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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:26:00 -
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Intigo wrote:Nethras wrote:That is... a lot of emails that you seem to be getting no reply on. Perhaps you should double check where you're sending them and that it is in fact an email address CCP actually reads. It was the official email used by the team as confirmed by Loxy. All emails sent to the address from us were completely ignored and the only response we got from an official CCP entity was the response from the Senior GM.
Its almost as if the AT team wanted you to get banned |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
16
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:57:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Intigo wrote:Nethras wrote:That is... a lot of emails that you seem to be getting no reply on. Perhaps you should double check where you're sending them and that it is in fact an email address CCP actually reads. It was the official email used by the team as confirmed by Loxy. All emails sent to the address from us were completely ignored and the only response we got from an official CCP entity was the response from the Senior GM. Its almost as if the AT team wanted you to get banned
That much is obvious. I guess our leadership made the mistake of thinking they could cooperate with CCP when it came to things like this. |
ZONK DONKEY
Incestuous Cult of Paranoid Swamp People
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:15:00 -
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I think this whole thing is stupid
If it were true to EVE, they should let it play out as it is like all other events.
To be fair, I think they should let either Hydra or Outbreak in the AT, they put in 8 hours a day, 5 days a week into practising (Which by the way, you guys REALLY need to find something else to do than just this. This is obsession beyond measure), while communication between CCP and them have been vague at best.
Yes they sort of ruined last year's finals, but they did it legitimately. Let it play as it would say.
But after this year, do not have another official EVE alliance tournament. Yes, it's quite fun to watch and prizes are good, but with it's artificialities goes against what EVE is as a sandbox game.
If you're going to have an alliance tournament in the future, put it in the hands of the players, maybe even the CSM or something, or elect another council to organise it rather than Devs etc.
Player sanctioned prizes and all.
Finish this one by handing out the Caldari ships and be done with. |
Stewwhich
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
5
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:26:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:Shiroi Okami wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. You know what is also solid advice? Develop customer support, because as it stands, CCP has none. I can not think of any other video game company that would repeatedly not respond to emails about a certain issue, feign ignorance about any emails and then condemn a Senior GM for actually responding (Supposedly incorrectly) to yet another email on the same issue. It is a wonder of the modern world how such a business model has left with you any players at all. The fact of the matter was you weren't getting into AT10 no matter what you did. If the actual players from Hydra/OB joined other alliances they wouldn't get in. If Hydra/OB completely rebranded themselves as new alliances they wouldn't get in. If Hydra/OB COMBINED themselves into a single alliance just to legitimately apply to AT10 they probably still wouldn't get in. After what you did last year I don't think many people really want to watch you fight. Sure you guys are really good (you won after all), but it's not worth it. Someone almost as good will take your place and it will have a better chance of being legitimately entertaining.
I dont think you know what you are talking about. And there are a lot of people who not only want to watch them fight but actually paid to watch them fight (hint: Eve is easy). |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
48
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:42:00 -
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Stewwhich wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. You know what would be sound advice? Trying to bring some consistency to CCP. For example, CCP pretty much said that they worked with excutors of RvB in order to facilitate the Alliance Tournament entry for them. Why did you not provide the same courtesy to Hydra and Outbreak? Did you even send correspondence to them asking them to stop combined training? Considering that you already set precedence with RvB and that one of your own employees answered Hydra's petition regarding unified training you should rescind the ban and work out the issue with executors of Hydra / Outbreak. Otherwise you look like petulant children stomping their feet and saying "But I don't wanna have them in ATX, they gave me a booboo last year".
This really. Just when CCP seemed able to avoid massive PR clusterfucks for a while...
DurrHurrDurr wrote:
The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well?
Oh yeah, and lol double standards. So blatant. |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
18
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:02:00 -
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Stewwhich wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. You know what would be sound advice? Trying to bring some consistency to CCP. For example, CCP pretty much said that they worked with excutors of RvB in order to facilitate the Alliance Tournament entry for them. Why did you not provide the same courtesy to Hydra and Outbreak? Did you even send correspondence to them asking them to stop combined training? Considering that you already set precedence with RvB and that one of your own employees answered Hydra's petition regarding unified training you should rescind the ban and work out the issue with executors of Hydra / Outbreak. Otherwise you look like petulant children stomping their feet and saying "But I don't wanna have them in ATX, they gave me a booboo last year".
