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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:20:00 -
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Since they got most of their accounts banned, they are currently taking revenge through hacking innocent accounts and stealing their assets and isks, thus destroying all the efforts the players have made throughout the months and years.
The Eve community needs to stand together as a force of united warriors and show those people that we dont want them here, and neither do we want their isk.
This is the only way to get rid of them.
I say: This is a war, and those who are still buying isks are betraying the eve community AND themselves, since they also risk their own account getting hacked sooner or later.
Through the space we ride Ten thousands side by side With laserguns drawn held high Our shields and armours shine
They wanna keep us down But they can't last When we get up we're gonna kick their ass Gonna keep on burnin'
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Dark Soldat
Caldari The Green Machine Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:23:00 -
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Riveting tale, Chap !
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:24:00 -
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Ah, it are the Chinese isk sellers who ruining everything. I'm glad to hear other isk sellers are fine!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2009 09:25:28 Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
First poem i deal is free
I'm not going to war with anyone, you can scream at me, but i won't mind.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Ah, it are the Chinese isk sellers who ruining everything. I'm glad to hear other isk sellers are fine!
do a whois report on the major and most frequently used isk seller sites, then youll know where they are located and who is hosting them
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PTang
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra Since they got most of their accounts banned, they are currently taking revenge through hacking innocent accounts and stealing their assets and isks,
that's funny I was under the understanding on battle clinic that the IPs were tracked to Tennessee in the US.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
Quote:
Thank you for sharing this poem with us.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
that's funny I was under the understanding on battle clinic that the IPs were tracked to Tennessee in the US.
ISKONSALE.COM NAME SERVERS Name Server IP Location ns.xinnet.cn 202.10.73.4 Beijing, 22, CN ns.xinnetdns.com 202.10.73.6 Beijing, 22, CN
Registrar: XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION Whois Server: whois.paycenter.com.cn Referral URL: http://www.xinnet.com Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant: Organization : liu yu Name : liu yu Address : Nangang District, Harbin, Heilongjiang Province, No. 42 Man Cheo City : haerbin Province/State : Heilongjiang Country : CN Postal Code : 150001
NetRange: 202.0.0.0 - 203.255.255.255 OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre OrgID: APNIC Address: PO Box 2131 City: Milton StateProv: QLD PostalCode: 4064 Country: AU
ReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.net
General Information
Hostname:202.10.73.4 ISP:XinNet Technology Corp. Organization:XinNet Technology Corp. Proxy:None detected Type:Cable/DSL Blacklist:
Geo-Location Information
Country:China State/Region:22 City:Beijing Latitude:39.9289 Longitude:116.3883 Area Code:
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:42:00 -
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This sounds serious. I'm out
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2009 09:25:28 Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
First poem i deal is free
I'm not going to war with anyone, you can scream at me, but i won't mind.
Made me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-InDo4l60Dc ________________________________________________
Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide! |
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:43:00 -
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Isk sewrers got banned and now they are very ronery
can you brame them for rashing out against the eve onrine community? ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:03:00 -
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If you could identify the profit motive, I might find it credible.
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Sean Avery
Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy Isk sewrers got banned and now they are very ronery
can you brame them for rashing out against the eve onrine community?
Oh I get it! You replaced the L's with R's!!! You sir are a cunning linguist.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Avery
You sir are a cunning linguist.
did i just hear Colonel Angus? ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Peaky Pounder
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:33:00 -
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Yeah, lets kill people hacking accounts with lasers.
Are you joking mate? Look more logically at the situation
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:50:00 -
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x anti isk seller and hacker fleet, RR BS
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:52:00 -
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I still think its ricdic. Motivation and spare money are all accounted for and its not like digging up chinese pron sites that try to install malware would be hard to do.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Peaky Pounder Yeah, lets kill people hacking accounts with lasers.
Are you joking mate? Look more logically at the situation
its not as illogical as you might think. Those who buy from the isk sellers are ought to not buy isk from them anymore, and instead use their own lasers to do some more PVE pew pew and generate their own isk.
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Peter Powers
FinFleet
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Posted - 2009.07.30 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
love that, gonna steal it for some bio.
