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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Atomos Darksun The real thing you need to worry about is meat products. You know all those growth hormones they pump into the animals, that you eat then afterwards?
u know where are many country's that dont have money to buy that hormones you should buy meat from there from time to time
I don't think it has much to do with having money to buy the hormones, the added yield pay for those easy, it's about some places not wanting roid meat.
The same reason those poor countries don't buy modern farming equipment and fertilizers? Maybe they just like living in poverty?
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:19:00 -
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The DNA of GM foods is patentable. This can create huge problems for farmers as they are forbidden from using the seeds produced by the crops they grow and are forced to to purchase the GM seeds at outrageous prices.
I suggest you all read up on an unfriendly little corporation called Monsanto.
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Glarion Garnier
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:46:00 -
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The OP is a a troll.. dont pay any atention.
Watch world accordign to Monsanto. Next this guy is going to make a thread how you should get flu shots every autumn. and how the mercury in the shots actually makes your kids smarter.
Then he's going to tell you how electric cars are bad. because the electricity has to be produced in a power plant. He will fail to tell you how you can enpwower your self by producing the electricity your self etc. And how electric cars were far more common 100 years ago. But let's call it fate .. that took care of the situation and went to gas.
I higly value spread the stupidity efforts OP. They are quite hilarious when ever I read them.
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Glarion Garnier
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald organic or non organic i really dont give a crap, i will buy whatever is cheaper when i have to but i usually just grow my own veggies
Yeah we are all limited by the ****ty enviroments that most of us live in ( BIG cities) So most of us cannot grow their own veg etc because we dont have land.
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Xrak
X Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:46:00 -
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There are so many uninformed people in this thread I find it quite amazing.
What the op is saying is essentially true, organic food is a luxury for the rich for people that to eat food that hasn't been genetically modified or had artificial pesticides and fertilizers put on it. It has the exact same nutritional value as non-organic food, and it is true that without artificial help there is no way that we could even hope to feed the world's population.
I don't buy organic food because I think it is super-awesomely better then normal food or that it is good for the environment. I buy certain organic items because I think they taste better.
Oh and to the person who said there is no regulation, there is. Both European regulations and the UK has its own.
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machyphy
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:25:00 -
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but organic food tastes so much better but meh to each his own you keep on eating your carcinogenic government mind control food.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth The DNA of GM foods is patentable. This can create huge problems for farmers as they are forbidden from using the seeds produced by the crops they grow and are forced to to purchase the GM seeds at outrageous prices.
I suggest you all read up on an unfriendly little corporation called Monsanto.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 03/08/2009 03:16:52
Originally by: Xrak and it is true that without artificial help there is no way that we could even hope to feed the world's population.
you actually believe this utter nonsense that we would need artificially enhanced food to feed the world population? research this pls. there is more then enough ressources avaible if we use them wisely. nature is not dumb. dumb is ignoring nature. wanting to dictate it. bringin things out of balance. following some imaginery thing. being driven by greed. exactly that is whats happening and preventing us from using the ressources wisely and thus poeple come to believe it is the way as it is, but it is not. it is all artificially created by man. nature is fine if we just listen.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 03/08/2009 03:47:24 only man in this age can term it as normal this utterly arrogance of standing high above nature wanting to dictate it.
one just has to look at 18th century living style of aristocracy and their beliefs in europe. one will laugh and think: man whats has been wrong with that people? psychosis? (for all that know abit history) same is still now. we are still a society mostly formed on beliefs which are empty.
luckily nature doesnt care for such nonsense.
nature is in itself a heaven. this is true.
so...
everyone knows this. why i write this down. i dunno. its always good being reminded i guess.
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Lorzion
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lorzion on 03/08/2009 04:42:41
Originally by: Glarion Garnier The OP is a a troll.. dont pay any atention.
Watch world accordign to Monsanto. Next this guy is going to make a thread how you should get flu shots every autumn. and how the mercury in the shots actually makes your kids smarter.
Then he's going to tell you how electric cars are bad. because the electricity has to be produced in a power plant. He will fail to tell you how you can enpwower your self by producing the electricity your self etc. And how electric cars were far more common 100 years ago. But let's call it fate .. that took care of the situation and went to gas.
I higly value spread the stupidity efforts OP. They are quite hilarious when ever I read them.
This Post is a troll.. Don't pay attention.
Next you're gonna start saying that immunizing kids gives them autism and that they are all bad.
Then you're gonna start saying that Nuclear Power is bad when in reality it is safe, clean, and very efficient. If people would let us build new up to date facilities the chance of an accident would be virtually nothing.
I highly value the efforts of this poster. While it was riddled with spelling mistakes, and comparing apples to oranges (OP's view on organic food and hybrids It was quite hilarious.
P.s. See what i did there?
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:51:00 -
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Fun fact: If no pesticides are used, Slash and Burn Agriculture is 100% organic No chemical fertilizers were involved So Destroy the Rain Forest! Buy organic! and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Dirty Sue
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:25:00 -
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This thread is an excellent example in just how little people know about where their food comes from, how it is grown and processed. I have had the great experience of working with and for people in the agriculture business.
