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Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:16:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Im a ninja looter, ninja salvager, canfliper and ganker.
Apparently, you don't like my EvE Online profession.
Actually I don't mind it all. I'd just love the chance to pop you for it. And if you win: Kudos. I go home and lick my wounds and leave the spoils to the victor. But let me have the shot at taking you down is all I ask... |
Hardwick Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:18:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:
Greetings capsuleer,
It seems to me the answer to your problem is so simple you have answered it for yourself. Move away from the dubious protection offered by CONCORD. Come to live on the frontier of space where the stagnant empires and their lackeys cannot touch you.
Regards,
Shian Yang
Would love to and so goes the grand plan. Alas, "...of mice and men" as the old yarn goes.... At a month in the game, I'd be dead 30-40 times just trying to get there. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:22:00 -
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I'll just point out that ninja salvaging is seen by CCP to be a valid profession within the Eve universe.
Here's some linkage for the OPs benefit
Eve Wiki on ninja salvaging
Eve Uni on ninja salvaging
Per CCP Mitnal:CCP Mitnal wrote:"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : GM Faolchu wrote:Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : GM Ytterbium wrote:Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : CCP Prism X wrote:Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. Per CCP Incognito : CCP Incognito wrote:Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:24:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection.
Consequences for ppl attacking Gankers and business expenses for the gankers http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:24:00 -
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If you are referring to salvage [you don't come across that clearly to me] then salvage is allowed to be taken by anyone, as a mini-profession like mining [you ever hear about miners complaining about someone taking their asteroids?]. A character taking your loot INSIDE the wreck can be shot as soon as they take it [you just need to work at catching them]
I personally have taken salvage from mission runners before [in caldari space] and some of the choice modules from their wrecks, though those mission runners were not able to be fast enough or have the right modules to tackle me before I escaped. I have had one or two of my ships shot under me while attempting such things but that was from npcs [those exploding gas clouds are dangerous too].
A good tip to avoiding legal salvagers and module thieves [like myself] is to do your mission running in an out of way system where theres less chance of encountering them [unlike for example Motsu] or perhaps in low-sec/0.0. Having an escort with you while you do your mission might also be an alternative. Most mission runners however tend to do them solo and/or don't mthink about module theives/legal salvagers anyway so are often caught out. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:26:00 -
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In honor of this thread I am going to go ninja looting the rest of the day. |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:30:00 -
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"I'm NOT SURE WHATS GOING ON wrote:Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Clearly you can just SHOOT, NOS, Target Paint, warp Scramble etc etc any wreckage. Concord placed no value on it .. HEY WHY ARE THEY SHOOTING ME?
OP, CCP don't get it right and can't get it right without breaking things. Stop running missions anyway. They are injecting ISK into the system :-/
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Shian Yang
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:31:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:Would love to and so goes the grand plan. Alas, "...of mice and men" as the old yarn goes.... At a month in the game, I'd be dead 30-40 times just trying to get there.
Greetings capsuleer,
Then what makes you think you'd be likely to survive a baiter even if you had kill rights?
Find a corporation and move to the boundary where your own guns count for more than the lack of protection from a doughnut of CONCORD.
They can escort, teach and get you moving. It takes time and means making friends but if that is the grand plan you cannot go wrong. It is the future of New Eden.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:38:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:Would love to and so goes the grand plan. Alas, "...of mice and men" as the old yarn goes.... At a month in the game, I'd be dead 30-40 times just trying to get there. Greetings capsuleer, Then what makes you think you'd be likely to survive a baiter even if you had kill rights? Find a corporation and move to the boundary where your own guns count for more than the lack of protection from a doughnut of CONCORD. They can escort, teach and get you moving. It takes time and means making friends but if that is the grand plan you cannot go wrong. It is the future of New Eden. Regards, Shian Yang
or dont mission in ninja popular areas... IE Get out of caldari space
I havent been ninjaed in at least a year http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size The Rat Race
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:40:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson -- was this in Lustrevik yesterday? If so, that a**hat was me :) If not, then ignore the following.
Just to let you and everyone else know what was going on, i was incredibly bored and decided to go on a ninja salvaging spree, which consisted of..well, just you tbh. I scanned you down and then, upon warping cloaked into your first-room of your mission, saw nothing but abandoned wrecks.
Deciding to make some isk, i returned to my home station, picked up my Noctis and returned - only to find another noctis handily tractoring in wrecks - this saved me a fair amount of time flying about - and i began salvaging as i went. At no point was i contacted by my fellow salvageer (i think i've coined a phrase here) and in fact if you'd paid attention you would have seen that at the end of salvaging the whole room i dumped the entire contents of my cargohold into a can, abandoned it and was happy to let you take the stuff - instead ya warped out and left the container full of salvage. So i shrugged, picked it up and went home with it.