Your Chance to a Chimera Carrier - Lottery - 1 Mio per Ticket! |
Killer Gandry
Caldari Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.30 11:54:00 -
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And stupid me always thinking the only reason ISK sellers exsist is the reason there are ISK buyers.
No buyers no sellers.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove If you could identify the profit motive, I might find it credible.
Hack account -> drain ISK & items from hacked account -> RMT ISK & items -> spend real money on FISH BALL SOUP
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: PTang
that's funny I was under the understanding on battle clinic that the IPs were tracked to Tennessee in the US.
ISKONSALE.COM NAME SERVERS Name Server IP Location ns.xinnet.cn 202.10.73.4 Beijing, 22, CN ns.xinnetdns.com 202.10.73.6 Beijing, 22, CN
Registrar: XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION Whois Server: whois.paycenter.com.cn Referral URL: http://www.xinnet.com Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant: Organization : liu yu Name : liu yu Address : Nangang District, Harbin, Heilongjiang Province, No. 42 Man Cheo City : haerbin Province/State : Heilongjiang Country : CN Postal Code : 150001
NetRange: 202.0.0.0 - 203.255.255.255 OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre OrgID: APNIC Address: PO Box 2131 City: Milton StateProv: QLD PostalCode: 4064 Country: AU
ReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.net
General Information
Hostname:202.10.73.4 ISP:XinNet Technology Corp. Organization:XinNet Technology Corp. Proxy:None detected Type:Cable/DSL Blacklist:
Geo-Location Information
Country:China State/Region:22 City:Beijing Latitude:39.9289 Longitude:116.3883 Area Code:
Um, what people are arguing is that it's not the isk sellers who are doing this. Your supposition is that it is the isk sellers, and therefore must be the Chinese. That is where your whole argument fails. ______ Why has the number of players online dropped from 50k to 25k? BECAUSE OF SWINE FLU |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2009 12:27:54
Originally by: Peter Powers
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
love that, gonna steal it for some bio.
Quite welcome to do so, tell your friends, i'll be here all eternity, try the PODmelet.
"Charlies Culinary PODmelet - 'cause you can't make a good PODmelet without popping a few PODs."
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Discrodia
Gallente Guardian Legion SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:44:00 -
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It's actually a crime in china to sell gaming currency. Not well enforced, but since they're so good at controlling their internet I'm sure they fine / arrest people for it.
And you can protect yourself with 1. Antivirus 2. Not clicking funny links 3. That thing between your ears. ___________________________________________
Discrodia > Annoying idiots in 0.0 is my business. Business keeps picking up. Discrodia > I also like misquoting stuff :D |
Aurora Nyx
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:52:00 -
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3/10
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Jolla Skyia
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jolla Skyia on 30/07/2009 13:12:09
Originally by: Tiny Tove If you could identify the profit motive, I might find it credible.
ummm.. stealing the isk and then selling it as well as anything else they can get their hands on, is likely just as profitable as running a bunch of macros.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry And stupid me always thinking the only reason ISK sellers exsist is the reason there are ISK buyers.
No buyers no sellers.
This. As long as people buy isk, the problem remains.
And this business is beigger then one would initially expect. Its not as big in EVE as say in WOW. The balck market there is large :P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jolla Skyia Edited by: Jolla Skyia on 30/07/2009 13:12:09
Originally by: Tiny Tove If you could identify the profit motive, I might find it credible.
ummm.. stealing the isk and then selling it as well as anything else they can get their hands on, is likely just as profitable as running a bunch of macros.
Ummmm....I thought TT was referring to OUR profit motive in this (LOL) "war." KB
Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:43:00 -
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ibtl Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Jolla Skyia Edited by: Jolla Skyia on 30/07/2009 13:12:09
Originally by: Tiny Tove If you could identify the profit motive, I might find it credible.
ummm.. stealing the isk and then selling it as well as anything else they can get their hands on, is likely just as profitable as running a bunch of macros.
Ummmm....I thought TT was referring to OUR profit motive in this (LOL) "war."
Fish ball soup?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:11:00 -
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So the OP wants us to form lynch mobs and hunt down and wipe out the ISK buyers?
