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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:06:00 -
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Dude....
You are aware that most isk sellers are not from china?
The biggist isk resellers and even wow gold resellers are actually american and european. --
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Dude....
You are aware that most isk sellers are not from china?
The biggist isk resellers and even wow gold resellers are actually american and european.
And no matter how much I think about it, it's hard to even imagine people so heartless, and laugh all you want. But these are the lowest of the low, still above prostitution, but getting there. ________________________________________________
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Mia Zheng
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:29:00 -
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Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 31/07/2009 00:55:35
Originally by: Mia Zheng Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
It's a damn fact that a majority of farmers are Chinese. They have earned their reputation for it.
The keylogger spammer, is Chinese, the server they have that collects the keylogged data (202.104.237.84), is in China, the domains, are Chinese.
It's perfectly believable that, no, not all Chinese players are ISK sellers. I'm not saying all Chinese players are ISK sellers. We're just saying a majority of ISK sellers are Chinese.
I'm sure theres ISK sellers of all nationalities. But still, a majority of them are probably Chinese.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.07.31 02:30:00 -
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Now if only those chinamen would deliver chop suey along with the isk then all would be forgiven.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.31 04:41:00 -
[66]
We are winning this war.
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I just got done drunkenly ordering a dozen and a half bulls on ebay. They will be delivered fedx same-day air to various shops in china town with specific instructions to 'let them loose'.
i can hear it now! "who reft this burr roose in my china shop!" ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Now if only those chinamen would deliver chop suey along with the isk then all would be forgiven.
Kung Pao pork pls.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.07.31 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 05:48:54
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 31/07/2009 00:55:35
Originally by: Mia Zheng Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
It's a damn fact that a majority of farmers are Chinese. They have earned their reputation for it.
The keylogger spammer, is Chinese, the server they have that collects the keylogged data (202.104.237.84), is in China, the domains, are Chinese.
It's perfectly believable that, no, not all Chinese players are ISK sellers. I'm not saying all Chinese players are ISK sellers. We're just saying a majority of ISK sellers are Chinese.
I'm sure theres ISK sellers of all nationalities. But still, a majority of them are probably Chinese.
Most farmers might be from China, but the major isk and wow gold sellers are actually american/european. The Chinese guy sells isk to the reseller and its the reseller that flogs the vast majority of it. Just because the reseller might use low cost labour, do not mean you should direct attention away from it.
There has been a lot of instances in eve where the big isk sellers turn out to be Brittish or Amerecan etc. --
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
This is a key fact that CCP should milk for all it's worth on login screens: don't buy ISK off the EULA-breaking RMTers, because it'll get you skint and it's not as productive as selling PLEXs. Trying not to mention the elephant in the living room is counter-productive when this one fact alone has the potential (if it's widely known) to remove the elephant at a stroke.
The only problem I can see is that demand for ISK may exceed the demand for PLEXs. Certainly the price of PLEXs may well drop if all the ****wits that buy off the black market channels switched to legit methods.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.17 16:49:00 -
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we win
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.17 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2009 09:25:28 Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
First poem i deal is free
I'm not going to war with anyone, you can scream at me, but i won't mind.
what about the oranges, the purples, CAN I PLEASE BE PURPLE... but if im purple, or orange... or flashy red... you left me out
YOU BASTARD!
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DayWalker48
Alpha-Squadron
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:22:00 -
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You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. The people that have been playing forever and earned thier way to the top and feel that they are superior etc etc. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by driving prices up. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
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DayWalker48
Alpha-Squadron
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
Your an idiot. This is how the prices used to be.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 700 mil isk ingame. $20.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 1bil isk ingame.
Anyone that want's to buy isk is now forced to pay double directly from CCP only. They are not trying to stop the buying of isk they are trying to take all the profit for themselves and charge you double for it. Open your eyes people... The isk sellers were doing you a favor on cheaper isk before the ban.
If you really believe in what your saying on here than you should all ask CCP to stop the buying of isk all together. Otherwise your all just asking for a mandated price increase by CCP like a bunch of idiots.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/08/2009 17:50:10
Originally by: Discova Did someone say, "Fish Ball Soup?"
I didn't know fish had balls.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: Sean Avery [ Oh I get it! You replaced the L's with R's!!! You sir are a cunning linguist.
This wirr be deart with!
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:30:00 -
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Let just talk Obama into nuking China and be done with it.
No sweat shop grinders, no isk to sell for the rich European reseller. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/08/2009 18:35:56
Originally by: Hoo Is Let just talk Obama into nuking China and be done with it.
Osama Bin Obama is too busy trying to nuke the health care system ATM.
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/08/2009 18:35:56
Originally by: Hoo Is Let just talk Obama into nuking China and be done with it.
Osama Bin Obama is too busy trying to nuke the health care system ATM.
We can tell Pelosi that Right Wing Extremists in China are grinding isk to buy ads in EVE to show the downsides of government run healthcare ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:27:33 You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control of market values. All it takes is a small group to change the whole damn games economy by deciding to rip people off and drive prices up. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by doing this. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play for fun less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
Also for the record I DO buy PLEX's for isk because I do not have enough time to grind AND play for fun...And risking getting banned is not for me, so I don't condone what theyre doing I'm just saying maybe its not as bad as everyone is thinking...
