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Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 23:34:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema wrote:Makkz wrote:No ones buying it, your leadership made a serious serious error, live with it.
Actually, if you read through this thread, you'll see that there are quite a few people who believe Hydra's story, or at the very least that Hydra's story is a plausible explanation given the circumstances and evidence that have so far been presented.
thats not quite right. Its more that they thought the MIGHT be in the ok and decided to go ahead LIKE THEY HAD THE OK To all everyone concerned over the fairness involving the H/O disqualification https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113351&find=unread |
Tyzzara
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 23:47:00 -
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Tyzzara wrote:/me sighs
Having a rule that essentially allows CCP to pick and choose teams at their leisure sucks.
However, it is a necessary evil. The challenge to create written rules which would address AT9 problems is not realistic. Unless they are going to single people out and/or create a gridlock mess of fine print to be interpreted by anyone with an opinion.
v0v
Nobody wants to see two 'friends' meet up for the final match and then count seconds while watching the clock. That match sucked. Bad. (attempting to ensure no repeat of AT9 final is damn difficult here folks due to the level of meta-gaming, etc...)
The way they are doing it 'clean-slate' is the only choice out of several poor options to choose from.
I think CCP is handling it as well as can be expected.
/me waves hand at others
Continue...
I find it humorous that the same people who were able to entirely manipulate last years event are now screaming from the rooftops about CCP decision. You should have applied some creative thought to specifically making it look like two separate teams from the start. You guys knew the situation. You knew all eyes were on you.
Then you Derped. You are all intelligent enough to know that you should have been more pro-active to ensure CCP had no reason to do this.
Now we all pay the price. Champs are not even in the running. Hmmph....
Life... there is nothing like it. I mean... you can't make this **** up. AFK Time Zone |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.05.25 23:51:00 -
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Slutty Underwear wrote:All I can say about this is "Poor Show CCP. Poor Show indeed".
To ban 3 Alliances for (Not proven) Meta-gaming in a game that is built on meta-gaming bad. But not only do you ban 3 Alliances for meta-gaming. You let one off (PL) for no good reason. All 4 of them should be in or all 4 should be out. It is very unfair for the rest that PL are in and the rest not. Your rule say no "Team B's". PL had 1 and you still let them in. Shame on you CCP. Shame. Hryda and Outbreak did not (1") have a "B Team". They had 2 "A Teams" practising. CCP you have mad a right HASH of this.
I agree CCP could've handled all this a lot better, I don't agree that PL had a B-team since I know Shamis was quite emphatic about wanting all their focus on a single team, but CCP have their own definitions and their own interpretations (and lack of intel obviously) CCP have no way of knowing what PL / hydra / 0utbreak are thinking or doing out of game so they can only base their decisions on apperances, hydrbreak were really stupid and failed horribly to make it look like they weren't breaking the rule, that's all there is to it really.
CFC is a coalition not an alliance so of course they have multiple teams, no PL don't have one hidden away, they want to win under their own name and rightly focus all their resources on doing so without risking getting banned for stupidity.
That link is to a completely unrealistic and pointless scenerio, no it's not impossible - yes it is ********. |
Karbox Delacroix
Emo Rage Quit
8
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Posted - 2012.05.25 23:54:00 -
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That CCP trumpets how their poor permission system led to a spy disbanding an entire alliance while simultaneously decrying the meta-game in ATX(*) is simply silly.
Live by the SPA! die by the SPAI.
* Let ATX forever be known as ATX(*). Let the winner of ATX(*) be known as the winner(*) of ATX(*).
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Zo'ha
Techno Miners
39
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Posted - 2012.05.26 00:52:00 -
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The way I see it as an outsider:
- asks intentionally ambiguous question (the petition) - gets an answer they are happy with and decides that they can do what they intended. - get banned from tournament for breaking the rules - poasts on forum taking the petition response out of context and claiming they are hard done by - community harvests tears
I dont think anyone doubts that 0utbreak/Hydra are separate entities on TQ under normal circumstances. But lets be honest here, the alliance tourney is not normal circumstances and they have proven in the past they work together.
