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Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:26:00 -
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Mercurial Blood wrote:HELP I'M DYING TO THE CHEETAH
I think it's funny that the criticism of hydra is coming squarely from people who don't understand how wormholes work |
Hoarr
RPS holdings Clockwork Pineapple
3
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:32:00 -
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Leeloo Malaquin wrote:
- Reason we joined the same corp in the TEST server was because of wormhole logistics. No one considered that a logistic technicality in the TEST server would suddenly be bannable when training together was not. And I don't understand Raivis comments when he says we made a mistake doing it, as we had been very open with CCP and told them we would practice together unless being told that we can't.
First, let me start by saying I respect what you guys do. You are serious no bullshit PVPers who crush the vast majority of people who wander across your path. The help that you've(Genos) offered to the community interested in PVP is commendable despite what happened at the end of EIE.
All that aside, let's not beat around the bush here. The no B team rule may has well have read, "Hydra and 0utbreak can't s*** up ATX again by rigging the final." Why in the name of unholy F*** you guys decided to not only practice with each other in the test server, but potentially be seen as actively thumbing your nose at CCP by joining the same corp to do it absolutely boggles my mind. How did it never cross your minds to actively stay away from each other in build up to ATX?? I understand that you're pals and you respect each other, blah blah blah. You MUST have realized the rule was made SPECIFICALLY targeting your two alliances. IMHO, sniggardly just got caught in the crossfire, and had they not been announcing the news of your ban, snig may not have caught one at all. And, let's be honest, PL was never going to get hit with a ban here (it also helps when your ceo is chairman of CSM).
GMs have been hilariously wrong in the past and CCP devs DO. NOT. ABIDE. BY. GM. RULINGS. EVER (see AHARM v RnK). I just do not understand the thought process to make you guys think that you would be totally golden not even TRYING to maintain a semblance of separate alliances in the build up to the tournament. I understand that it sucks. The tournament will not be the same without both alliances. It will lose some of it's luster. I hope that you guys come back to ATXI with a vengance. But you have to realize that this is completely on your head. CCP said here's the line. Not only did you guys say, "cool, we'll stay WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY the f*** away from the line", you started playing f'ing jump-rope with it. |
LooknSee
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:32:00 -
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Viribus wrote:I think it's funny that the criticism of hydra is coming squarely from people who don't understand how wormholes work
I think it's funny outbreak/hydra took a giant dump on CCP and the community at large last year, had some good laughs about it, intended to do it again this year, and then CCP stepped in and said: "ACCESS IS DENIED... BIATCH". And now it's hydra/outbreak that's mad.
Maybe that's just me though.
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Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:35:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:i dont get it is this not EVE? so what two corps got in the finals metagamed and fixed the match? is this not what eve is about? you make ships that cost half a billion isk that can be killed by a destroyer...
oh i get it ... you can get ****** over in eve just as long as you dont make ccp look stupid in the process...
this gentleman has a point. |
Qlfon
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:51:00 -
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CCP you want make qualitatively best tournament but, you will look stupid as company, and gaming magazines will tell the story, after this what you doing this year, many ppl will make sure no1 will forget it next year, and year after, and year after, and so on. If you CCP want make serious ingame tournament, use only EULA rules, like no account sharing, no exploiting, why dont you care about other teams, with big alliances as their backup, there is several alliances cooperating, and FOR SURE they will share rewards. You are upset about last year final? Get used to, this year some1 else will trick you badly, and this is what i wish to CCP AT X Team. |
Kyros Xero
Xuronautics
13
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:57:00 -
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It's very unfortunate that official CCP response to Hydra's emails was not more comprehensive and timely. That part sucks.
However, I had to respond to this:
Quote:"Any training done in a wormhole requires everyone to be in the same corporation for using the hangers." - Duncan Tanner From the standpoint of a tiny wormhole corp, I can say the logistics to running two POSes aren't that bad.
Having both teams in the same POS and same corp was a ridiculously bad judgement call. I don't see how that could not have been seen. With a single corp the lines are very blurred, in spirit and in mechanics. Maybe you didn't set out with the intent to collude again, but it makes it very difficult to plausibly keep things seperate.
Both teams intrinsically sharing the same corp hangars, the same corp chat, the same saved corp fittings? Based on your concern over logistics I would imagine you drew from the same pool of ship hulls and spare parts, possibly even swapping fitted practice ships?
I don't know how many of those things you took advantage of in a shared capacity, or which other teams also do that (also a bad idea) but it seems to me that to be in that situation shoulder-to-shoulder for weeks and not share tons of information and plans and intel, even if inadvertently... not to be overly harsh, but isn't that kind of like holding your AA meetings at a bar?
