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Anna Katarr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:27:00 -
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Kazruw Drol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[quote=Kazruw Drol]Guys relax. It's just springtime for CCP, and they have a tradition of going full Screegs this time of the year. I just wish this years Alliance Tournament wasn't based on Whose line is it anyway.In the future it would be best if all similar decision had to be accepted by the CSM in order to avoid another Screegs/t20 incident. The rules clearly state that 'B' and 'C' can be disqualified, but say nothing about 'A' teams.
oh, nice... so... is hydra or outbreak considered the 'a' team? unban them then...? pretty please? |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
18
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:28:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified?? Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules. They weren't kicked out last year good thing I didn't say they were cheating then. What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience |
Typhu5
Isstastor Corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:28:00 -
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Shiroi Okami wrote:How did this idiot even become a dev....
Plz..... be respectful. |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
78
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:The response they got didn't ok what they did nor did they say what they were doing in the email making both irrelevant but I already explained this. Now I know why there are canned responses this is getting tiring.
Can you please tell me why you didn't respond to them?
Also I would like your phone/Skype/MSN messenger details in case it turns out that you refuse to respond to any emails I might send in the future regarding the AT?
And by you I mean the entire CCP team in charge of the alliance tournament (not singling you out in particular just because the others have slithered away..).
Thanks! |
ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
27
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:ScoRpS wrote:Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation? I'm going to worry about that next year. Right now I have this year's tournament to worry about.
If that were actually true you wouldn't be here now responding. Can you answer the question again properly please?
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:29:00 -
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Kazruw Drol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Kazruw Drol wrote:Guys relax. It's just springtime for CCP, and they have a tradition of going full Screegs this time of the year. I just wish this years Alliance Tournament wasn't based on Whose line is it anyway.In the future it would be best if all similar decision had to be accepted by the CSM in order to avoid another Screegs/t20 incident. Yes, banning a team from the tournament for continued wrongdoing is similar to developer scandals involving item creation. You clearly have a firm grasp on reality and are good with perspective. The point was that in both cases CCP failed to treat alliances equally. t20 created valuable items, you prevented people from getting them and destroyed the Alliance Tournament. You clearly antagonized Hydra and 0utbreak while giving a freepass to RvB and PL. The rules clearly state that 'B' and 'C' can be disqualified, but say nothing about 'A' teams. Considering their actions last year, I'm not surprised that this rule was applied, but it only allows you to disqualify ONE of the teams, like you did with PL and Waffles. Trying to troll paying customers is generally a bad idea as CCP should have learned last summer, so I suggest you stop it. Trying to rules lawyers you're way into the clear is outright ludicrous, since this is EVE and you're arguing with real lawyers. Right now you're just undoing all the hard work CCP has done to redeem it's horrible reputation. Instead of stonewalling you should admit your mistake, step down and let Hydra participate.
The only thing destroying this tournament is people having to read the same regurgitated post in this forum over and over again. I'm sorry you feel applying the rules as we said we would destroys CCP's reputation but I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:29:00 -
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Edenmain wrote:
Awwwww and there we go, an admision of bitterness. Last year we did nothing wrong , no cheating nothing that was described in the rules as cheating. Yeah might have upset a few people with the final blah blah.
Funny stuff!
That is like saying a judge is "bitter" and "holding a grudge" for enforcing a rule that may as well be called the "Hydra Rule" because it was put in place for what you did last year. |
IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. Still waiting on the link/quote stating 'A' teams will get banned if they are deemed to have a 'B' team. I linked it a page or two ago.
Missed it due to edit: Anyway, Quote ''We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.''.
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:30:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:ScoRpS wrote:Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation? I'm going to worry about that next year. Right now I have this year's tournament to worry about. If that were actually true you wouldn't be here now responding. Can you answer the question again properly please?
You got your answer and quoted it. It's the only one you're getting. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Harold Tuphlos
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:30:00 -
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I am finding Hydra/outbreak's complaining that the rule is vague to be hilarious. A simple look at the rule in the context of which it was made tells us that hydra/outbreak practicing together was a bad idea. Doing so as a single corp in a wormhole was guaranteed to get at least one of their teams banned.
Here is context for anybody that might be a little confused: IN AT IX, Hydra and Outbreak are/work together as a single team (completely legal) They make it to the final match. Bad match, people are mad.
For AT X, CCP bans multiple teams from the same group because of the final that Hydra and Outbreak made. Hydra and Outbreak ask if they can practice together when they didn't have enough to practice seperately, they get no response from the tournament team. They finally get a GM to give them a positve answer. Rather than doing what they asked, they went into a wormhole on SiSi and practiced as a single entity.