Its their own stupid fault and they have nobody to blame but themselves. It was clear those rules were created so people didnt take the p1ss like last year, so what do you do? Oh yeah, log in to sisi and all join the same corp and share ships and fittings. DERPDERP |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
107
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Posted - 2012.05.26 00:58:00 -
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Zo'ha wrote:The way I see it as an outsider:
- asks intentionally ambiguous question (the petition) - gets an answer they are happy with and decides that they can do what they intended. - get banned from tournament for breaking the rules - poasts on forum taking the petition response out of context and claiming they are hard done by - community harvests tears
I dont think anyone doubts that 0utbreak/Hydra are separate entities on TQ under normal circumstances. But lets be honest here, the alliance tourney is not normal circumstances and they have proven in the past they work together.
Its their own stupid fault and they have nobody to blame but themselves. It was clear those rules were created so people didnt take the p1ss like last year, so what do you do? Oh yeah, log in to sisi and all join the same corp and share ships and fittings. DERPDERP
Why are you ignoring the multiple emails they sent directly to the AT team? |
Zo'ha
Techno Miners
39
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:08:00 -
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If you were in the same position and didn't get a response would you just assume you could do what you wanted?
Personally, if I was investing the amount of time they are purporting to I would err on the side of caution, would you not? |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
107
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:24:00 -
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Zo'ha wrote:If you were in the same position and didn't get a response would you just assume you could do what you wanted?
Personally, if I was investing the amount of time they are purporting to I would err on the side of caution, would you not?
Obviously they knew that the GM response wasnt sufficient, so they emailed the AT organizers several times.
No response. I would go with the only thing I heard from a staff member of CCP. |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
52
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Posted - 2012.05.26 06:41:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:CFC is a coalition not an alliance so of course they have multiple teams
Yeah, *of course* - and being TQ allies they would never share fittings or conspire to metagame together in any way, right?
Karbox Delacroix wrote:That CCP trumpets how their poor permission system led to a spy disbanding an entire alliance while simultaneously decrying the meta-game in ATX(*) is simply silly.
Live by the SPA! die by the SPAI.
* Let ATX forever be known as ATX(*). Let the winner of ATX(*) be known as the winner(*) of ATX(*).
Indeed, this
Michael Harari wrote:Zo'ha wrote:If you were in the same position and didn't get a response would you just assume you could do what you wanted?
Personally, if I was investing the amount of time they are purporting to I would err on the side of caution, would you not? Obviously they knew that the GM response wasnt sufficient, so they emailed the AT organizers several times. No response. I would go with the only thing I heard from a staff member of CCP.
And this. |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
52
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Posted - 2012.05.26 07:02:00 -
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Gobbins wrote:I think CCP has been engaging in a completely new stance of community management.
The old days of "bro CCP" are gone and their new focus is on wider PR.
They have learned that individual alliances can be unfairly punished without that generating too much of a fuss: see the shitcanning of Mittens for example, other bans before that, and today this low blow they did on hydra.
I imagine they want to send a clear message: "mess with our public events (fanfest panel for mittens, AT finals for hydra) and consequences will never be the same" ; since they cannot control what players will do in a live event, and eve is full of trolls, their only way to deal with the problem is to make an example and hope it will act as a deterrent
This is a good post worth repeating btw. If you don't like the "new CCP" you should voice it ("New CCP" has masqueraded as something else after last summer shitstorms but here we see the make up failing) |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
729
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Posted - 2012.05.26 08:32:00 -
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Raimo wrote:This is a good post worth repeating btw. If you don't like the "new CCP" you should voice it ("New CCP" has masqueraded as something else after last summer shitstorms but here we see the make up failing)
We get it Raimo you're mad.
But heres the thing:
You asked "Can 2 teams test against each other".
You were told yes.
If thats all you had done, you'd be fine, but you didn't do that did you?
Did you?
No, no you didn't.
Maybe you should have asked "Hey we're gona roll both teams into one for testing purposes on SiSi, is that cool?" and you would have gotten the answer you're getting now: No, no you can't.
Can you see the difference between what you did and what you should have done? Your team was the one that pissed off the tournament presenters last year, your team is the one that should have been making EXTRA sure you weren't doing anything to **** them off this year.
And no, writing misleading emails that leave out vital things like your intent to practice as one team and then acting even though those emails weren't answered by the proper people is not making EXTRA sure.
We get it, you're mad that you've been bounced, but I would say that we're all equally mad that you had the balls to even try what you were trying because a god damn drooling ****** lobotomized downs syndrome patient would have seen your ban coming a mile off.
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
514
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:00:00 -
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If they ask if they can test against / with eachother on Sisi then what does the format matter? What happens on Sisi is / can be different from things on Tranqility.