I would still like to see your A team allowed in because personally I believe you didn't set out to collude this time, but you guys certainly didn't do yourselves any favors on this one. You put CCP in a very difficult position.
(P.S. Loved the "Daily roam" concept, hope you don't quit. ) POS Layered Defenses: "Panic" mode and defense-automation arrays |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
91
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:00:00 -
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Kyros Xero wrote:
Both teams intrinsically sharing the same corp hangars, the same corp chat, the same saved corp fittings? Based on your concern over logistics I would imagine you drew from the same pool of ship hulls and spare parts, possibly even swapping fitted practice ships?
Who actually uses corp chat and corp fittings?
You can see in any genos video that instead of corp chat, they have a channel for genos members + alts, just like nearly every other corp in the game. |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:17:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. After the pleas for advice, it's pretty disgusting you say that. No, seriously.
In contrast it's pretty awesome how angry you are with this post. Sound off like you got a pair Pilot. |
Mercurial Blood
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
16
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:27:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Kyros Xero wrote:
Both teams intrinsically sharing the same corp hangars, the same corp chat, the same saved corp fittings? Based on your concern over logistics I would imagine you drew from the same pool of ship hulls and spare parts, possibly even swapping fitted practice ships?
Who actually uses corp chat and corp fittings? You can see in any genos video that instead of corp chat, they have a channel for genos members + alts, just like nearly every other corp in the game.
Hahahah I don't think we had ANY corp fittings used in the tourney practices. Everything was done in a separate chat channel; not everyone in Genos on SISI was participating in the tourney. One thing we DID use though was corp bookmarks, that was INCREDIBLY helpful.
In any case, the way things usually worked is that players would pull ships from the shared hanger and fit them with mods from a shared hanger in accordance with fits given to them by their team captains. Contrary to what people think, the teams were separate for the most part in practice, IE: Hydra had a dedicated logistics pilot, Outbreak had a dedicated logistics pilot. They always flew with their respective teams and team captains and so on. I can't say we were 100% perfect in having separate teams for practice, but we knew we had to keep it as separate as possible because once it hit the tourney proper, the gloves were coming off and each team needed to be fully practiced and competent in all areas.
We could have kept the corps separate, but it didn't make any sense to do so logistically. Given the feedback we had received with the GM petition, we thought we were good to go because, honestly, the way we do things on SISI should have no reflection or impact on anything to do with TQ. On TQ we are entirely separate entities, but when it comes to the alliance tournament, we practice with each other to improve our numbers and variety of setups we can test. |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:28:00 -
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You called CCP on their bluff.
Too bad CCP wasn't bluffing. |
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Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
55
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:31:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there.
You know what is also solid advice? Develop customer support, because as it stands, CCP has none. I can not think of any other video game company that would repeatedly not respond to emails about a certain issue, feign ignorance about any emails and then condemn a Senior GM for actually responding (Supposedly incorrectly) to yet another email on the same issue.
It is a wonder of the modern world how such a business model has left with you any players at all. My Latest Video: Freestyle II |
SwindonBadger
0utbreak Outbreak.
5
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:33:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there.
Other then faffy ( who seems to be on a whole new level of seriouse/ rage )
I dont think you could look at any hydra/ 0utbreak player in the eyes with all the testing/ work we did do, have done this year, and say we dont take it seriously?
seriously,
We ask you can we test together as long as we play fair in the tourney.. you say yes (Senior GM) . we took it so seriously we asked multiple times... had you said no .. then we would not have.
As far as I can see sreegs/soundwave have a very personal grudge against us, (and of course faffy)
eg : " I'm sorry you disagree but we're also not going to bend on this issue. If you have to blame someone I'd recommend the people in the finals last year."
I was one of the people asking well before this happened if the congor lines/ cash for win fights could be delt with, you never said anything other then this is eve, so to go for a win you have to out play this tactic (eg wild boars co2) or at least be ready to deel with it.
If not last year than soon a final/ semi would have gone the same way, 0utbreak/ hydra are not big we do need something to test on.
We dont have the player bace of darkside and nothing like the hords goonies ect can choose from, what we do have though is allot of years playing this game fighting tooth and nail where most would not even think you could kill something., instead of embracing this side of eve, most of this kind of corperation has been killed off from many little things that help the big allaince,
So tonight you are also driving a pointy stick though the heart of two entities that have given more then most on inspiring others to go get the very best the game has to offer ( bar fubar final ).