Your distinct lack of understanding regarding outright "theft" (which generally people do so that they can get a fight) and "ninja salvaging" aside, CHILL OUT. Put some time and effort into getting your salvaging skills up and salvage faster next time - or get yourself into a probing ship and do the same -- its fun.
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:19:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Ioci wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? Bullshit called and rightly so. It just adds another measure of math. Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out. Another measure of math? It's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw? Freebasing mechanics? Can I have some of whatever the **** you're freebasing? It sounds delightful. You should get a Job for CNN, you can read shite back and make it sound like you have half a notion wtf you are talking about.
But how can I have half a notion wtf I'm talking about when the content I'm quoting was so obviously written by a lunatic?
free-+base/-êfr-ô-îb-üs/ Noun:******* that has been converted from its salt to its base form by heating with ether or boiling with sodium bicarbonate. Verb:Prepare or take (*******) in such a way.
Unless you can explain how inhaling drugs relates to EVE loot mechanics (not that there's anything wrong with inhaling drugs) or why math should be measured and what effect these measurements have on the failure rate of Corps.
tl;dr - you're talking ****, and I kinda don't mind.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:28:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Terranid Meester wrote:You could always delcare war on their corp and get revenge/suicide gank them etc. That would involve :effort: and :risk: and would lead to far fewer tears. Dismissed. Gank, yeah. But if they're NPC corps alts ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:14:00 -
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Mmmmm... Missioner tears about ninjas. It's been a while, and I'd forgotten how delicious they are.
OP, some ninjas do steal loot, and not just salvage. You should shoot them. It will end up gloriously, I promise. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:21:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who???
Consequences to people who open fire. Think of the UI change this way, if your mom bought you a really, really nice watch for christmas, but when you opened it it wasn't exactly the one you had wanted, or maybe the face was cracked on accident or it didn't fit. Would you scream in her face, tell her how worthless she is, and demand that she make this right? |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:37:00 -
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Problem with EVE is - there are no real rules and there are no real consequences for ones actions in game. As long as there is an easily exploitable bounty system and a Concorde with no teeth - lawlessness will be an issue. Maybe if CCP added real penalties for ones actions - we'd have a more civil game. Don't see it happening because there are to many wannbe pirates that fear real retribution. If there truly were real consequences and penalties for a low security rating, being a pirate, or having a bounty placed on your head - those people would whine like little babies - and they'd whine the loudest of them all. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:48:00 -
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Zhihatsu wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? Consequences to people who open fire.
Like I said... Consequences to ppl trying to kill gankers and a business expense (like ammo to missioners) for the gankers
Ginseng Jita wrote:Problem with EVE is - there are no real rules and there are no real consequences for ones actions in game. As long as there is an easily exploitable bounty system and a Concorde with no teeth - lawlessness will be an issue. Maybe if CCP added real penalties for ones actions - we'd have a more civil game. Don't see it happening because there are to many wannbe pirates that fear real retribution. If there truly were real consequences and penalties for a low security rating, being a pirate, or having a bounty placed on your head - those people would whine like little babies - and they'd whine the loudest of them all.
If they wanted rweal consequences theyd be in 0.0 or lowsec doing "real PVP" but they are pussies and are scared to lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:53:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Hardwick Johnson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Concord provides consequences not protection. Bulls**t. Consequences to who??? Consequences to people who open fire. Like I said... Consequences to ppl trying to kill gankers and a business expense (like ammo to missioners) for the gankers Ginseng Jita wrote:Problem with EVE is - there are no real rules and there are no real consequences for ones actions in game. As long as there is an easily exploitable bounty system and a Concorde with no teeth - lawlessness will be an issue. Maybe if CCP added real penalties for ones actions - we'd have a more civil game. Don't see it happening because there are to many wannbe pirates that fear real retribution. If there truly were real consequences and penalties for a low security rating, being a pirate, or having a bounty placed on your head - those people would whine like little babies - and they'd whine the loudest of them all. If they wanted rweal consequences theyd be in 0.0 or lowsec doing "real PVP" but they are pussies and are scared to lol
The bounty system in this game could be fixed very easily. If a real bounty system were put into place, only the hardest of hardcore players would attempt to play a pirate. If you read what I proposed to fix the bounty system - one that is un-exploitable. I bet you'd be the first to say **** that.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Mmmmm... Missioner tears about ninjas. It's been a while, and I'd forgotten how delicious they are.
OP, some ninjas do steal loot, and not just salvage. You should shoot them. It will end up gloriously, I promise. Nothing like a stealthy ninja ... ninjaing your loot. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:31:00 -
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Hardwick Johnson wrote:And before the sand-box-queens chime in: Save it. I get the whole "It's a sandbox" thing. But it's not a sandbox. Not really. If it's a true sand box there would be no rules. If there's no rules, then let me put a bullet in the ***-hat's face for stealing my s**t.
There's literally hundreds of systems where you can play 'no rules' gameplay. Pick one of those.
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