I mean I'm not complaining. All for mobs. All for random violence. Just thinking that maybe the price of air travel for everyone involved may make this a rather expensive war. Plus local authorities arn't likely to agree to our excuse. Actually pretty sure they'd be very much against it. They like to ruin the fun of lynch mobs for some odd reason. Come to think of it they like to ruin the fun of all mobs.
"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Avery [ Oh I get it! You replaced the L's with R's!!! You sir are a cunning linguist.
This wirr be deart with!
Armoured C - school girl she has the best boobs 'she so cute' ,so beautiful in this vid |
Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 30/07/2009 15:37:28 CCP should flag all accounts of ISK buyer accounts with red name text in the market and the chat channels for their current and future characters.
Then we could all deal our own justice, I'd imagine that would literally kill the account, and buying ISK through plex wouldn't be enough to restore the character.
The downside is (it really isn't) that the buyer either leaves EVE or has to get a new account!
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Discova
Interstellar Corp Exhumers
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:42:00 -
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Did someone say, "Fish Ball Soup?"
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 30/07/2009 15:47:28
Originally by: Khemul Zula Just thinking that maybe the price of air travel for everyone involved may make this a rather expensive war. Plus local authorities arn't likely to agree to our excuse. Actually pretty sure they'd be very much against it. They like to ruin the fun of lynch mobs for some odd reason. Come to think of it they like to ruin the fun of all mobs.
we could start off with a small task force of like 10 people wich the one or the other who have had some training in the one or the other martial arts sports, just to be on the safe side. then we could go on some 1-week holiday to beijing and look for this guy Liu Yu at Nangang District, Harbin, Heilongjiang Province, No. 42 Man Cheo, and find out what he might has to tell us about isk selling and the like. In a peaceful manner, since we are only a scout team.
Itd be very much like just interviewing him a little bit and then looking what he has to tell. And then we can still beat him up a little bit if hes not cooperative enough.
J/K!!!!!!!!! We would of course NOT do that! Instead every eve player must be instructed how to help making them weaker every day.
Everytime they get stronger they can field more means and tools to have revenge upon us. Everytime they get weaker they will lose ground.
The first step to make them weaker is to dry them out of real money. So everybody must agree to not buy a single isk from them anymore.
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loll'ded
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:49:00 -
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http://www.20589.com/article.jpgPlease visit your user settings to enable images. |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: loll'ded http://www.20589.com/article.jpgPlease visit your user settings to enable images.
Nobody even mentioned overrated frigid pillocks.... why this? |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:55:00 -
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grats you have just loaded a keylogger on your computer by klicking on it |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra grats you have just loaded a keylogger on your computer by klicking on it
Don't for one second think I would ever click on anything relating to that particular third rate nobody. If they want my username and password, they're going to have to offer me Julianne Moore. Legs akimbo.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:02:00 -
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he was even so friendly and proved that he belongs to the chinese isk seller mafia. look at the gibberish stuff in the left bottom corner. Its a straight approval for it.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 30/07/2009 16:08:08 oh look: (as an explanation: we have just attracted a keylogger spammer to this thread, he got reported and immediately banned)
but still: same data is available:
the link within the picture above with the keylogger behind it, where it leads to:
DOMAIN: 20589.COM
RSP: URL: http://www.namerich.cn
owner-contact: P-CPQ30 owner-organization: chenqiang owner-fname: chen qiang owner-lname: qiang owner-street: gansu owner-city: gansu owner-state: gansugansugansu owner-zip: 354111 owner-country: CN owner-phone: +86.145144455545 owner-fax: +86.145144455545 owner-email:
admin-contact: P-CPQ30 admin-organization: chenqiang admin-fname: chen qiang admin-lname: qiang admin-street: gansu admin-city: gansu admin-state: gansugansugansu admin-zip: 354111 admin-country: CN admin-phone: +86.145144455545 admin-fax: +86.145144455545 admin-email:
tech-contact: P-CPQ30 tech-organization: chenqiang tech-fname: chen qiang tech-lname: qiang tech-street: gansu tech-city: gansu tech-state: gansugansugansu tech-zip: 354111 tech-country: CN tech-phone: +86.145144455545 tech-fax: +86.145144455545 tech-email:
billing-contact: P-CPQ30 billing-organization: chenqiang billing-fname: chen qiang billing-lname: qiang billing-street: gansu billing-city: gansu billing-state: gansugansugansu billing-zip: 354111 billing-country: CN billing-phone: +86.145144455545 billing-fax: +86.145144455545 billing-email:
nameserver: ns1.namerich.com nameserver: ns2.namerich.com
; Please register your domains at ; http://www.namerich.cn
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 30/07/2009 16:25:02
namerich.cn:
Visitors by Country: China 98.8% Visitors by City: CN Beijing 34% CN Shanghai 9.9% CN Changchun 7.7% CN Puyang 5.9% CN Zhongyuan 5.3% CN Hangzhou 3.6%
Server Type: Apache/2.0.55 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8b DAV/2 PHP/5.2.4 IP Address: 60.29.240.68 IP Location China - Tianjin - Tianjin - Shenzhoufanglue Limited Company
iskonsale.com:
Server Data IP Address: 222.73.227.222 IP Location China - Beijing - Beijing - Chinanet Shanghai Province Network Domain Status: Registered And Active Website Registrant Search: "liu yu" owns about 312 other domains
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 30/07/2009 16:27:27 IP Information for 222.73.227.222 IP Location: China China Beijing Chinanet Shanghai Province Network IP Address: 222.73.227.222 [Whois] [Reverse-Ip] [Ping] [DNS Lookup] [Traceroute] Reverse IP: 26 other sites hosted on this server. Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record
inetnum: 222.64.0.0 - 222.73.255.255 netname: CHINANET-SH descr: CHINANET shanghai province network descr: China Telecom descr: No1,jin-rong Street descr: Beijing 100032 country: CN admin-c: CH93-AP tech-c: XI5-AP changed: 20031024 mnt-by: APNIC-HM mnt-lower: MAINT-CHINANET-SH mnt-routes: MAINT-CHINANET-SH remarks: This object can only modify by APNIC hostmaster remarks: If you wish to modify this object details please remarks: send email to with your remarks: organisation account name in the subject line. status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE source: APNIC
person: Chinanet Hostmaster nic-hdl: CH93-AP e-mail: address: No.31 ,jingrong street,beijing address: 100032 phone: +86-10-58501724 fax-no: +86-10-58501724 country: CN changed: 20070416 mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET source: APNIC
person: Wu Xiao Li address: Room 805,61 North Si Chuan Road,Shanghai,200085,PRC country: CN phone: +86-21-63630562 fax-no: +86-21-63630566 e-mail: nic-hdl: XI5-AP mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET-SH changed: 20010510 source: APNIC
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:27:00 -
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IP Information for 60.29.240.68 IP Location: China China Tianjin Shenzhoufanglue Limited Company IP Address: 60.29.240.68 [Whois] [Reverse-Ip] [Ping] [DNS Lookup] [Traceroute] SSL Cert: www.namerich.cn expires in 498 days. Reverse IP: 19 other sites hosted on this server. Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record
inetnum: 60.29.240.0 - 60.29.240.255 netname: SZFL-LID-BJ country: CN descr: Shenzhoufanglue Limited company admin-c: HZ19-AP tech-c: HZ19-AP status: ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE changed: 20070523 mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-TJ source: APNIC
route: 60.28.0.0/15 descr: CNC Group CHINA169 Tianjin Province Network country: CN origin: AS4837 mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-RR changed: 20060118 source: APNIC
person: huang zheng nic-hdl: HZ19-AP e-mail: address: 76 NO, ****iLin Street ,HeBei district of Tianjin,China phone: +86-22-24459190 fax-no: +86-22-24454499 country: CN changed: 20050721 mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-TJ source: APNIC
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:28:00 -
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know who your enemy is -- Clausewitz
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kewso on 30/07/2009 16:32:44 hehe ban china blame canada
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Cyprus Black
Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:43:00 -
[47]
What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
Spurty
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 16:45:00 -
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I'm selling torches and pitch forks in jita 4-4, just send me 1 mill isk and I'll contract it over!