If anyone is any reel doubt its very easy to see just how seperate hydra/0utbreak are by going through our kb, we met over a mutial love of fighting the hard fight.
there are not many such corpse left, and eve is a weeker game withought them. had either one of us failed to PL, Darkside it would be someone else another year you would put the blame on rather then manning up and stopping the many thrown matches long ago.
So conratulations on another tournament event, I hope as I have always hoped for fun exciting fights
Everyone I know in 0B was very prepared to fight hydra and maybe even pod them :) but you did a very good job at getting your way with the Senior GM trick, I salute you for such deviouseness, its quite easy to see with the spittle coming from sreegs just how badly you wanted to ban us.
It is far better to go out like this then to be beaten by faffy/ shadoo
love and kisses to all picked, and soon to be auctioned in,
sorry to pyro / zara for posting but I too feel this may be the last thing I have left to say/play. I would have loved to taken part this year as its the last thing on my to do list in eve ( other than leaving corp so I can kill 0utbreak memebrs and pod them).
over and out, and rounderbout
Swin the paw , ( thanks for all the happy memories to all we have fought ) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:38:00 -
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i was just thinking of something
were b-teams removed before being put in the hat ? if not, wouldn't b-teams still give you an edge getting into the tournament, even if one got bounced later? you could just make sure your ten guys had alts in both corps. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:39:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well? everyone knows we are all drooling over the chance to shoot TEST legitimately without vile rat getting all mad and ain't nothing going to stop us |
Endeavour Starfleet
829
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:40:00 -
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Perhaps with the controversy surrounding this event it is best to go ahead and suspend further official tournaments until a full set of rules taking into account most potential loopholes are in place. |
Okinata
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:41:00 -
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I think good matches can be about more than just the pew pew. CCP seems to think it's only on the field. I guess the metagaming that led to Burn Jita (promised for getting 10k votes, the CSM banning, people feeling their votes were thrown away, etc) is fully supported by CCP but the metagaming that led to the end of AT IX is verboten.
Hypocritical, IMO.
Personally I thought AT IX stood for everything Eve is about. Enemies of enemies are friends, everyone has a price, meta gaming > all, trust no one, etc. But, I guess our emergent gameplay sandbox needs random rules applied to it for the sake of the tears over a dull (combat wise) final last year. |
Tinkeng
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:52:00 -
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Leeloo Malaquin[b wrote:Here are the facts:
- HYDRA and OB are not a single entity. They are 2 different entities on TQ with their own history. CCP knows this very well. We worked together closely in AT9 but with the new rules we were only planning to test together (unless told we can't do it) before the tournament begins.
- Reason we joined the same corp in the TEST server was because of wormhole logistics. No one considered that a logistic technicality in the TEST server would suddenly be bannable when training together was not. And I don't understand Raivis comments when he says we made a mistake doing it, as we had been very open with CCP and told them we would practice together unless being told that we can't.
Ok so after reading how mad all you guys are I do believe it might be time for a small reality check.
Here are the facts:
- Last year you guys pretty much ruined the final for anyone who had any interest in the AT. From the people behind the screens at CCP to any player watching for their enjoyment. But what happened was totally legal according to rules for that tournament and because you guys played it out so well, most of the other big contenders tipped their hats to you guys cause you out staged the rest.
- This year CCP announces a new rule specifically aimed at avoiding what you guys did last year in the final. And I've seen countless posts (the mails and petions also confirm this) stating that you guys knew very well that you couldn't repeat last yearGÇÖs final.
This was your reaction (in my opinion):
- Hmmmm I guess we shouldn't stage another game like we did last year. But since both the alliances aren't big enough to come up with the 24 right players for testing we will test against each other. Not a bad idea to be honest but with the new anti colluding rule there was a realization that you might have to be careful with how to do this (the mails and petions confirm this). Now instead of taking it careful (a.k.a. let's not do it until we have confirmation that we are allowed to) you guys took the approach of: "Hey let's do it anyway cause no one told us we couldn't eventho there is a vague rule that is aimed at something we did last year". Not the best of ideas imho. On top of taking (in my opinion) the wrong approach to something that is vague you guys then went and did something sketchy that you didn't tell CCP about in your mails (the joining of both alliances in 1 corp). And for what? So you didn't have to setup another POS? The same amount of ships and modules had to be brought in through the same WH that you could probe out together. The only difference is that there would have to be 2 POSes setup and that if you only bring in 1 ship with hulls, you will have to eject from that ship so that someone from the other alliance can hop in it and unload it in their POS.
