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iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:18:00 -
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Wow CCP...
First singlewindow inventory that doesn't work properly at all, in fact it's worse then it's predecessor.
AND EVERY FCUKING BODY ON SISI TOLD YOU NOT TOO. Then you go ahead and ban last years champions from even defending their hard won 1st spot?
No rules were broken so far, and with corp bookmarks being the most awesome thing you ever did for wormholes. I can understand why they'd rather be in one corp.
This is by far the most cocky move ever done, and I don't like it one bit.
Now PL has no competition at all.... |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:37:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad.
But sisi has it own set of rules, and nowhere in the alliance rules did you state that these rules apply on sisi. In court here you would have nothing to stand on and this case would be dismissed on case of techniquality.
You can however still win back a few of your playerbase by making it right, by letting one of them participate.
But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX.
Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX. Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both.
Please tell me more about court I've never been in one. :edit: As per the post you quoted sisi's rules weren't what they were banned for. The tournament rules are. I don't understand why this appears so hard to follow.
Please don't ignore the bolded underline line. Ignored problems don't magicly vanish. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:50:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Klown Walk wrote:Why didn-¦t anyone from the AT team respond to any email from them? or give them a warning instead of instantly removing them? hi you seem to have missed the part where the email was posted but wasn't actually what was going on so responding to that email wouldn't have changed a thing I hope this helps.
Can you please refer me to the topic where the rules that are subject to change* got changed, and publicly announced that the A-team would also get banned.
Because I will quote the rules as they're on the AT community website right now.
Quote:Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be 'B' or 'C' teams for bigger Alliances.
And your post where you ban Hydra and Outbreak from entering is not a public announcement of a changed rule. |
iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:55:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Klown Walk wrote:Why didn-¦t anyone from the AT team respond to any email from them? or give them a warning instead of instantly removing them? hi you seem to have missed the part where the email was posted but wasn't actually what was going on so responding to that email wouldn't have changed a thing I hope this helps. Can you please refer me to the topic where the rules that are subject to change* got changed, and publicly announced that the A-team would also get banned. Because I will quote the rules as they're on the AT community website right now. Quote:Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be 'B' or 'C' teams for bigger Alliances. And your post where you ban Hydra and Outbreak from entering is not a public announcement of a changed rule. You are correct that was enforcement of the rules. So close! You're probably the biggest troll of us all Sreegs. But the only thing you did was crush my expectation to see how Hydra was going to fare in this new AT.
Genuinly dissappointed with CCP in general now. I can't believe how happy I was when crucible got released. And now it's back to ye olde CCP with no regards for playerbase, unified inventory being the perfect example from that.
Thank you for ruining my viewing pleasure of ATX, and taking out what probably would have been the most fun fights to watch. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:03:00 -
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And Sreegs did you read this article: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/24/internet-spaceships-are-serious-business
It was posted on EvE Online's Facebook a few days ago. When I read that article I thought that's exactly what eve is like and that makes it unique.
I don't know if it was your sole decision to ban Hydra/OB, or if other people were involved in the making. But I bet you were one of the higher ups in that equasion, and choices like the one made here.
Banning both teams instead of one, such choices make noone happy but the worst of trolls (and goonplayers somehow).
I like EVE very much, because there is no other MMO out there that keeps fascinating me this much. But sometimes I think, you guys don't know what your doing.
It just makes no sense to any logical, objective, observant. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:27:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: You are correct that was enforcement of the rules. So close!
To go further, I still have to see the rule where it says A-teams will also be banned. You never mention that you will also disqualify A-teams.
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iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:18:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: You're probably the biggest troll of us all Sreegs. But the only thing you did was crush my expectation to see how Hydra was going to fare in this new AT.
Genuinly dissappointed with CCP in general now. I can't believe how happy I was when crucible got released. And now it's back to ye olde CCP with no regards for playerbase, unified inventory being the perfect example from that.
Thank you for ruining my viewing pleasure of ATX, and taking out what probably would have been the most fun fights to watch.
I'm pretty sure I usually blame the people responsible for wrongdoing when I get mad. I don't blame the prison. Hopefully this helps point your anger in the right direction.
If you want to go that way let's prosecute them in front of a jury of peers. Still need to see the rule where it states that A-teams will be disqualified aswell.
If you're so hung on to them, show me proof that they're were going to do this again. And that still doesn't give you the right to ban both divisions of what is, according to you/whoever made the decision one team. Because it's nowhere stated in the new or old rules |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: You are correct that was enforcement of the rules. So close!
