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Vesania braxX
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:51:00 -
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I think the most interesting part of this whole discussion, is how many times CCP officials are unaware of their impact towards the CCP brand. I have never in my life met so arrogant company officials, with an almost godlike attitude.
I do not know what you think about your player base but writing below is simply offending in advance.
Quote:try to maintain some modicum of decorum (that means donGÇÖt be a butt)
You actually tell your customers that you expect them to be buttGÇÖs GÇô I have never seen a company having success by that customer care strategy.
Furthermore I have also NEVER met a paying customer satisfied with wrong advisory/guidance and afterwards getting punished from following official statements. This is both childish and from a corporate perspective suicidal.
Commenting on advises done towards Hydra and 0utbreak as a DEV seems a little awkward when you do not have time to answer one of the mails send to CCP. After all it would not be hard to respond as the rules seem very clear for CCP.
May I kindly suggest that you seek external advisory on your communications strategy, and maybe train your staff that performs community based work? I cannot understand how an official communication channel is so full of immature statements. Most posts from CCP looks like they are even offended, seeking revenge.
The only reason I can find that allows this behavior, must be that the clients are addicted to your product, myself inclusive.
Someone playing their cards right in a Tournament with given rules should never cause such devaluating reactions from the tournament owner, you changed the rules GÇô thatGÇÖs fine - but stop misbehaving, it looks to me that you are actively trying to fight your customers?
I know you all work with a computer game, but basically itGÇÖs a product that should be supported by mature and professional officials, seeking to please the clients and avoid hurting the brand from being unorganized and immature.
For you it should not be a game, you should let the player base metagame rather than participating in it GÇô with your very touchy emotions.
Grow a pair and admit when you are wrong, after all the truth is out there, mate!
//ves
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
93
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:09:00 -
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When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video. --- ATX: The best of the rest. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
487
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:42:00 -
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So basicly they say:
"Do not trust a GM's reply to a question because as soon as we can we will screw you over and hit you with an own explenation contrary to the GM's reply"
So everytime a GM tells you to go ahead with something or not go ahead you shoudln't trust on that anymore. Because 5 minutes later you could get a ban for following a GM's advice or warning.
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Raqn Paudeen
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:08:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:So basicly they say:
"Do not trust a GM's reply to a question because as soon as we can we will screw you over and hit you with an own explenation contrary to the GM's reply"
So everytime a GM tells you to go ahead with something or not go ahead you shoudln't trust on that anymore. Because 5 minutes later you could get a ban for following a GM's advice or warning.
Unfortunately they have gone into full damage control now. They're accusing HYDRA of not doing what they said they're doing in the petition they said, which is different to what they were saying last night. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:12:00 -
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you guys got owned by sreegs sorry
it seemed like you might have had a point until he posted the actual gm response
then laffo |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:13:00 -
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like i was completely sympathetic to that argument but the gm response simply restated the rule and didn't let you do what you did s0z m8s |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
497
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:13:00 -
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We all know the rule: "If it looks to be to good to be true then most likely it is."
New rule to that: "If it looks legit, get told it's legit by someone legit then there is a good chance it will get you banned."
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:15:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:We all know the rule: "If it looks to be to good to be true then most likely it is."
New rule to that: "If it looks legit, get told it's legit by someone legit then there is a good chance it will get you banned."
they didn't get told it was legit, they got the rule copy/pasted back to them
they then, stupidly, thought that was carte blanche |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
497
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:16:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:you guys got owned by sreegs sorry
it seemed like you might have had a point until he posted the actual gm response
then laffo
And since when is a copy paste of a responce a proof in EVE? Also isn't there a rule to never ever post conversations between a GM and a player or group of players?
How handy it can be broken in certain people's advantage. Sadly enough we have to take someone's word even though a lot of people don't trust his word to be a full and accurate communication in this matter.
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1348
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:23:00 -
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Let us not forget why there is a CSM:
Because someone at CCP was cheating in the game.
Let us not forget what they did not do after he was caught:
Fire the employee in question
Any questions? Hmmm |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
440
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:24:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Because someone at CCP was cheating in the game.
Any questions?
yes
who is cheating and how? eh |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
79
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:25:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.
You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:26:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote: And since when is a copy paste of a responce a proof in EVE? Also isn't there a rule to never ever post conversations between a GM and a player or group of players?
How handy it can be broken in certain people's advantage. Sadly enough we have to take someone's word even though a lot of people don't trust his word to be a full and accurate communication in this matter.
But leave it up to a Goon to advocate for Screegs. Homies forever, right.
the people who make the rules are free to change them if hydra wants to claim the gm response sreegs posted was fake they'd be free to do so and we'd doubtless have seen a threadnaught of posting claiming it was a fake
instead: *crickets* |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
440
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:26:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video. You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?
the fact that Goonswarm Federation was drawn
oh wait! eh |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
502
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:
the fact that Goonswarm Federation was drawn
oh wait!
wait for the absurd amount of PLEX which you might use to buy in a certain spot instead? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
502
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:31:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:
the people who make the rules are free to change them
And if you change a rule you then punish people for the new rule because that one breaks the law whereas the old rule allowed it.