If CCP can't even be bothered to pull their heads out of their arses and communicate then screw AT completely.
AT isn't about alliance against alliance anymore. It's about wallet versus wallet. And CCP needs their shiny AT toy to promo a game with but not letting a major part of that game actually seep through into the AT.
Let's put it blatantly clear.
CCP screwed up here big time. A simple communication effort of them would have resolved the whole matter easy. But like a little kid which still had a grudgematch open for last years AT they didn't bother and smashed their toys in anger and took it out on those bad bad Hydra / Outbreak people.
A Heretic spokesman keeps saying here how well deserved that was but the underlying message is actually " Damn lucky we got rid of 2 very impressive teams which makes it easier for us" Where the Goon brosefs stance is was already clear, no need to waste any words on them.
There are so many solutions which would have been way more elegant or diplomatic but CCP chose to take none of those solutions. They stomp their feet, break their own rules to get the message through because ofcourse they can break them at a whim and reinforce them in the same breath again. We call that childish behaviour where we enforce a rule which only the rulemaker can break.
And the best part is that talking about it get's either made impossible by locks or simply ignoring people up to post deletion and even singlesided rule enforcement.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
53
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:09:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: because a god damn drooling ****** lobotomized downs syndrome patient would have seen your ban coming a mile off.
Ah, a show of character, nice. You're kind of special, aren't you?
And no, I'm not particularly mad. I was never going to be a big part of the team this year. To me this is more a question of "FFS will the CCP Goon get away with *ANYTHING*?"
Killer Gandry wrote:
Let's put it blatantly clear.
CCP screwed up here big time. A simple communication effort of them would have resolved the whole matter easy. But like a little kid which still had a grudgematch open for last years AT they didn't bother and smashed their toys in anger and took it out on those bad bad Hydra / Outbreak people.
A Heretic spokesman keeps saying here how well deserved that was but the underlying message is actually " Damn lucky we got rid of 2 very impressive teams which makes it easier for us" Where the Goon brosefs stance is was already clear, no need to waste any words on them.
There are so many solutions which would have been way more elegant or diplomatic but CCP chose to take none of those solutions. They stomp their feet, break their own rules to get the message through because ofcourse they can break them at a whim and reinforce them in the same breath again. We call that childish behaviour where we enforce a rule which only the rulemaker can break.
And the best part is that talking about it get's either made impossible by locks or simply ignoring people up to post deletion and even singlesided rule enforcement.
...And yes, this is quite clear. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
518
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:11:00 -
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Don't you mean CCP GoonS, as in plural.
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Kyang Tia
Matari Exodus
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 11:04:00 -
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I really dno't want to get into this discussion, since it is getting inceasingly pointless.
Just one thing: Hydra and Outbreak members, you have my highest respect for being among the best PvPers in this game. You may have screwed up the finals of AT9, but then again, the whole tourney before that would not have been half as entertaining without you. Without the best, AT10 is probably going to be a somewhat boring affair. You will be missed. Fly safe. |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
56
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Posted - 2012.05.26 11:05:00 -
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Kyang Tia wrote:I really dno't want to get into this discussion, since it is getting inceasingly pointless.
Just one thing: Hydra and Outbreak members, you have my highest respect for being among the best PvPers in this game. You may have screwed up the finals of AT9, but then again, the whole tourney before that would not have been half as entertaining without you. Without the best, AT10 is probably going to be a somewhat boring affair. You will be missed. Fly safe.
o7 and thanks.
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Edenmain
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 11:17:00 -
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Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1429
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Posted - 2012.05.26 11:26:00 -
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Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
56
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Posted - 2012.05.26 11:41:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad.
Sorry CCP Sreegs (I did promise to post less) but I'm quite fascinated by this new somethingawful.com version of CCP. "Tears", "spewing", "(U) mad" are a new sight from people basically trying to sell us their product... But it seems to suit you and the powers that be, carry on. |
Edenmain
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 11:57:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad.
I not particularly "Mad" I've not lost anything of any value, lost the chance to again participate in the tourney maybe and maybe win some pixelated ship and/or isk.
You on the otherhand seem to have lost any credibility with some very old EVE gamers, alienated a vast majority of the EVE public and devalued the Alliance Tournament on it's 10th anniversay.
