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Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:48:00 -
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Getting really tired of doing missions and going for salvage and having ***hats warp in to swipe everything. Not sure what's going on, if it's a result from the patch, but it used to be you got kill rights if someone stole a cargo from one of your wrecks. Apparently that's no longer the case.
And before the sand-box-queens chime in: Save it. I get the whole "It's a sandbox" thing. But it's not a sandbox. Not really. If it's a true sand box there would be no rules. If there's no rules, then let me put a bullet in the ***-hat's face for stealing my s**t. Or have concord do something useful besides lagging the gates in their polished ships.
Let us kill anyone who steals our wrecks/cargo/ore/whatever, or have CONCORD get off their ***es and pop the d**k's. High-Sec is a joke. Apparently with INFERNO, anyone can steal from you but if you respond, *YOU* get killed by CONCORD.
So high-sec is a place where people steal from you without fear. Again, save the "sandbox" crap. In real life I get to shoot criminals. NullSec/LowSec, well, at least THERE you can shoot people without having concord get all pissy about you killing a criminal, just people with less than a year or two stand no chance there.
So thanks EVE: You're either an old hand and immune from getting CONCORDED, or just someone who has their **** stolen all the time. WTF, over? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:50:00 -
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Concord provides consequences not protection. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:52:00 -
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Someone is mad about internet space loot. Kill-rights if suicided. 15 min aggression timer if you stole loot.
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:52:00 -
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No-one ever got kill rights from taking stuff from inside a wreck, only for killing a players ship if they are not agressed already/ below -5. They generally flash red if they take items from inside the wreck. The salvage used for making rigs as you already know belongs to anyone [first come, first served]. |
Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:53:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection.
Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:53:00 -
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Sanshas Nation have invaded all the doughnut shops, Concord are too busy protecting their lifeblood to worry about immortals being immoral. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:55:00 -
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CONCORD is actually pretty useful if you want to lower your sec status. Nothing Found |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:55:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:You're either an old hand and immune from getting CONCORDED, or just someone who has their **** stolen all the time. This is false.
masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. This is true. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:55:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who???
People who aggress in hi sec when they aren't allowed. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:55:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:No-one ever got kill rights from taking stuff from inside a wreck, only for killing a players ship if they are not agressed already/ below -5. They generally flash red if they take items from inside the wreck [and it belongs to a wreck of an npc that they havn't killed]. The salvage used for making rigs as you already know belongs to anyone [first come, first served].
I've had people get aggression timers against me for taking a wreck in a belt. People leave them there all the time.
In fact, it's become quite the noob-hunting sport in high-sec space: Kill a rat, leave the wreck, and when someone says "Hey, can I salvage that?" you say "Sure" then kill them when you get the 15mins of kill-rights. |
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Llewelyn
The Last Bastion
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:56:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:Let us kill anyone who steals our wrecks/cargo/ore/whatever
You can do this already, except for salvaging.
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:56:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:You could always delcare war on their corp and get revenge/suicide gank them etc.
That would involve :effort: and :risk: and would lead to far fewer tears. Dismissed.
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Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:58:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:You're either an old hand and immune from getting CONCORDED, or just someone who has their **** stolen all the time. This is false. Come to my system sometime: People tag behind us on missions all the time and take our salvage (which has always been legal) and the wreck cargo (which used to allow us to shoot them, but now does not). masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. This is true.
This is false. There are zero consequences for thief's.
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Azura Solus
Canibus Liberum
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:58:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:Getting really tired of doing missions and going for salvage and having ***hats warp in to swipe everything. Not sure what's going on, if it's a result from the patch, but it used to be you got kill rights if someone stole a cargo from one of your wrecks. Apparently that's no longer the case.
Kill rights no but if they steal from a wreck / cargo container and not just salvage it then you will be able to shoot at them for 15 minutes. If this wasnt the case then id suggest you file a bug report as it is a issue with inferno. |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:59:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? Dunno. Have you tried shooting these asshats "stealing" your wrecks?If you did, you'd know about the consequences. |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:59:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:In fact, it's become quite the noob-hunting sport in high-sec space: Kill a rat, leave the wreck, and when someone says "Hey, can I salvage that?" you say "Sure" then kill them when you get the 15mins of kill-rights.
Quite. Except salvaging doesn't invoke aggression, looting the wreck does.
You should probably join Eve University or some other noob training Corp as your understanding of game mechanics is sorely lacking. Additionally, might I suggest doing your carebearing in one of the hundreds of other systems that aren't frequented by ninja salvagers?
Hardwick Johnson wrote:This is false. There are zero consequences for thief's.
Sure there are, you're just ignorant of them or being intentionally obtuse. I'm still on the fence. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:00:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:Getting really tired of doing missions and going for salvage and having ***hats warp in to swipe everything. Not sure what's going on, if it's a result from the patch, but it used to be you got kill rights if someone stole a cargo from one of your wrecks. Apparently that's no longer the case. And before the sand-box-queens chime in: Save it. I get the whole "It's a sandbox" thing. But it's not a sandbox. Not really. If it's a true sand box there would be no rules. If there's no rules, then let me put a bullet in the ***-hat's face for stealing my s**t. Or have concord do something useful besides lagging the gates in their polished ships. Let us kill anyone who steals our wrecks/cargo/ore/whatever, or have CONCORD get off their ***es and pop the d**k's. High-Sec is a joke. Apparently with INFERNO, anyone can steal from you but if you respond, *YOU* get killed by CONCORD. So high-sec is a place where people steal from you without fear. Again, save the "sandbox" crap. In real life I get to shoot criminals. NullSec/LowSec, well, at least THERE you can shoot people without having concord get all pissy about you killing a criminal, just people with less than a year or two stand no chance there. So thanks EVE: You're either an old hand and immune from getting CONCORDED, or just someone who has their **** stolen all the time. WTF, over?