Now for all the readers out there that think I'm only of this opinion cause I'm in PL and we didn't get banned (a.k.a. mad pubbies). I would like to refer to what I wrote above this part and see the logic in it. But once more I'll attempt to explain the difference between the communication between PL+Waffles and CCP and Hydra+0utbreak and CCP. All the information disclosed to CCP from the PL side was backed up by the actions of both teams. We never overstepped or did anything more than the things we specified in the mails. Reading the communication between Hydra+0utbreak and CCP everyone can see that they did more than disclosed in these mails (once again the merging into 1 corp) and therefore created reasonable doubt that once again they might be up to something.
Now to finish this wall of text my opinion is that you only have yourself to blame since you took the wrong approach to an unclear and potentially disastrous situation. And the fact that you now feel the urge to quit playing only illustrates the fact that if something is that important to you, you should think twice before deciding on a dangerous approach.
Sorry for the wall of text death.... |
Kratisto
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:55:00 -
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CCP and everyone in general was upset with the **** the 2 teams pulled for AT IX finale; it was boring, weak, and uninspiring. It was allowed to stand because, indeed as Raivi has said, there was no rule against gaming the system and pissing in everyone's drink.
CCP then said they will not tolerate "the same kind of ****", to paraphrase, as in the last tournament final. You guys tried to push the envelope. You claim transparency, linking mails detailing you would like to practice together. You leave out that you would also like to theorycraft together, hang out on the same comms together, swap players between teams while practicing, and who knows what else.... and feel surprised you are thought of as the same entity?
It sucks when you work hard for something like this and get it taken away. This is the punishment decreed by CCP for ruining their final last year and attempting to the same again this year. I support them 100%. I am not affiliated with any team whatsoever, but as a viewer I can tell you full well the feeling of disappointment you feel now is quite related, if indeed far lower in magnitude, to what you feel now.
Congratulations |
Andrew Curtin
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:00:00 -
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it sucks for hydra and outbreak to get bumped out. it's a lot of work to do what they did. what happened in the finals last year was a disappointment, and it's natural for CCP to make steps ensure that it doesn't happen again. i wouldn't be surprised though if hydra and outbreak approached CCP with a way to sort this out in an acceptable way. both teams would have to immediately differentiate. blah blah. no shenanigans.
also, both hydra and outbreak should differentiate just for the challenge. tourney or no tourney,everyone knows that these groups as the elite of the elite pvpers. prove to us, CCP, yourselves, that you guys are the best. i don't see how you guys could show that by repeating what you guys did last year.... |
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Exanthesis Attero Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:24:00 -
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I love how this is all technically CCP's fault by giving them permission to train in such a manner, yet HYDRA and friends are the ones bearing the punishment.
Maybe everyone should just boycott AT X since everyone trained for it and that is now a dis-qualifier. |
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Nethras
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:28:00 -
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That is... a lot of emails that you seem to be getting no reply on. Perhaps you should double check where you're sending them and that it is in fact an email address CCP actually reads. That said, I personally would not be comfortable basing how I handled such things based on a petition response as I'd have no real guarantee that even a senior GM had actually talked to the people running the tournament. Asking your questions on the forums about where CCP was drawing the line, and then bugging them through email, twitter, the CSM, and any other avenues you could think of until you got a response would have more or less guaranteed it was actually from the people organizing the tournament and left CCP with less room to potentially exclude you if you were in fact doing things differently this time around. I'm not quite sure why they're excluding both of your teams under that rule, though I could see them claiming difficulty declaring one of you the primary team.
MeBiatch wrote:i dont get it is this not EVE? so what two corps got in the finals metagamed and fixed the match? is this not what eve is about?
Metagaming between 2 teams seriously trying to win would usually only result in knowing their setup or on very rare occasions a spy openly betraying a team in the tournament arena. Throwing a game by picking a deliberately bad setup (or a setup that can be effectively hard countered and then telling the other team what you're bringing) isn't exactly very interesting to watch, but is hard to actually detect if not too blatant. Going out into the tournament arena and refusing to compete goes above and beyond metagaming, though I don't believe it's been specifically banned in the past (and perhaps not now). A team immediately turning and flying out of the arena as a group would clearly raise the question for CCP whether they wanted to have that team participate in future tournaments, and about the only difference between that and the AT9 final is that the AT9 final was 12 minutes long and far more boring. EVE metagaming is not usually about meaningless actions (they were clearly colluding enough to have agreed to split the prizes however they wanted regardless of outcome, so no real need to fix the match itself), and metagaming at CCP's expense usually doesn't turn out well.