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i was thinking earlier about corpses...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
That's pretty hilarious tbh.
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.07.30 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
that's funny I was under the understanding on battle clinic that the IPs were tracked to Tennessee in the US.
thats funny, because I was under the understanding that any hacker worth 2c knows that he should first compromise a middleman system, then hack from there, or even through 2,3,4 systems.
the concept that you can trace a GOOD hacker's REAL ip address is laughable
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 19:57:00 -
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fact is also that in all cases when the isk spammers ingame post a telephone number as a contact, its always a chinese number
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arjun
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: arjun on 30/07/2009 20:22:07 they will only go away when they cant earn anymore so stop buying from them
also i am sure we have some trained hackers in the community which could get together to nuke all those isk seller sites
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:37:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Tamahra on 30/07/2009 20:41:41
Originally by: arjun Edited by: arjun on 30/07/2009 20:22:07 also i am sure we have some trained hackers in the community which could get together to nuke all those isk seller sites
this,
and there needs to be a tight cooperation between CCP, the Police, and programs like wireshark for example. Where we track down their dropzones from active keyloggers and nuke them down, in the case of our trained hackers, or close them down and initiate legal action against these people, in the case of the police.
This will be step two in the great war which is the EVE community vs the chinese isk sellers.
We met on EVE ground by a remote moon We heard the sound And we all knew What we had to do We called the high command Requested leave to make a stand And in the stars we grew And we all knew Soon the time would come For us to fight Isk-Sellers Now in sight
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kyoukoku
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: kyoukoku on 30/07/2009 21:06:46 /facepalm for all those folks who think the details on the whois records are going to even be anywhere remotely genuine, I'm sorry but you're mistaken.
The people registering the domains will have faked every bit of information used in the registration process, same as they likely would have done when creating their EVE accounts, so really it's not going to lead you anywhere useful.
How do I know this? Well domains & DNS is what I do for a living and I have to filter out so many fraudulent registrations from our system you wouldn't believe it. These folk's will use stolen credit cards, stolen identities and then try to register domains, rent webspace, emails etc and they only need a couple of schmucks to fall for their scams to make it profitable.
These scammers have no qualms about ripping off anyone they can get their teeth into, both in-game & in real life. A lot of the money they make is used to fund much more questionable activities in real life so I realy have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to get fooled by them.
The best thing CCP can do is cut of all IP traffic from china to the service, China already has their own cluster to play with after all so there is no reason why they should get access to ours when we can't access theirs.
Anyone caught buying ISK should face instant bans and have their details (names, credit cards, postal address, email address, signup IP's, etc) blacklisted from the system.
This may not completetly stop them, they may go through anonymous proxies or botnets but at least CCP can make things as difficult for these muppets as possible.
This is a war and the sooner CCP act the better. We don't want EVE to be over run by idiot ISK buyers & sellers nor account hackers.
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XJennieX
Minmatar Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:27:00 -
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mother****ers. if only we could fly and bombard those iskselling factories from space in RL..
would make me happy panda. DEC WAR TO ISKSELLERS!
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 30/07/2009 21:52:12
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: arjun
also i am sure we have some trained hackers in the community which could get together to nuke all those isk seller sites
this,
and there needs to be a tight cooperation between CCP, the Police, and programs like wireshark for example. Where we track down their dropzones from active keyloggers and nuke them down, in the case of our trained hackers, or close them down and initiate legal action against these people, in the case of the police.
This will be step two in the great war which is the EVE community vs the chinese isk sellers
You don't need to be a hacker to kill their sites. The collective broadband power of all EVE community players is enough to DOS their ISP to death. CCP can't get involved due to legal matters. But a few people could organize the event and silently pass out spammer programs to willing participants. It would take quite a bit of trust tho, since they could make a program take over your comp as well. Still, source code could be open and most people can compile it themselves and distribute to friends. We'd need to move this discussion off EVE forums, and CCP mods should delete all evidence. We just need to kick start the process here
it would help a lot of someone from CCP secretly supplied us with information on isk sellers, so we can have better targeted attacks.