This is a good post. I'm still amazed that every single email sent to the tournament team was completely ignored and the only official response we got (a Senior GM out of touch with the tournament team) was deemed invalid. |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
207
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:11:00 -
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Intigo wrote:This is a good post. I'm still amazed that every single email sent to the tournament team was completely ignored and the only official response we got (a Senior GM out of touch with the tournament team) was deemed invalid. Let me quote myself, post from the other thread:
Kadesh Priestess wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence. I asked CCP Spitfire if particularly that GM is allowed to reply such questions. He assured that GMs won't reply questions concerning AT without asking proper people & said that this GM is really competent guy and his words might be relied on. I really doubt Senior GM with such credit would post random answer about things he has no clue about. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
504
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:43:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
125
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:50:00 -
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I will state that locking the previous topic to prevent discussion is bad form. The statement should have been locked right off, allowing for a separate comment thread, or not locked at all.
As far as I'm concerned, this is a sandbox game where metagaming is not only exists, but is a common part of the gameplay. As has seen in many previous tournaments, metagaming HAS been a part of the alliance tournament, with thrown matches, attempts at bribery, spying, betrayals and so on. What was different in AT9 was that two teams working together managed to make it to the finals.
I can understand CCP's desire to make the ATX finals exciting for all, but their behavior in this matter is less than desirable.
To state that Hydra and Outbreak are the same entity betrays their ignorance of the poltical spectrum in EVE. It is plainly obvious that the entities are completely separate, although they do work very closely together. The rule should have been stated more clearly, and Hydra's emails and petitions should have been answered promptly. The failure of the alliance tournament team to do so is not a point in their favor.
For what it's worth, I believe that with proper communication, the ATX team could have prevented this scenario from occurring in the first place. It feels to me that they intentionally let this slide until they could bring the hammer down. If true, this reeks of politics and poor form.
I would love to see a reconsideration and a response from the ATX team, because as far as I'm concerned right now, this has now turned into a case of bad PR. |
Suitonia
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:58:00 -
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Hey man it's nearly June 21st and CCP needed to fulfill their controversy and negative PR quota |
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Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
18
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:11:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:Intigo wrote:This is a good post. I'm still amazed that every single email sent to the tournament team was completely ignored and the only official response we got (a Senior GM out of touch with the tournament team) was deemed invalid. Let me quote myself, post from the other thread: Kadesh Priestess wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence. I asked CCP Spitfire if particularly that GM is allowed to reply such questions. He assured that GMs won't reply questions concerning AT without asking proper people & said that this GM is really competent guy and his words might be relied on. I really doubt Senior GM with such credit would post random answer about things he has no clue about.
Oh, I didn't see that.
So that's another CCP member telling us that the Senior GM can be trusted and that his word is given either from knowing what he's talking about or from asking the people responsible for the tournament itself what should be done in this case.
Yet the tournament team dismisses what he said entirely when it is the only response given from CCP to us on the entire matter when our emails were ignored?
It's a bit sad that CCP would ignore all communication and ban us from the tournament 30 minutes before the auctions open. |
Rear Infiltration
Tyrans d'Or
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:22:00 -
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Maybe if you didn't make a joke of the finals in the previous year, this wouldn't be happening? |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
19
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:29:00 -
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Rear Infiltration wrote:Maybe if you didn't make a joke of the finals in the previous year, this wouldn't be happening?
Have you read Duncans post from last year? Last years final was a massive mistake and was not intended to go down that way. Everyone involved with that sincerely regrets how it went down and would love for nothing else than to have shown a true, fun brawl for everyone involved (that means, the viewers) to enjoy to the fullest. Mistakes were made and many apologies were made on the forums last year.
Do the rules apply differently to us because of what happened last year? Is it fair to punish 2 teams for a genuine mistake (that was in every way unintentional) that happened a year prior by ignoring any attempt at communication (emails) and invalidating the statements from 2 CCP members (the Senior GM in question and CCP Spitfire).