I think I'm losing the "who's maddest" contest. |
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Ravelin Eb
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:16:00 -
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Edenmain wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad. I not particularly "Mad" I've not lost anything of any value, lost the chance to again participate in the tourney maybe and maybe win some pixelated ship and/or isk. You on the otherhand seem to have lost any credibility with some very old EVE gamers, alienated a vast majority of the EVE public and devalued the Alliance Tournament on it's 10th anniversay. I think I'm losing the "who's maddest" contest.
You devalued the alliance tournament by deliberately breaking the rules(you know the one created to stop what you did last year), CCP are on the ball and caught you out, its your own fault that the tournament is 'devalued' at the loss of your teams. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:18:00 -
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Wow CCP...
First singlewindow inventory that doesn't work properly at all, in fact it's worse then it's predecessor.
AND EVERY FCUKING BODY ON SISI TOLD YOU NOT TOO. Then you go ahead and ban last years champions from even defending their hard won 1st spot?
No rules were broken so far, and with corp bookmarks being the most awesome thing you ever did for wormholes. I can understand why they'd rather be in one corp.
This is by far the most cocky move ever done, and I don't like it one bit.
Now PL has no competition at all.... |
Lemster
Disconnected. Choke Point
11
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:19:00 -
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Edenmain wrote: alienated a vast majority of the EVE public and devalued the Alliance Tournament on it's 10th anniversay.
I think I'm losing the "who's maddest" contest.
If you believe that you speak for the vast majority of the EVE public then I think you may have pulled yourself back into the lead ;) |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:37:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad.
But sisi has it own set of rules, and nowhere in the alliance rules did you state that these rules apply on sisi. In court here you would have nothing to stand on and this case would be dismissed on case of techniquality.
You can however still win back a few of your playerbase by making it right, by letting one of them participate.
But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX.
Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1433
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:39:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad. But sisi has it own set of rules, and nowhere in the alliance rules did you state that these rules apply on sisi. In court here you would have nothing to stand on and this case would be dismissed on case of techniquality. You can however still win back a few of your playerbase by making it right, by letting one of them participate. But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX. Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both.
Please tell me more about court I've never been in one.
:edit: As per the post you quoted sisi's rules weren't what they were banned for. The tournament rules are. I don't understand why this appears so hard to follow. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
280
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:43:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Edenmain wrote:
Fair enough, but CCP.... Don'y you dare refer to EVE as a sandbox ever again, because it's clearly not... Well at least one that's raked flat by you whenever you feel the need.
The alliance tournament has never been a sandbox and by nature never will or can be. We make rules that specifically make it not a sandbox. When those rules aren't followed we enforce them. I'm sorry if you're confusing The Alliance Tournament Rules with the overall premise of the spaceship videogame EVE Online, but the fact remains that the sandbox mentality has never applied to the tournament. Except perhaps when it is convenient to forum posters who are mad. But sisi has it own set of rules, and nowhere in the alliance rules did you state that these rules apply on sisi. In court here you would have nothing to stand on and this case would be dismissed on case of techniquality. You can however still win back a few of your playerbase by making it right, by letting one of them participate. But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX. Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both. Please tell me more about court I've never been in one. :edit: As per the post you quoted sisi's rules weren't what they were banned for. The tournament rules are. I don't understand why this appears so hard to follow. Screegs you cant win againts trolls |
Dr Robertson
ImpeviA
2
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Please tell me more about court I've never been in one.
lulz, some1 is very mad here :D' Keep good posting, lose more in eyes of community, GJ
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iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX. Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both.
Please tell me more about court I've never been in one. :edit: As per the post you quoted sisi's rules weren't what they were banned for. The tournament rules are. I don't understand why this appears so hard to follow.
Please don't ignore the bolded underline line. Ignored problems don't magicly vanish. |
Klown Walk
Fat People Lag IRL
89
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:45:00 -
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Why didn-Št anyone from the AT team respond to any email from them? or give them a warning instead of instantly removing them? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1433
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:46:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: But instead what you did, send a half assed reply and then when they can not do anything more to please you. You say, but you did something wrong and for that you get banned from participating in ATX. Instead of saying right from the start, It's either hydra or outbreak but not both.
Please tell me more about court I've never been in one. :edit: As per the post you quoted sisi's rules weren't what they were banned for. The tournament rules are. I don't understand why this appears so hard to follow. Please don't ignore the bolded underline line. Ignored problems don't magicly vanish.
Bolding and underlining don't magicly make words relevant. Read the stickies. They're not bolded and underlined but they do explain the situation! "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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