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:12:00 -
[57]
YARRRR!!!
Wait...isksellers? ... My sig was fail, but now it isn't.
Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3
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Cre'tal
Eminent Disdain
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:34:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Malcanis
Fish ball soup?
Actually Fish Ball Porridge. A place near me serves it. I've not yet been brave enough to try it.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:55:00 -
[59]
Interesting...Iceland declares war on China today. Coincidence? KB
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
This is highly likely why the isk sellers have come in with this new tactic. They can no longer make a decent profit because plex sales have driven the real money value of isk to unprofitable low levels. They are now attempting to squeeze a few last pennies out of the game and at the same time are doing their best to try and destroy it.
As a side benefit, this whole situation is a real kick in the teeth for those who constantly and happily proclaim that rmt does no harm to the game.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:06:00 -
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Dude....
You are aware that most isk sellers are not from china?
The biggist isk resellers and even wow gold resellers are actually american and european. --
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:07:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Lord WarATron Dude....
You are aware that most isk sellers are not from china?
The biggist isk resellers and even wow gold resellers are actually american and european.
And no matter how much I think about it, it's hard to even imagine people so heartless, and laugh all you want. But these are the lowest of the low, still above prostitution, but getting there. ________________________________________________
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Mia Zheng
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:29:00 -
[63]
Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 31/07/2009 00:55:35
Originally by: Mia Zheng Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
It's a damn fact that a majority of farmers are Chinese. They have earned their reputation for it.
The keylogger spammer, is Chinese, the server they have that collects the keylogged data (202.104.237.84), is in China, the domains, are Chinese.
It's perfectly believable that, no, not all Chinese players are ISK sellers. I'm not saying all Chinese players are ISK sellers. We're just saying a majority of ISK sellers are Chinese.
I'm sure theres ISK sellers of all nationalities. But still, a majority of them are probably Chinese.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.07.31 02:30:00 -
[65]
Now if only those chinamen would deliver chop suey along with the isk then all would be forgiven.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.31 04:41:00 -
[66]
We are winning this war.
Battlereport 4:40GMT:
I just got done drunkenly ordering a dozen and a half bulls on ebay. They will be delivered fedx same-day air to various shops in china town with specific instructions to 'let them loose'.
i can hear it now! "who reft this burr roose in my china shop!" ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Now if only those chinamen would deliver chop suey along with the isk then all would be forgiven.
Kung Pao pork pls.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.07.31 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 05:48:54
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 31/07/2009 00:55:35
Originally by: Mia Zheng Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
It's a damn fact that a majority of farmers are Chinese. They have earned their reputation for it.
The keylogger spammer, is Chinese, the server they have that collects the keylogged data (202.104.237.84), is in China, the domains, are Chinese.
It's perfectly believable that, no, not all Chinese players are ISK sellers. I'm not saying all Chinese players are ISK sellers. We're just saying a majority of ISK sellers are Chinese.
I'm sure theres ISK sellers of all nationalities. But still, a majority of them are probably Chinese.
Most farmers might be from China, but the major isk and wow gold sellers are actually american/european. The Chinese guy sells isk to the reseller and its the reseller that flogs the vast majority of it. Just because the reseller might use low cost labour, do not mean you should direct attention away from it.
There has been a lot of instances in eve where the big isk sellers turn out to be Brittish or Amerecan etc. --
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
This is a key fact that CCP should milk for all it's worth on login screens: don't buy ISK off the EULA-breaking RMTers, because it'll get you skint and it's not as productive as selling PLEXs. Trying not to mention the elephant in the living room is counter-productive when this one fact alone has the potential (if it's widely known) to remove the elephant at a stroke.
The only problem I can see is that demand for ISK may exceed the demand for PLEXs. Certainly the price of PLEXs may well drop if all the ****wits that buy off the black market channels switched to legit methods.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.17 16:49:00 -
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we win
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.17 16:50:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2009 09:25:28 Targets are red, friendlies are blue, targets are dead, which one are you?
First poem i deal is free
I'm not going to war with anyone, you can scream at me, but i won't mind.
what about the oranges, the purples, CAN I PLEASE BE PURPLE... but if im purple, or orange... or flashy red... you left me out
YOU BASTARD!