I don't think you could find anyone more apologetic about how the finals went down last year than Duncan. We love to watch, follow and compete in the tournament as much as everyone else. We are fans like everyone else and it should be obvious how bad Duncan felt about the way the tournament ended. |
Spyker Slater
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:39:00 -
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Let me start by saying I was very mad after the final last year. But I think maybe a compromise CCP could do is to let them compete as one alliance as is the case with RvB? |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
207
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:53:00 -
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How cute Outbreak/Hydra whine about their lost man hours but they didn't give a damn about shi*tting all over AT9 and the work CCP volunteers did.
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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
103
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:04:00 -
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Lots of Hydra tears in here, if only you were all in the CSM, coulda have bent the rules to suit like everyone else does. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
258
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:30:00 -
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The fact is that both HYDRA and outbreak were the best teams of AT9.
They tried to communicate with CCP through official channels but got no response.
The teams where not yet sellected but CCP banned them from the tournament.
Normally I don't bash CCP much because I actually like the company, but in this case they were not reallyl fair. If you make rules, make them clear! And also apply them to everybody (GOON + TEST for example) the same way. Fix FW ! |
Dubez
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
41
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:32:00 -
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Quote:This is a good post. I'm still amazed that every single email sent to the tournament team was completely ignored and the only official response we got (a Senior GM out of touch with the tournament team) was deemed invalid.
Yeah, because you know, everyone who works at CCP is entitled to make decisions for a group completely unrelated to them. Oh yeah, and they are robots and never make mistakes ever. You say you sent countless mails. Lets see them. Own up or shut up imo.
I find it difficult to take anything seriously from a group of people senseless enough to slither around what is considered good form. You ****** up, own up. You humiliated not only CCP but the entire EVE community by pulling that bull **** at Fanfest. Why can't you play fair like everyone else? Sure Goonswarm and TEST team up, but they aren't sharing their ****. At least the have some dignity in that respect. You guys on the other hand; no, not worth my time, CCPs time, or the player bases' time. Goodbye and good riddance. |
Freeze3371
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:37:00 -
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Kepp making excuses noob. |
Officer Nyota Uhura
240
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:46:00 -
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Intigo wrote:Do the rules apply differently to us because of what happened last year? Is it fair to punish 2 teams for a genuine mistake ... ? I love Eve is easy. I've paid for watching those great videos. I loved the way you fought and I think you were the best of AT9. But I still think that YES - rules do apply differently because of the **** you fed me last year, and YES - it's fair to punish the two teams for that. I was genuinely excited for the whole AT9 and rearranged my work to see the finals, just to see that crap you guys gave us. IMO, while I'm a fan of yours, you get what you deserve. |
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Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian
48
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:47:00 -
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ZONK DONKEY wrote:I think this whole thing is stupid
If it were true to EVE, they should let it play out as it is like all other events.
To be fair, I think they should let either Hydra or Outbreak in the AT, they put in 8 hours a day, 5 days a week into practising (Which by the way, you guys REALLY need to find something else to do than just this. This is obsession beyond measure), while communication between CCP and them have been vague at best.
Yes they sort of ruined last year's finals, but they did it legitimately. Let it play as it would say.
But after this year, do not have another official EVE alliance tournament. Yes, it's quite fun to watch and prizes are good, but with it's artificialities goes against what EVE is as a sandbox game.
If you're going to have an alliance tournament in the future, put it in the hands of the players, maybe even the CSM or something, or elect another council to organise it rather than Devs etc.
Player sanctioned prizes and all.
Finish this one by handing out the Caldari ships and be done with.
The Alliance Tournament is not Eve. If it WERE the sandbox they would allow us to move in and interrupt the fight. It's completely separate. That means whatever rules CCP wants to put in.
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:Intigo wrote:Do the rules apply differently to us because of what happened last year? Is it fair to punish 2 teams for a genuine mistake ... ? I love Eve is easy. I've paid for watching those great videos. I loved the way you fought and I think you were the best of AT9. But I still think that YES - rules do apply differently because of the **** you fed me last year, and YES - it's fair to punish the two teams for that. I was genuinely excited for the whole AT9 and rearranged my work to see the finals, just to see that crap you guys gave us. IMO, while I'm a fan of yours, you get what you deserve.