Well, to be honest, there are a lot cheaper stations, with good supplies, than trade hubs. Even with the isk sellers active, you really think they control the entire market in all modules, ships etc?
I am looking at the 10mn II graph atm, it hasn't shot up in price, but then I dont buy or sell in Jita.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:27:33 You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control of market values. All it takes is a small group to change the whole damn games economy by deciding to rip people off and drive prices up. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by doing this. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play for fun less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
Also for the record I DO buy PLEX's for isk because I do not have enough time to grind AND play for fun...And risking getting banned is not for me, so I don't condone what theyre doing I'm just saying maybe its not as bad as everyone is thinking...
I would also like to say sure some things might be going up a tad but some things are also going down.
One of the items I make is t2 Hammerheads and before all this I could happily sell them at over 600k now there down to 530k in certain hubs, and that's not the only module doing that. so can you really say without them prices will go up and up.
Also the more you raise something above the build price the more they cost, true However it also means that people can make more isk by making and selling them from loot so the net change overall is malls really. ---
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:50:03
Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
Your an idiot. This is how the prices used to be.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 700 mil isk ingame. $20.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 1bil isk ingame.
Anyone that want's to buy isk is now forced to pay double directly from CCP only. They are not trying to stop the buying of isk they are trying to take all the profit for themselves and charge you double for it. Open your eyes people... The isk sellers were doing you a favor on cheaper isk before the ban.
If you really believe in what your saying on here than you should all ask CCP to stop the buying of isk all together. Otherwise your all just asking for a mandated price increase by CCP like a bunch of of really smart people.
You aren't really the brightest star in the night sky are you...
Disregarding the numerous flaws in your reasoning (not to mention fabricated figures), let me ask you this.
What value do you place on having your account temporarily banned when those sites you purchase your cheap isk from slip a keylogger on your system and hack your account? How much money will you have wasted when CCP catches you and takes all that isk away again, or simply perma bans your account? How is your wallet going to look your friend the isk seller comes along and empties it, along with your hanger? Do you think they'll stop at $20 when they get your credit card information?
Frankly, me thinks you protesteth to much.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:27:33 You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control of market values. All it takes is a small group to change the whole damn games economy by deciding to rip people off and drive prices up. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by doing this. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play for fun less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
Also for the record I DO buy PLEX's for isk because I do not have enough time to grind AND play for fun...And risking getting banned is not for me, so I don't condone what theyre doing I'm just saying maybe its not as bad as everyone is thinking...
By itself, illegal isk selling is not worse or better for the players, it is exactly the same.
The problem is that the illegal isk sellers often use criminal methods to get the isk, things like botting, hacking accounts and stealing your isk, all the spam on the chat channels, etc Those are the things that cause us, the players grief.
This is besides the fact that I really don't like RMT, and the RMT that EVE currently has, is as far as I ever will support, but I rather have this ( rather inventive ) legit RMT with plexes without all the nasty side effects of illegal RMT.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:36:00 -
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I thought china had their own eve server? if so ban them from this server. Let them spam out their own servers
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:50:03
Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
Your an idiot. This is how the prices used to be.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 700 mil isk ingame. $20.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 1bil isk ingame.
Anyone that want's to buy isk is now forced to pay double directly from CCP only. They are not trying to stop the buying of isk they are trying to take all the profit for themselves and charge you double for it. Open your eyes people... The isk sellers were doing you a favor on cheaper isk before the ban.
If you really believe in what your saying on here than you should all ask CCP to stop the buying of isk all together. Otherwise your all just asking for a mandated price increase by CCP like a bunch of of really smart people.
Actually, this is another awesome side effect of the inventive RMT system CCP invented.
CCP is actually encouraged to actively track and destroy the illegal ISK sellers, because that's more profit for them :p
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Qwyp I thought china had their own eve server? if so ban them from this server. Let them spam out their own servers
While I am normally very much against any sort of IP ban by principle, in this case I may encourage an exception :p
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
The problem is that the illegal isk sellers often use criminal methods to get the isk, things like botting, hacking accounts and stealing your isk, all the spam on the chat channels, etc Those are the things that cause us, the players grief.
this. and they cause overproportional cpu load on the servers; like 1% of the population consume 30% of the cpu power LOL
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 31/07/2009 00:55:35
Originally by: Mia Zheng Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
It's a damn fact that a majority of farmers are Chinese. They have earned their reputation for it.
The keylogger spammer, is Chinese, the server they have that collects the keylogged data (202.104.237.84), is in China, the domains, are Chinese.
It's perfectly believable that, no, not all Chinese players are ISK sellers. I'm not saying all Chinese players are ISK sellers. We're just saying a majority of ISK sellers are Chinese.
I'm sure theres ISK sellers of all nationalities. But still, a majority of them are probably Chinese.
ive killed many russian macro ratters in insmother
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