder to PVP? ah well then, carry on Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.
Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP. The aggressor play the game they should be willing to commit to a fight. Declaring war should still have a consequence. After all Eve is a game where your actions have consequences. ah so they added a way for the defenders to win the war then? Cause if the defenders can never win the war other than station docking and waiting till the agressor gets bored, HOW is that a consequence for the attackers again?
The aggro timer could also be 5 minutes for all parties. make the player think before commiting to something they could lose at |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:28:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:Remove stations...
Problem solved. lol yeah thatll increase subs Oh you were looking to decrease them? Make CCP do something drastic and knee jerk and make it harder to PVP? ah well then, carry on Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.
Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP. The aggressor play the game they should be willing to commit to a fight. Declaring war should still have a consequence. After all Eve is a game where your actions have consequences. ah so they added a way for the defenders to win the war then? Cause if the defenders can never win the war other than station docking and waiting till the agressor gets bored, HOW is that a consequence for the attackers again? The aggro timer could also be 5 minutes for all parties. make the player think before commiting to something they could lose at
There should BE a way TO LOSE then theyd "think before commiting to something they could lose at"
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:30:00 -
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Declaring war costs isk, that is its consequence. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1086
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:34:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote: The aggro timer could also be 5 minutes for all parties. make the player think before commiting to something they could lose at
Now we're getting somewhere. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:37:00 -
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GTFO of highsec?
No, really it does work. Someone doesn't need to dec you, since it isn't required. Then we don't need timers becaue you chose to fight on dock and/or gate just like the other goobers do, then whine about it. Its only setting yourself up for failure. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
781
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:43:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote: The aggro timer could also be 5 minutes for all parties. make the player think before commiting to something they could lose at
Now we're getting somewhere. I so agree with this.
However, I am biased. I'm a vulture. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1568
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:44:00 -
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You want to end station games, make all stations kickout stations.
Or make all stations deny docking to ships that are under fire.
Or bring enough firepower and learn how to bait properly so that they'll engage and you can melt their ship before they can dock it again.
Fight on gates. Set traps in safe spots or at planets. Dear god there are so many things you COULD do to fight them. Don't ask for arbitrary imbalanced rule sets because you can't cope with game mechanics.
But yeah, station games are stupid. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
58
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:49:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:You want to end station games, make all stations kickout stations.
Or make all stations deny docking to ships that are under fire.
Or bring enough firepower and learn how to bait properly so that they'll engage and you can melt their ship before they can dock it again.
Fight on gates. Set traps in safe spots or at planets. Dear god there are so many things you COULD do to fight them. Don't ask for arbitrary imbalanced rule sets because you can't cope with game mechanics.
But yeah, station games are stupid.
i love the idea of deny docking ships that are under fire.
done the bait and gate fights.
Yes the station games are stupid |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
151
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:53:00 -
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Get rid of local, then you won't need to camp stations or hide in them. Station games aren't just a hisec nuisance. |
I Accidentally YourShip
eHarmony Inc. Brushie Brushie Brushie
173
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:04:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:GTFO of highsec? No, really it does work. Someone doesn't need to dec you, since it isn't required. Then we don't need timers becaue you chose to fight on dock and/or gate just like the other goobers do, then whine about it. Its only setting yourself up for failure.
Did you just use the word goober? Liked.
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Goatfather
HOMELE55 Double Tap.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:22:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:So i been seeing a slight problem with what CCP wants to do for this summer of burning ships and the like. Greifers are running amok it looks like. they wardec a corp/alliance that out numbers them 10 to 1 and station spin when the defenders show up with 2 or 3 ships to shoot them or play the station game of undocking get shot at redock or engage for a shots then do the disengage thing and dock back up doing this multiple times.
*sniffle*
http://homele55.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13357242
Good thing there were no stations for us to dock @ in that system. *snaps fingers*
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:26:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Get rid of local, then you won't need to camp stations or hide in them. Station games aren't just a hisec nuisance.
You would also have to remove the list of people in a station. It provides about the same level of intel as local but that list, much like local, can also be a beneficial tool many enjoy. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1091
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:28:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Get rid of local, then you won't need to camp stations or hide in them. Station games aren't just a hisec nuisance. You would also have to remove the list of people in a station. It provides about the same level of intel as local but that list, much like local, can also be a beneficial tool many enjoy. You should have to go walking around the station (WiS) to find out who's there. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:56:00 -
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My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.
All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.
Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.
The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.
It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.
If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.
It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.
I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.
Sad really. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
59
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:56:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Get rid of local, then you won't need to camp stations or hide in them. Station games aren't just a hisec nuisance. You would also have to remove the list of people in a station. It provides about the same level of intel as local but that list, much like local, can also be a beneficial tool many enjoy. You should have to go walking around the station (WiS) to find out who's there.
Only if i can knife my WTs |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
979
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:58:00 -
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hey -a- renter when you have a wardec on you why not just live in the space you're paying rent for? |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
59
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:59:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.
All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.
Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.
The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.
It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.
If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.
It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.
I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.
Sad really.
So true. Tired of these cowards and i use the term LOOSELY |
Rukia Taika
Dueces Wyld Jokers Wild.
11
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:24:00 -
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Hell i like this idea. I hate greifers playing the undock and re dock station games.
Come on CCP lets here something on this one |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:27:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.
Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP. The aggressor play the game they should be willing to commit to a fight. Declaring war should still have a consequence. After all Eve is a game where your actions have consequences.
Wait what? There are consequences to this game? Since when? Damn it...why can't I get memos like everyone else? |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:29:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.
All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.
Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.
The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.
It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.
If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.
It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.
I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.
Sad really. So true. Tired of these cowards and i use the term LOOSELY
You know it. In my corp we went to war and the cowards ran every time we confronted them. They started it and then they never followed through. There should be real consequences for going to war and if you do start one...you better be willing to fight. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
61
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:41:00 -
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Well thats why a few of us were chatting about the inferno expansion, the crimewatch which got back burnered. and with the amount of greifers wardecing and not showing up or they do and play games.
hence the idea of 5 minute not able to dock idea |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
875
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:22:00 -
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Station games and neutral remote rep ~are~ the essence of amazing highsec pvp, I thought?
They've evolved beyond blobs. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
169
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:49:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.
All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.
Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.
The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.
It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.
If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.
It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.
I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.
Sad really. I've doe wars on alt where we actively go looking for the WTs. Of course, they don't want to fight themselves, so we end up camping station etc... Will the new FW be any good??? |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
169
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:51:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Well thats why a few of us were chatting about the inferno expansion, the crimewatch which got back burnered. and with the amount of greifers wardecing and not showing up or they do and play games.
hence the idea of 5 minute not able to dock idea Crimewatch 2.0 was never due to come out with Inferno AFAIK. It was a longer term proposition. That being said, the ideas they presented at fan fest had some alarming possible outcomes and they were not able to explain some of the edge cases we presented, such as how aggro from can flipping would be handled etc... Will the new FW be any good??? |
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