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DayWalker48
Alpha-Squadron
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:22:00 -
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You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. The people that have been playing forever and earned thier way to the top and feel that they are superior etc etc. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by driving prices up. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
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DayWalker48
Alpha-Squadron
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
Your an idiot. This is how the prices used to be.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 700 mil isk ingame. $20.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 1bil isk ingame.
Anyone that want's to buy isk is now forced to pay double directly from CCP only. They are not trying to stop the buying of isk they are trying to take all the profit for themselves and charge you double for it. Open your eyes people... The isk sellers were doing you a favor on cheaper isk before the ban.
If you really believe in what your saying on here than you should all ask CCP to stop the buying of isk all together. Otherwise your all just asking for a mandated price increase by CCP like a bunch of idiots.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/08/2009 17:50:10
Originally by: Discova Did someone say, "Fish Ball Soup?"
I didn't know fish had balls.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:18:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: Sean Avery [ Oh I get it! You replaced the L's with R's!!! You sir are a cunning linguist.
This wirr be deart with!
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:30:00 -
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Let just talk Obama into nuking China and be done with it.
No sweat shop grinders, no isk to sell for the rich European reseller. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/08/2009 18:35:56
Originally by: Hoo Is Let just talk Obama into nuking China and be done with it.
Osama Bin Obama is too busy trying to nuke the health care system ATM.
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/08/2009 18:35:56
Originally by: Hoo Is Let just talk Obama into nuking China and be done with it.
Osama Bin Obama is too busy trying to nuke the health care system ATM.
We can tell Pelosi that Right Wing Extremists in China are grinding isk to buy ads in EVE to show the downsides of government run healthcare ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:27:33 You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control of market values. All it takes is a small group to change the whole damn games economy by deciding to rip people off and drive prices up. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by doing this. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play for fun less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
Also for the record I DO buy PLEX's for isk because I do not have enough time to grind AND play for fun...And risking getting banned is not for me, so I don't condone what theyre doing I'm just saying maybe its not as bad as everyone is thinking...
Well, to be honest, there are a lot cheaper stations, with good supplies, than trade hubs. Even with the isk sellers active, you really think they control the entire market in all modules, ships etc?
I am looking at the 10mn II graph atm, it hasn't shot up in price, but then I dont buy or sell in Jita.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:27:33 You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control of market values. All it takes is a small group to change the whole damn games economy by deciding to rip people off and drive prices up. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by doing this. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play for fun less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
Also for the record I DO buy PLEX's for isk because I do not have enough time to grind AND play for fun...And risking getting banned is not for me, so I don't condone what theyre doing I'm just saying maybe its not as bad as everyone is thinking...
I would also like to say sure some things might be going up a tad but some things are also going down.
One of the items I make is t2 Hammerheads and before all this I could happily sell them at over 600k now there down to 530k in certain hubs, and that's not the only module doing that. so can you really say without them prices will go up and up.
Also the more you raise something above the build price the more they cost, true However it also means that people can make more isk by making and selling them from loot so the net change overall is malls really. ---
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:50:03
Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
Your an idiot. This is how the prices used to be.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 700 mil isk ingame. $20.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 1bil isk ingame.
Anyone that want's to buy isk is now forced to pay double directly from CCP only. They are not trying to stop the buying of isk they are trying to take all the profit for themselves and charge you double for it. Open your eyes people... The isk sellers were doing you a favor on cheaper isk before the ban.
If you really believe in what your saying on here than you should all ask CCP to stop the buying of isk all together. Otherwise your all just asking for a mandated price increase by CCP like a bunch of of really smart people.
You aren't really the brightest star in the night sky are you...
Disregarding the numerous flaws in your reasoning (not to mention fabricated figures), let me ask you this.
What value do you place on having your account temporarily banned when those sites you purchase your cheap isk from slip a keylogger on your system and hack your account? How much money will you have wasted when CCP catches you and takes all that isk away again, or simply perma bans your account? How is your wallet going to look your friend the isk seller comes along and empties it, along with your hanger? Do you think they'll stop at $20 when they get your credit card information?