God I would hate to live in your world.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
440
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:33:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:And if you change a rule you then punish people for the new rule because that one breaks the law whereas the old rule allowed it.
God I would hate to live in your world.
so you're saying that CCP shouldn't enforce their rules
good, reinstate mittens as chair! eh |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
79
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:33:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:you guys got owned by sreegs sorry
it seemed like you might have had a point until he posted the actual gm response
then laffo And since when is a copy paste of a responce a proof in EVE? Also isn't there a rule to never ever post conversations between a GM and a player or group of players? How handy it can be broken in certain people's advantage. Sadly enough we have to take someone's word even though a lot of people don't trust his word to be a full and accurate communication in this matter. But leave it up to a Goon to advocate for Screegs. Homies forever, right.
Uh you do realize Hydra had already posted both of those mails before in the locked thread ? When both the player petitioning and a dev post the same correspondence I think you can rely on it not being fake.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:35:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:
the people who make the rules are free to change them
And if you change a rule you then punish people for the new rule because that one breaks the law whereas the old rule allowed it. God I would hate to live in your world. no, see, the changed rule was posting gm correspondence which you were trying to turn into A Thing
it is clear the rules on what hydra/outbreak could do did not change one iota between the original posting of the rules, the gm's restatement, and the subsequent hammer to the **** when h/o broke it |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
108
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:39:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video. You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?
Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.
Your failure to understand is anticipated. --- ATX: The best of the rest. |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:41:00 -
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i know a lot more than three names that were not in the hat |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:41:00 -
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a virtually infinite number of names that were not in the hat, it turns out |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:41:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video. You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ? Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done. Your failure to understand is anticipated.
What three names would those be? This is news to me. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:42:00 -
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the names in the hat were pre-selected!!!!111!!
(by selecting the names of the alliances who applied and paid 10 plex) |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
107
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:45:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video. You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ? Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done. Your failure to understand is anticipated. What three names would those be? This is news to me.
Many things would be news to you, it's not much of a revelation. --- ATX: The best of the rest. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
440
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:45:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.
Your failure to understand is anticipated.
oh you mean the names that were removed from the hat for violating clear-cut AT rules
yes this was clearly a ~CONSPIRACY~ to enforce a rule that had existed long before the submission period was even announced eh |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
51
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:46:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.
Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose. Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is. Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.
I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video. You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ? Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done. Your failure to understand is anticipated. What three names would those be? This is news to me.
News like the unanswered emails in your official AT team inbox? Or did the evil spam filter eat those after all? /o |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
51
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:54:00 -
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Ah, deleting posts instead of locking threads :)
Page 2 just dissapeared from here, luckily I had it in my cache... Current post #16 used to be #21 and a bunch missing after that:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/153442/Eve/PICCIES/LolCCP/Screen%20shot%202012-05-25%20at%206.52.15%20.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/153442/Eve/PICCIES/LolCCP/Screen%20shot%202012-05-25%20at%206.52.27%20.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/153442/Eve/PICCIES/LolCCP/Screen%20shot%202012-05-25%20at%206.52.34%20.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/153442/Eve/PICCIES/LolCCP/Screen%20shot%202012-05-25%20at%206.53.04%20.png
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
212
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:55:00 -
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eve-search m8 http://eve-search.com/thread/113251-1 |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
441
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:58:00 -
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You should really warn us about having to look at OS X's font rendering. eh |
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Hecater
Scullthrone
5
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:59:00 -
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meanwhile in CCP office:
"fack shiet NO!!! ddos eve-search NOW! NOW !!! 30% structure 30% structure!!!" |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
503
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:59:00 -
[32] - Quote
They forgot to remove the blue linky indicating a Dev replied here.
Sad sad world.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
51
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:00:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:You should really warn us about having to look at OS X's font rendering.
Sorry m8 still at work /o
Killer Gandry wrote:They forgot to remove the blue linky indicating a Dev replied here.
Sad sad world.
Ahah, true
gogogo http://eve-search.com/thread/113251-1 |
Suitonia
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:48:00 -
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June 21st repeat incoming |
TomyLobo
Posthuman Society Elysian Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.05.25 19:39:00 -
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If this was actually a major issue, more people would be concerned, but sadly it isn't. |
Vesania braxX
0utbreak Outbreak.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.25 20:23:00 -
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Yet no CCP official wants to debate behaviour, instead they delete official answers to hide immaturity |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
509
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Posted - 2012.05.25 20:26:00 -
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All are equal. Some a bit more then others.
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StevieTopSiders
Evolution IT Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.05.25 20:47:00 -
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ITT Internet Butthurt Businessman offers software company on PR advice.
gfgfgf HydraBreak |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
52
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Posted - 2012.05.26 06:47:00 -
[39] - Quote
Vesania braxX wrote:Yet no CCP official wants to debate behaviour, instead they delete official answers to hide immaturity
Indeed
http://eve-search.com/thread/113251-1
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Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
61
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:22:00 -
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Wasn't he from goons though? If so it's kind of to be expected that he would post as if he has a mental disability, it's the status quo within that bloc My Latest Video: Freestyle II |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1348
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:10:00 -
[41] - Quote
Not relevant to EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion.
Thread locked. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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