Its really eye opening and not in a frightening way. Agriculture as a business and an industry simply meets the demands of the consumer as best they can like any other healthy industry. Smaller producers follow trends and niches like organic foods to remain competitive with larger producers. Everyone in this thread has an opinion, but with no facts to support them and no experience with agriculture, I wouldn't considered them informed. Its kinda sad but at the same time my involvement has left me feeling privileged to see agriculture as it really is.
The OP is really just seeing a flaw in how things are marketed, rather then informing people about the differences between products and how they are produced. They attempt to villanize the other products and mislead people mostly cause its easier then trying educate someone.
It seems that a lot of people (in this thread) confuse organic foods with better tasting foods. Really its just the difference between a bland hybrid tomato and heirloom tomato, one was breed towards disease resistance and the other for flavor. Both can be organically grown or non-organically grown. People also confuse bio-engineering with genetic-engineering, two very different things. I would suggest reading up on the subject of agriculture but finding things that don't suffer from a heavy bias can be hard.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Evthron Macyntire Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 02/08/2009 21:33:04 Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 02/08/2009 21:31:48
Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2009 18:27:37 Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2009 18:26:47 Depends on your definition of genetically engineered...
I and my family grow several plants including peppers, tomatoes and whatnot... When I get one plant that does remarkably well growing the tomato I will use that plant's seeds next year due in part to it being genetically better then the other plants(or atleast in the hope it is genetically better).
This can be considered genetically engineering the crop by weeding out the "bad seeds" and only using the good ones, not to mention organic is a problematic definition of food grown the old fashioned way as the definition of organic is a substance containing carbon.
Personally if I could afford it I would buy organic, however more often then not I just buy the normal stuff because it costs less and tastes the same.
.... But what do I know? I don't eat very many veggies myself aside from salsa.
Process is more or less the same, but still different. Using your logic, everything is a GMO. Even the wool in your sweater.
Using my logic? Look up the definition of an organic substance is a material containing carbon.
As for your other point, fair enough.... But my point was organic is not a clear cut thing, where do you draw the line? Simply genetic engineering? What about pesticides? What about other treatments to allow the plant to grow faster like cow dung?
I hate them calling it "organic" fruit/vegs due to definitions.
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Munchees on 03/08/2009 06:58:13 Some people here have said organic farmers don't use pesticide. I'm going to laugh in your face here because everyone uses pesticide. Even the "organic farmers".
Yes, organic farming is the old way of doing things. And in some cases it does taste better (I love the taste of organic milk btw). But the pre-industrial world, where everything was grown naturally (with no pesticides), famines were a common occurrence. People weren't even sure whether or not their crop would succeed. The on;y people guaranteed food on their table were the noblemen/women. And if the peasants revolted then they were screwed too.
I'm mostly saying the idea of organic food as a healthy alternative to synthetic food i stupid. They both have the same benefits. And saying there wouldn't be enough to feed America is a bit of an exaggeration. There would be enough to feed about 4 billion people. There's 6,706,993,152 people and counting alive right now. You can choose the 2.7 billion who get to die if you want a total conversion to organic food.
It doesn't safe the environment. Organic farming uses more land then synthetic farming. More land for farming = less habitat for living things that aren't being farmed.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
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annoing
Amarr Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees You can choose the 2.7 billion who get to die if you want a total conversion to organic food.
Ok, I accept this offer.
I can easily think of more than 2.7 bill to go to the pyre tyvm.
I've often thought that the only way you can save the Earth and mankind is to remove 50%+. What would be nice is a virus, a very very potent virus that kills quickly every other person. Yes it would be a lottery whether you or I caught it, but to secure the Earths future I would be willing to take part in that lottery and my family also.
Originally by: Zeba Its all the pron. Fappy people are happy people |
Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Munchees You can choose the 2.7 billion who get to die if you want a total conversion to organic food.
Ok, I accept this offer.
I can easily think of more than 2.7 bill to go to the pyre tyvm.
I've often thought that the only way you can save the Earth and mankind is to remove 50%+. What would be nice is a virus, a very very potent virus that kills quickly every other person. Yes it would be a lottery whether you or I caught it, but to secure the Earths future I would be willing to take part in that lottery and my family also.
Earth is going to be fine regardless of what humans do. Every nuke in the world detonating wouldn't kill all life. Just sentient life. The problem with humanity is they are self centered. They aren't worried about the race as a whole, just their individual nation.
Humans will go extinct in the next few thousand years if we do not migrate from Earth. Legislation to reduce spending of space programs will be the death of mankind.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Munchees on 03/08/2009 11:22:56
Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Munchees You can choose the 2.7 billion who get to die if you want a total conversion to organic food.
Ok, I accept this offer.
I can easily think of more than 2.7 bill to go to the pyre tyvm.