Frankly, me thinks you protesteth to much.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:27:33 You know its so easy to loose a fortune in this game and never see it again that I cant say I hate the isk sellers. The only thing removing them will do is put people with superhuge ego's in charge of the market. I mean think about it, I'd rather have someone completely biast in control of market values. All it takes is a small group to change the whole damn games economy by deciding to rip people off and drive prices up. Too many people will try to take advantage because of their positions of power by doing this. Look at the price of a 10mn microwarp(best named and tech 2). They are soaring to rediculous prices even tho they cost the same to mfgr as before. Abuse of control to make profit, and theyres nothing we can do about it. I am here to say that no matter what your projections indicate watch the market become overly inflated and make it harder and harder to fly pvp as peoples infladed heads make inflated prices. Without the isk sellers an already overpriced, hard to acquire item/asset(ISK)Will become even HARDER to aquire making everyone grind a ton more and play for fun less...And for the record, isk sellers sold isk at prices that were nearly half of what ccp is charging to this day...they are only more expensive now because of the bans...
Also for the record I DO buy PLEX's for isk because I do not have enough time to grind AND play for fun...And risking getting banned is not for me, so I don't condone what theyre doing I'm just saying maybe its not as bad as everyone is thinking...
By itself, illegal isk selling is not worse or better for the players, it is exactly the same.
The problem is that the illegal isk sellers often use criminal methods to get the isk, things like botting, hacking accounts and stealing your isk, all the spam on the chat channels, etc Those are the things that cause us, the players grief.
This is besides the fact that I really don't like RMT, and the RMT that EVE currently has, is as far as I ever will support, but I rather have this ( rather inventive ) legit RMT with plexes without all the nasty side effects of illegal RMT.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:36:00 -
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I thought china had their own eve server? if so ban them from this server. Let them spam out their own servers
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: DayWalker48 Edited by: DayWalker48 on 17/08/2009 17:50:03
Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: Cyprus Black What I find hilarious is that selling plex cards nets in more isk than buying from these isk sellers.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 750 mil isk ingame. (depending on current market value). $30.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 500 mil isk ingame.
Gee, which method is safe and the better deal? Isk sellers can't even touch legitimate isk sale prices.
Your an idiot. This is how the prices used to be.
$34.99 for 2x plex cards roughly sells for 700 mil isk ingame. $20.00 purchase from isk sellers gets you 1bil isk ingame.
Anyone that want's to buy isk is now forced to pay double directly from CCP only. They are not trying to stop the buying of isk they are trying to take all the profit for themselves and charge you double for it. Open your eyes people... The isk sellers were doing you a favor on cheaper isk before the ban.
If you really believe in what your saying on here than you should all ask CCP to stop the buying of isk all together. Otherwise your all just asking for a mandated price increase by CCP like a bunch of of really smart people.
Actually, this is another awesome side effect of the inventive RMT system CCP invented.
CCP is actually encouraged to actively track and destroy the illegal ISK sellers, because that's more profit for them :p
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Qwyp I thought china had their own eve server? if so ban them from this server. Let them spam out their own servers
While I am normally very much against any sort of IP ban by principle, in this case I may encourage an exception :p
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
The problem is that the illegal isk sellers often use criminal methods to get the isk, things like botting, hacking accounts and stealing your isk, all the spam on the chat channels, etc Those are the things that cause us, the players grief.
this. and they cause overproportional cpu load on the servers; like 1% of the population consume 30% of the cpu power LOL
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 31/07/2009 00:55:35
Originally by: Mia Zheng Im Chinese, therefore I be a isk seller? crap I better hide
It's a damn fact that a majority of farmers are Chinese. They have earned their reputation for it.
The keylogger spammer, is Chinese, the server they have that collects the keylogged data (202.104.237.84), is in China, the domains, are Chinese.
It's perfectly believable that, no, not all Chinese players are ISK sellers. I'm not saying all Chinese players are ISK sellers. We're just saying a majority of ISK sellers are Chinese.
I'm sure theres ISK sellers of all nationalities. But still, a majority of them are probably Chinese.
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