Since the the rule was made to prevent A and B teams from getting to the final, and CCP cannot tell the intentions of that group, one of them has to be removed from the tournament. And since it is the very two "teams" that caused the rule to be made in the first place, CCP removed both. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:31:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified?? Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules. They weren't kicked out last year good thing I didn't say they were cheating then. What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience
the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this? "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Hroya
51
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:32:00 -
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If they were cheating then that would be awesome. I mean come on, this is EvE, if you-¦re not cheating you are concidered a carebear. Cheating, changing the deck, misinformation, manipulation, bending rules, that is what we ( most are i presume ) enjoy about this game.
You cant honestly expect that all those dirty bastards go play by the rules all of a sudden, can you ? It's ATX by the way, a milestone in AT's. It should be grand, awesomesauce, highly entertaining and a big pr boost in some form or fashion. It should (could) be an event to insert some enjoyment and mutuall laughter by ccp and the participants. Not a collection of threadnoughts and tarnished perspective for people out there.
Good job if you catch people setting up schemes to do something "wrong", but please go a bit easy on the punishments. Ease up a little. There are proberbly shennanigans going on you might not even detect in time. AT's past, present and future cant be regulated by just rules.
This discussion wont get a satisfying conclusion from eihter side, everyone just claims and blames, not one from eihter side comes forward and says they were wrong, lets fix this. Instead it's an endless debate about rules, interpretations, accusations and what not. Sorry, but that doesnt look mature from eihter side.
It's not a battle of wits or a game of power here, it's about ATX and making it great.
I plea to both sides to consider some maturity and refrain from slanderous propaganda back and forth. It's not going to get anywhere and only tarnishes what should be a great milestone.
You go your corridor but. |
Typhu5
Isstastor Corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:33:00 -
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Anna Katarr wrote:Kazruw Drol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[quote=Kazruw Drol]Guys relax. It's just springtime for CCP, and they have a tradition of going full Screegs this time of the year. I just wish this years Alliance Tournament wasn't based on Whose line is it anyway.In the future it would be best if all similar decision had to be accepted by the CSM in order to avoid another Screegs/t20 incident. The rules clearly state that 'B' and 'C' can be disqualified, but say nothing about 'A' teams. oh, nice... so... is hydra or outbreak considered the 'a' team? unban them then...? pretty please?
No. Hydra is the B-Team for Outbreak and Outbreak the B-Team for Hydra. That means, both are B-teams and got banned.
:-) |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:33:00 -
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Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. This only feeds the paranoids who will site this as proof of bias and that some were looking for a pretext to exclude Hydra and Outbreak. if you say so As you say, you know what happened last year and it won't be happening this year. You are using their actions last year, cooperation to infer that they meant the same thing this year. The question of bias comes from the weighting of evidence. We know that PL and Waffles cooperate all the darn time. But even though their history of cooperation, same CEO for both organizations, their attempt to enter two teams was not seen as a grave offense. Why? Because they did not throw the final match of ATIX. DekCo, the Alliance of Alliances is also famed for working together. In response to your edit: You need a pretext if you want to claim to be working within the published rules. Another option one could take would be to state that CCP retains the right to determine what makes a good AT and the inclusion of certain Alliances a bad AT, ipso fact, these following alliances will not be included. Problem solved.
I don't need a pretext I already told you this. Insisting that I do doesn't make it so. I don't need to rewrite the rules because we're doing A OK enforcing the ones we have thanks. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:34:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:The response they got didn't ok what they did nor did they say what they were doing in the email making both irrelevant but I already explained this. Now I know why there are canned responses this is getting tiring. Can you please tell me why you didn't respond to them? Also I would like your phone/Skype/MSN messenger details in case it turns out that you refuse to respond to any emails I might send in the future regarding the AT? And by you I mean the entire CCP team in charge of the alliance tournament (not singling you out in particular just because the others have slithered away..). Thanks!
yeah let me get right on that "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:35:00 -
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Typhu5 wrote:Anna Katarr wrote:Kazruw Drol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[quote=Kazruw Drol]Guys relax. It's just springtime for CCP, and they have a tradition of going full Screegs this time of the year. I just wish this years Alliance Tournament wasn't based on Whose line is it anyway.In the future it would be best if all similar decision had to be accepted by the CSM in order to avoid another Screegs/t20 incident. The rules clearly state that 'B' and 'C' can be disqualified, but say nothing about 'A' teams. oh, nice... so... is hydra or outbreak considered the 'a' team? unban them then...? pretty please? No. Hydra is the B-Team for Outbreak and Outbreak the B-Team for Hydra. That means, both are B-teams and got banned. :-)
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28644
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Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
53
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Intigo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. That's a great way to run a tournament. Ban teams this year based on what they did last year when the ruleset was entirely different. The more you reply the more obvious it gets that banning HYDRA & Outbreak is entirely because of a grudge held by CCP. The Alliance Tournament team ignores all emails sent to them and you create a ruleset so vague that you can fit it to your needs as you go. CVA & 4th intended to do the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did because they were practicing in a wormhole too - you still have yet to address that at all. The fact that CVA & 4th felt that this was within the rules (just as we did) is a testimony to how insane it is that you ban HYDRA & Outbreak over doing it. I know it suits your desire to be martyrs to keep pretending there's some grudge but as I said you have yourself, well really your leaders to blame and absolutely nobody else. I'm sorry accepting responsibility for your own actions that we didn't make you do is so difficult but at some point you're going to have to come to grips with you.