Trick is to destroy any can they fly towards, if Im not having the fruits of my labour then no one is. Eventually they get the message and leave.
Tal
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TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:00:00 -
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CONCORD is a preventive force, not a protective one. Much like all police forces. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:01:00 -
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That would involve :effort: and :risk: and would lead to far fewer tears. Dismissed. [/quote]
It would also take being in a player corp. And for the little pricks to be in a player corp as well. Or can we now go hostile with NPC corps. (I'm still kinda new) |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:01:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:
I've had people get aggression timers against me for taking a wreck in a belt. People leave them there all the time.
In fact, it's become quite the noob-hunting sport in high-sec space: Kill a rat, leave the wreck, and when someone says "Hey, can I salvage that?" you say "Sure" then kill them when you get the 15mins of kill-rights.
You have that completely arse about face, salvaging a wreck does not trigger an aggression timer, looting a wreck does.
The salvage isn't yours until it's in your cargobay, the loot however is.
If you really really dislike the ninja looters then you have a couple of choices, you can pop the wrecks just as they get to them, trigger the next NPC wave and leave, letting the ninja deal with them, abandon your wrecks (most don't like this, they're not actually after your loot, they're after kill rights on you for killing their looting frigate), if you're capable of tanking the whole room leave any scramming NPCs for last, hopefully they latch onto the ninjas and scram them, you can then offer to kill the scramming NPC for the contents of the ninja's cargo, or the value of their implants/ship.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:02:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:Come to my system sometime: People tag behind us on missions all the time and take our salvage (which has always been legal) and the wreck cargo (which used to allow us to shoot them, but now does not). Then file a bug report on crimewatch, instead of whining here.
Hardwick Johnson wrote:This is false. There are zero consequences for thief's. When was the last time you saw someone get concorded for stealing anything? |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:02:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who???
Bullshit called and rightly so.
It just adds another measure of math.
Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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Lustralis
Tiny Holdings
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:06:00 -
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Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Don't start a debate about this old chesnut. If people are looting your cans, MOVE TO ANOTHER SYSTEM, preferably one out of the way. Use this handy tool. These discussions are really boring and only serve to give the annoying ass-hats who engage in this ass-hattery the attention they so desperately crave. Be a man, move elsewhere and forget about them.
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Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:06:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:[quote=Hardwick Johnson]Come to my system sometime: People tag behind us on missions all the time and take our salvage (which has always been legal) and the wreck cargo (which used to allow us to shoot them, but now does not). Then file a bug report on crimewatch, instead of whining here.
I have. Thanks for the constructive input. /sarcasm off
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:06:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? Bullshit called and rightly so. It just adds another measure of math. Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out.
Another measure of math?
It's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw?
Freebasing mechanics?
Can I have some of whatever the **** you're freebasing? It sounds delightful. |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:08:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:I have. Thanks for the constructive input. /sarcasm off Then why the million tears post? Have they spent several weeks without fixing it, or even respond to your petition? |
Shian Yang
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:13:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:So high-sec is a place where people steal from you without fear. Again, save the "sandbox" crap. In real life I get to shoot criminals. NullSec/LowSec, well, at least THERE you can shoot people without having concord get all pissy about you killing a criminal, just people with less than a year or two stand no chance there.
Greetings capsuleer,
It seems to me the answer to your problem is so simple you have answered it for yourself. Move away from the dubious protection offered by CONCORD. Come to live on the frontier of space where the stagnant empires and their lackeys cannot touch you.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:13:00 -
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Im a ninja looter, ninja salvager, canfliper and ganker.
Apparently, you don't like my EvE Online profession. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:14:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Don't start a debate about this old chesnut. If people are looting your cans, MOVE TO ANOTHER SYSTEM, preferably one out of the way. Use this handy tool. These discussions are really boring and only serve to give the annoying ass-hats who engage in this ass-hattery the attention they so desperately crave. Be a man, move elsewhere and forget about them.
If this has been an ongoing issue, why doesn't CCP just allow us the right to kill them. Or do the DEV's like to spank it when reading these threads? I guess it's better than being a Furry, though it's still kinda sick. How about it DEV's? How about you apply this "sandbox" you keep preaching about evenly. Let us slap the silly bastards upside the head for stealing. Slap a child in the ass enough times, they'll think twice. If not, they grow into criminals and nothing says "save the tax-payer the cost of a trial" like shooting a criminal in the face.
As to moving: I'd rather not leave my PI space and the agents I've built up a rep with. If I have to, I will. But why do I have to move all my ships/inventory because one guy who can just follow me about like an annoying stay cat? When do I get to skin the cat? |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
176
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:16:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Ioci wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? Bullshit called and rightly so. It just adds another measure of math. Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out. Another measure of math? It's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw? Freebasing mechanics? Can I have some of whatever the **** you're freebasing? It sounds delightful.
You should get a Job for CNN, you can read shite back and make it sound like you have half a notion wtf you are talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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