I concur. You can sit at least one out. People and organizations alike pay for mistakes, even if it wasn't anyone's fault (which it was). |
Ophelia Aivoras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:56:00 -
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Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:[quote=Intigo] I was genuinely excited for the whole AT9 and rearranged my work to see the finals, just to see that crap you guys gave us.
People still mention AT9 ****** final (which was ****** no doubt) as if previous years finals were a really good show not a one sided ownage with no challenge |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
20
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:05:00 -
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Dubez wrote:Quote:This is a good post. I'm still amazed that every single email sent to the tournament team was completely ignored and the only official response we got (a Senior GM out of touch with the tournament team) was deemed invalid. Yeah, because you know, everyone who works at CCP is entitled to make decisions for a group completely unrelated to them. Oh yeah, and they are robots and never make mistakes ever. You say you sent countless mails. Lets see them. Own up or shut up imo. I find it difficult to take anything seriously from a group of people senseless enough to slither around what is considered good form. You ****** up, own up. You humiliated not only CCP but the entire EVE community by pulling that bull **** at Fanfest. Why can't you play fair like everyone else? Sure Goonswarm and TEST team up, but they aren't sharing their ****. At least the have some dignity in that respect. You guys on the other hand; no, not worth my time, CCPs time, or the player bases' time. Goodbye and good riddance.
Fanfest?! The tournament at Fanfest was won by HYDRA fair and square - it was a 3v3 with Haart, Leeloo and Leeloo's friend flying. This has nothing to do with the Fanfest tournament.
And the mails sent to the Tournament team (that were all ignored and not answered) are in Garmons original post on this matter:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717
Also, on the subject of testing together - CVA and 4th was considering (or have done) testing together too and you have no idea of what is shared or not shared between TEST / GSF. Nor do you realize what HYDRA & Outbreak are hiding from each other to bring out in case we met each other in the tournament.
Are you really arguing these things? Your points make no sense and have no basis in logic. |
Luis Graca
14
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:24:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there.
This is brilliant ccp dev making personal comments on eve forums
Let me trow some more fire if this is solve by letting this alliances enter the ATX are doing going to be force to pay to enter since the free slots are already given? (and 1 action already been made) |
Wob Wob Wob
Incestuous Cult of Paranoid Swamp People
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:28:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote: The Alliance Tournament is not Eve. If it WERE the sandbox they would allow us to move in and interrupt the fight. It's completely separate. That means whatever rules CCP wants to put in.
Exactly
It doesn't feel like it is EVE, it just feels like an outside tournament among the elite.
The tournament itself I don't mind, I think it should be fair and just, but for something that doesn't really fit into the EVE ecosystem all that much, the prizes should not be so glamorous.
Just give them a monument and some game time or something rather than exclusive ships |
Anna Katarr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:30:00 -
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i really cant wait for kil2's pun-infested commentary, my hopes are high he takes his chances and that it will be glorious...
INVITE HYDRA GUY TO COMMENTATE BAN HYDRA GET FUN |
gary noballs
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:47:00 -
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Ban cheaters > collect tears > go to the local in Reykjavik for post work beers
+1 CCP |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
23
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:11:00 -
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SwindonBadger and others: not sure how you came to the conclusion that I have some personal grudge/rage against Hydra/0utbreak. Yes, I do think you won last year unfairly, and I do think you deserve the punishment, but my feelings are nowhere near as intense as you imagine them to be. It's just internet spaceships, after all. I've also posted multiple times that I think one of your teams should be allowed into ATX, as it would make for a better tournament.
One amusing thing does come to mind though. A few people from Hydra/0utbreak said that last year's match against DarkSide was the actual/real final, and that therefore people shouldn't be upset about the official final. I agree with this assessment and am waiting for 50 Malices to be contracted to me |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:21:00 -
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"but guys it technically wasn't cheating because I never swallowed" |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
135
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:28:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well?
Sigh. I think MB3's app to TEST's tournament team got denied (not by me). Durr who has never shown up for a practice or shown any interest in our AT team is using it as ammunition to support Hydra.
Never change TEST. Never change. Absolute chaos. This is like an extension of our internal forums.
For the record we stole one setup from Goons so far. It had Proteii in it and we have never flown it. And they beat us 80% of the time. We can't even get pilots with the trained skills to fly our own setups. Goons are clearly the superior team at this point. |
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