And again you completely ignore the point. You have yet to address that CVA & 4th considered doing the very same thing just prior to HYDRA & Outbreak getting banned. How is that NOT proof that your ruleset is insanely vague and a pretty good indication that banning 2 teams outright over it is unjustly harsh? HYDRA & Outbreak were not trying to hide that we practiced together in a single corporation because we thought it was well within the rules just like CVA would have thought.
Why should I blame the HYDRA leaders that asked the Alliance Tournament team for clarification (and were ignored multiple times) and thought they were acting within the rules?
How can you not see that the fact that 2 other teams considered doing the very same thing well within the rules is an indication of how terribly vague that rule is? And that banning 2 teams over it is insane when you have made no attempts to COMMUNICATE, CLARIFY or WARN them prior to it happening.
This could have happened to CVA & 4th (if, of course, you are consistent about rules being applied to all teams) just as well as HYDRA & Outbreak if they had just done it a bit earlier.
Or would the rules have been applied differently because they didn't **** you off during AT IX? |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:36:00 -
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Hroya wrote:If they were cheating then that would be awesome. I mean come on, this is EvE, if you-¦re not cheating you are concidered a carebear. Cheating, changing the deck, misinformation, manipulation, bending rules, that is what we ( most are i presume ) enjoy about this game.
You cant honestly expect that all those dirty bastards go play by the rules all of a sudden, can you ? It's ATX by the way, a milestone in AT's. It should be grand, awesomesauce, highly entertaining and a big pr boost in some form or fashion. It should (could) be an event to insert some enjoyment and mutuall laughter by ccp and the participants. Not a collection of threadnoughts and tarnished perspective for people out there.
Good job if you catch people setting up schemes to do something "wrong", but please go a bit easy on the punishments. Ease up a little. There are proberbly shennanigans going on you might not even detect in time. AT's past, present and future cant be regulated by just rules.
This discussion wont get a satisfying conclusion from eihter side, everyone just claims and blames, not one from eihter side comes forward and says they were wrong, lets fix this. Instead it's an endless debate about rules, interpretations, accusations and what not. Sorry, but that doesnt look mature from eihter side.
It's not a battle of wits or a game of power here, it's about ATX and making it great.
I plea to both sides to consider some maturity and refrain from slanderous propaganda back and forth. It's not going to get anywhere and only tarnishes what should be a great milestone.
Live by the metagame, die by the metagame. You make a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, decision to flaunt the rules with some flimsy response from a GM and what do you really ******* expect. I mean comeon.
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ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:36:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:ScoRpS wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:ScoRpS wrote:Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation? I'm going to worry about that next year. Right now I have this year's tournament to worry about. If that were actually true you wouldn't be here now responding. Can you answer the question again properly please? You got your answer and quoted it. It's the only one you're getting.
We know it's over this year so now the question is what about next year?
or is this game of smoke and mirrors going to continue? |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
81
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:37:00 -
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Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails. |
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Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
54
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:40:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails.
I would love to know this too.
And the fact that he has yet to address anything about CVA considering to do the very same thing we did and thinking it was well within the rules (as we did). |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
18
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience
the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this? Still don't see how they broke a "rule" if you cannot provide any proof of their malicious intent.
They just trained together in one wh, against each other. Because you can't get crap for fights on sisi.
And next time proof read, because you didn't include the "rule", the one and only, in the full rule list of the devblog. It's not in there, it's above there. But you did update all the other rules properly... Done on purpose for an entierly different reason?
Quote:Next week we will be going into more detail about how you can participate in the random draw and how to apply for an auction spot. Today we want to look at tournament rules and what we wanted to achieve with these. While a full listing is available below for your perusal, and will be updated on the new Alliance Tournament page next week, we would like to take a moment and highlight some of the important changes:
We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the qualifying rounds from five to six. We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the final two weekends from 10 to 12. Match times have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost. Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.
Match Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:40:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails.