All that said, none of this makes how CCP handled this any clearer with regards to where exactly the lines they don't want crossed are, though if it was partially based on something like CCP believing due to server-side evidence that there were people that had characters on both teams I'm not sure how free they'd be to express that. On the other hand, if this decision was at all based on the events of AT9 as opposed to the rule being in response to that and this being an independent enforcement of the rules, I'd be much more comfortable if CCP would come out and state that. |
Suitonia
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:38:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:Kadesh Priestess wrote: We just told OB members into which ships they should get and how to fly if we wanted to test one setup vs another.
Amazingly, that is exactly what we do with most of our pilots in DarkSide
Maybe if you actually applied yourself and tried a bit harder |
Stewwhich
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
4
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:56:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there.
You know what would be sound advice? Trying to bring some consistency to CCP. For example, CCP pretty much said that they worked with excutors of RvB in order to facilitate the Alliance Tournament entry for them. Why did you not provide the same courtesy to Hydra and Outbreak? Did you even send correspondence to them asking them to stop combined training?
Considering that you already set precedence with RvB and that one of your own employees answered Hydra's petition regarding unified training you should rescind the ban and work out the issue with executors of Hydra / Outbreak. Otherwise you look like petulant children stomping their feet and saying "But I don't wanna have them in ATX, they gave me a booboo last year". |
Lazarus Telraven
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:59:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well?
Test/GSF shoot each other. We dont share tactics/Ship fits/setups
TEST has done all of their own leg work and so has the GSF team... now if we can just make it into the tournament is the real challenge.
maybe Shamis will loan us some isk to buy a tourney slot |
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Exanthesis Attero Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:20:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:DurrHurrDurr wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well? Test/GSF shoot each other. We dont share tactics/Ship fits/setups TEST has done all of their own leg work and so has the GSF team... now if we can just make it into the tournament is the real challenge. maybe Shamis will loan us some isk to buy a tourney slot Or you can just use automated aggressive ratters like AAA. |
Tear Miner
Republic University Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:22:00 -
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I think CCP was right to do this.
There's always next year kid.
And if you had that much of an adverse physical reaction to not being in the AT, you should rethink your priorities. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
433
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:25:00 -
[57] - Quote
Lazarus Telraven wrote:*snip* DurrHurrDurr wrote:The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well? Test/GSF shoot each other. We dont share tactics/Ship fits/setups TEST has done all of their own leg work and so has the GSF team... now if we can just make it into the tournament is the real challenge. maybe Shamis will loan us some isk to buy a tourney slot
We shot ourselves for practice, and we used our own comms and entirely separate forums for theorycrafting during the process. The only involvement anyone in PL had was to say "We'll pay your entry fee if you can't cover it", and also one (literally one) recent graduate to Sniggerdly popped back in to help us make up the numbers once or twice when the turnout for training was low.
I can entirely understand the need to avoid potential match-throwing situations, but I can assure you, we would have relished the opportunity to beat the PL team, perhaps even more so than any other. As DHD rightly points out, CFC-bloc members will be helping each other out in training, and I'd be astonished if the inter-corp membership turnover wasn't relatively high amongst those alliances. But when it comes to the real thing, they *are* going to want to beat each other, no question about it. |
Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian
46
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:16:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote: In fact you could get all of hydra and outbreak onto a Tennis Court and put all of hydra on one side of the net and all of outbreak on the other side of the net and notice that it's two groups of different people and still not get the point at all.
I think we would get it after Outbreak sat down on the court and half-heartedly swing at the balls. |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
16
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:18:00 -
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Nethras wrote:That is... a lot of emails that you seem to be getting no reply on. Perhaps you should double check where you're sending them and that it is in fact an email address CCP actually reads.
It was the official email used by the team as confirmed by Loxy.
All emails sent to the address from us were completely ignored and the only response we got from an official CCP entity was the response from the Senior GM. |
Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian
46
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:22:00 -
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Shiroi Okami wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. You know what is also solid advice? Develop customer support, because as it stands, CCP has none. I can not think of any other video game company that would repeatedly not respond to emails about a certain issue, feign ignorance about any emails and then condemn a Senior GM for actually responding (Supposedly incorrectly) to yet another email on the same issue. It is a wonder of the modern world how such a business model has left with you any players at all.
The fact of the matter was you weren't getting into AT10 no matter what you did. If the actual players from Hydra/OB joined other alliances they wouldn't get in. If Hydra/OB completely rebranded themselves as new alliances they wouldn't get in. If Hydra/OB COMBINED themselves into a single alliance just to legitimately apply to AT10 they probably still wouldn't get in. After what you did last year I don't think many people really want to watch you fight. Sure you guys are really good (you won after all), but it's not worth it. Someone almost as good will take your place and it will have a better chance of being legitimately entertaining. |
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