To go further, I still have to see the rule where it says A-teams will also be banned. You never mention that you will also disqualify A-teams. Try reading the rule because we actually said we'd ban both teams. Vague wording at best, it's not even included in the FULL RULE LIST which you can find in the dev blog archive. Excerpt from devblog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28644 ):
Quote:These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.
Match Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances.
Where is it hidden ;-) |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Intigo wrote:
It's a good thing that CCP clarified that joining the same corp was not allowed, but practicing together is.
The fact that the rule is so vague is the very reason that CVA & 4th were confused. They had considered doing the very same thing before HYDRA & Outbreak were banned.
Do you think Sreegs would have instantly banned their teams too?
Don't confuse my posts with anything other than replies related to previous tournies, go back a bit further and you'll see i do not agree with the complete ban, even the rules previously posted don't mention A-Teams being banned for having b,c, etc teams We did mention it somewhere it just really isn't worth my time digging it up for people who won't be participating in this year's alliance tournament. And that's the precise reason why you should step out and let someone above you handle this. |
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iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:57:00 -
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Even a simpleton can easily why they went off together for the sake of convenience. And if you're a bit serious about winning, like Hydra & outbreak are. You go practice in a wormhole.
They only need 1 corp. They can train against worthy adversaries. Fleet finder is a nifty handy tool when you can just tick "corporation".
And there's this super awesome feature introduced (after being pushed by an elected official of the playerbase, TwoStep) called Corporation Bookmarks.
As wormhole dwelling resident, I can tell you this one was a lifechanger. |
iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:00:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:Even a simpleton can easily why they went off together for the sake of convenience. And if you're a bit serious about winning, like Hydra & outbreak are. You go practice in a wormhole.
They only need 1 corp. They can train against worthy adversaries. Fleet finder is a nifty handy tool when you can just tick "corporation".
And there's this super awesome feature introduced (after being pushed by an elected official of the playerbase, TwoStep) called Corporation Bookmarks.
As wormhole dwelling resident, I can tell you this one was a lifechanger. If you're serious about winning you enter two teams and act that way. Just like every team that will be competing this year. And so they did! They just trained against each other! |
iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:11:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:18:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them. Deleting TQ or cancelling the tournament would solve that problem also while we're conjecturing. I think I'm getting good at this. It's so much easier than dealing with reality thanks! That's an even better option! It would get rid of 2 problems at once! But I just want to see Hydro or Outbreak, since your of the opinion that they're one team, in the tournament for ~gudfites~ guess I can't expect that coming from a blobman :-( |
iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:28:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified?? Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules. They weren't kicked out last year good thing I didn't say they were cheating then. What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience
the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this? Still don't see how they broke a "rule" if you cannot provide any proof of their malicious intent.
They just trained together in one wh, against each other. Because you can't get crap for fights on sisi.
And next time proof read, because you didn't include the "rule", the one and only, in the full rule list of the devblog. It's not in there, it's above there. But you did update all the other rules properly... Done on purpose for an entierly different reason?
Quote:Next week we will be going into more detail about how you can participate in the random draw and how to apply for an auction spot. Today we want to look at tournament rules and what we wanted to achieve with these. While a full listing is available below for your perusal, and will be updated on the new Alliance Tournament page next week, we would like to take a moment and highlight some of the important changes:
We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the qualifying rounds from five to six. We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the final two weekends from 10 to 12. Match times have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost. Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.
Match Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances. |
iLLeLogicaL
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience
the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this? Still don't see how they broke a "rule" if you cannot provide any proof of their malicious intent. They just trained together in one wh, against each other. Because you can't get crap for fights on sisi. And next time proof read, because you didn't include the "rule", the one and only, in the full rule list of the devblog. It's not in there, it's above there. But you did update all the other rules properly... Done on purpose for an entierly different reason? Quote:Next week we will be going into more detail about how you can participate in the random draw and how to apply for an auction spot. Today we want to look at tournament rules and what we wanted to achieve with these. While a full listing is available below for your perusal, and will be updated on the new Alliance Tournament page next week, we would like to take a moment and highlight some of the important changes:
We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the qualifying rounds from five to six. We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the final two weekends from 10 to 12. Match times have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost. Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.
Match Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances. I get it. You're not going to get it. Enough.
No you don't. You made a stupid mistake and didn't include in the list. Ergo not a valid rule. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:21:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Sahjahn wrote:Apparantly you're not allowed to state how useless you feel certain members of CCP staff are.
Strange you'd think as paying customers you would be entitled to such opinions and able to air them. You think that's strange? I'm not really familiar with any games that would let people abuse staff members just because they're customers. If I buy you a $1000 jeans will you forgo your personal vendetta against last year champs? Both teams of them.
And this isn't personal, it's just a stupid mistake to ban them both. |
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