Translation: Just give me a victory. Give me some satisfaction. Anything. I need to be right about something! I need to blame someone for something! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:41:00 -
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Intigo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Intigo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. That's a great way to run a tournament. Ban teams this year based on what they did last year when the ruleset was entirely different. The more you reply the more obvious it gets that banning HYDRA & Outbreak is entirely because of a grudge held by CCP. The Alliance Tournament team ignores all emails sent to them and you create a ruleset so vague that you can fit it to your needs as you go. CVA & 4th intended to do the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did because they were practicing in a wormhole too - you still have yet to address that at all. The fact that CVA & 4th felt that this was within the rules (just as we did) is a testimony to how insane it is that you ban HYDRA & Outbreak over doing it. I know it suits your desire to be martyrs to keep pretending there's some grudge but as I said you have yourself, well really your leaders to blame and absolutely nobody else. I'm sorry accepting responsibility for your own actions that we didn't make you do is so difficult but at some point you're going to have to come to grips with you. And again you completely ignore the point. You have yet to address that CVA & 4th considered doing the very same thing just prior to HYDRA & Outbreak getting banned. How is that NOT proof that your ruleset is insanely vague and a pretty good indication that banning 2 teams outright over it is unjustly harsh? HYDRA & Outbreak were not trying to hide that we practiced together in a single corporation because we thought it was well within the rules just like CVA would have thought. Why should I blame the HYDRA leaders that asked the Alliance Tournament team for clarification (and were ignored multiple times) and thought they were acting within the rules? How can you not see that the fact that 2 other teams considered doing the very same thing well within the rules is an indication of how terribly vague that rule is? And that banning 2 teams over it is insane when you have made no attempts to COMMUNICATE, CLARIFY or WARN them prior to it happening. This could have happened to CVA & 4th (if, of course, you are consistent about rules being applied to all teams) just as well as HYDRA & Outbreak if they had just done it a bit earlier. Or would the rules have been applied differently because they didn't annoy you during AT IX? After all, it appears earlier that HYDRA & Outbreak were banned entirely because of what happened in AT IX.
I know you want to pretend there's no point because it's convenient. Frankly I'm not going to waste any more time trying to explain things to you. If you or your alliance continue to spam this subforum you will lose your posting privileges and that should be about that. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Typhu5
Isstastor Corp.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:41:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28644
I tried a bit sarcasm... and it did not worked... OK
Yes i saw the rule and i interpreted it as, one of this two can still join the ATX, because only the B and C Team got banned. But now i am only tired reading this thread. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:41:00 -
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Intigo wrote:Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails. I would love to know this too. And the fact that he has yet to address anything about CVA considering to do the very same thing we did and thinking it was well within the rules (as we did).
CVA should be banned! They did what we did! We were banned! THIS IS SO TERRIBLY UNFAIR.
WHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:41:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:ScoRpS wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:ScoRpS wrote:Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation? I'm going to worry about that next year. Right now I have this year's tournament to worry about. If that were actually true you wouldn't be here now responding. Can you answer the question again properly please? You got your answer and quoted it. It's the only one you're getting. We know it's over this year so now the question is what about next year? or is this game of smoke and mirrors going to continue? Stomping your feet and demanding an answer isn't going to get you one. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:43:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience
the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this? Still don't see how they broke a "rule" if you cannot provide any proof of their malicious intent. They just trained together in one wh, against each other. Because you can't get crap for fights on sisi. And next time proof read, because you didn't include the "rule", the one and only, in the full rule list of the devblog. It's not in there, it's above there. But you did update all the other rules properly... Done on purpose for an entierly different reason? Quote:Next week we will be going into more detail about how you can participate in the random draw and how to apply for an auction spot. Today we want to look at tournament rules and what we wanted to achieve with these. While a full listing is available below for your perusal, and will be updated on the new Alliance Tournament page next week, we would like to take a moment and highlight some of the important changes:
We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the qualifying rounds from five to six. We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the final two weekends from 10 to 12. Match times have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost. Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.
Match Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances.
I get it. You're not going to get it. Enough. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:43:00 -
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Typhu5 wrote: But now i am only tired reading this thread.
Amen brother. This troll is moving on. |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote: What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances. They just spar together for the sake of convenience
the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this? Still don't see how they broke a "rule" if you cannot provide any proof of their malicious intent. They just trained together in one wh, against each other. Because you can't get crap for fights on sisi. And next time proof read, because you didn't include the "rule", the one and only, in the full rule list of the devblog. It's not in there, it's above there. But you did update all the other rules properly... Done on purpose for an entierly different reason? Quote:Next week we will be going into more detail about how you can participate in the random draw and how to apply for an auction spot. Today we want to look at tournament rules and what we wanted to achieve with these. While a full listing is available below for your perusal, and will be updated on the new Alliance Tournament page next week, we would like to take a moment and highlight some of the important changes:
We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the qualifying rounds from five to six. We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the final two weekends from 10 to 12. Match times have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost. Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.
Match Rules
Tournament Rules
This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter. There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances. I get it. You're not going to get it. Enough.
No you don't. You made a stupid mistake and didn't include in the list. Ergo not a valid rule. |
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