I've often thought that the only way you can save the Earth and mankind is to remove 50%+. What would be nice is a virus, a very very potent virus that kills quickly every other person. Yes it would be a lottery whether you or I caught it, but to secure the Earths future I would be willing to take part in that lottery and my family also.
Earth is going to be fine regardless of what humans do. Every nuke in the world detonating wouldn't kill all life. Just sentient life. The problem with humanity is they are self centered. They aren't worried about the race as a whole, just their individual nation or self.
Humans will go extinct in the next few thousand years if we do not migrate from Earth. Legislation to reduce spending of space programs will be the death of mankind.
Now back on topic. Meat and hormones. Every piece of meat naturally has hormones. The more hormones the better. Your body needs hormones. It doesn't just make hormones on its own.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
Iasius
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Iasius on 03/08/2009 11:38:28 Its rubbish that there would not be enough food to feed the world. In eastern Europe and Russia there are vast swathes of land that could be utillised for farming. And in Africa.
All food subsidies should be abolished. Then Africa and other countries could be the food basket to the world. This could really give Africa a big break.
Its BS when western politicians talk about helping poor countries when they support food subsidies for their own farmers. Which is basically protectionism. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint |
Lorzion
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Iasius Its BS when western politicians talk about helping poor countries when they support food subsidies for their own farmers. Which is basically protectionism.
Well of course they keep the interests of their own the most important thing. They are who keeps them in power.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 03/08/2009 11:57:19 Edited by: ceaon on 03/08/2009 11:51:00
Originally by: Munchees There would be enough to feed about 4 billion people. There's 6,706,993,152 people and counting alive right now. You can choose the 2.7 billion who get to die if you want a total conversion to organic food.
the actual food production is sufficient for 12 billions ppl here u some some very well known problems French should not thrown tomatoes to garbage Spanish should not thrown away cow milk Germans should not thrown away 1 day old bread edit links: http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/subnotas/1-32034-2008-04-01.html http://www.rionegro.com.ar/diario/2007/06/28/20076v28s06.php http://www.adnmundo.com/contenidos/ambiente/britanicos_comida_ma_11107.html
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: TRD 2371
you actually believe this nonsense that we would need artificially enhanced food from this corporations to feed the world population? research this pls.
If we were to all live in an agrarian lifestyle then perhaps, but the world wants to live an industrial, western lifestyle.
You know as well as I do that it takes far, far more grain to rear cattle for meat production than it does to just feed the grain to humans, so I won't bore you with the statistics.
Ultimately, we need the help of science if we want to continue a western lifestyle and make this available to more people on the planet.
Quote: nature is not dumb. dumb is ignoring nature. wanting to dictate it. bringin things out of balance. following some imaginery thing. being driven by greed.
But it's not "natural" to eat meat as much as we do. Do you think primitive hunter-gatherer societies had the same access to meat that we do?
For that matter, it's not "natural" to have central heating in your house or to cook food in a microwave either, but I bet you have both.
Was your computer produced by "natural" methods?
Nature may not be dumb, but it does it it wrong sometimes - look at all the genetic/inheritable diseases that could be cured in the future by gene therapy.
Quote: exactly that is whats happening and preventing us from using the avaible ressources wisely and after a time thus poeple come to believe it is the way as it is, that there would be a shortage, but it is not. it is all artificially created by man.
Everything in our society is artificially created by man.
The strains of crops that we grow, the animals we rear for food - none of it is natural and all of it has been selectively bred for maximum yeild over thousands of years by man.
I really don't see what is wrong with harnessing technology to provide a better world and a better life for as many people as possible.
Yes I am aware that Monsanto is evil and I can't endorse products like "Roundup Ready" crops, but that doesn't mean that all technology is bad.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Evthron Macyntire
I don't think it has much to do with having money to buy the hormones, the added yield pay for those easy, it's about some places not wanting roid meat.
The same reason those poor countries don't buy modern farming equipment and fertilizers? Maybe they just like living in poverty?
i will add something to this 2 lines you know why this ppl cant sell their products ? because are to expensive country's like Romania import chicken meat from EU (thx Eu for nothing) because have hormones and is cheaper that the actual good and expensive Romanian chicken meat
same thing happen whit cow milk if a cow give more milk the "natural fat" of this milk decrease, so a normal cow( no hormones no diet) give 20-25-30L milk per day a cow on hormones and whit special diet can give 50-60L milk per day also this make cow udder have purulence and that end in the milk, but normal farmers cant sell the milk because have to much "natural fat" for EU norms (basically because in the old EU hormones are used for so many years and when EU made the norms there was none milk whit so good quality)
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:43:00 -
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The human race has not always been able to digest milk that contains lactose. It happened across different ethnic groups between 9000 and 3000 years ago as a result of domesticating cattle.
The humans that got this mutation gave them a big edge over ethnic groups that were much later in adapting to milk.
This is a fascinating example of humans genetically engineering farm stock that gave a evolutionary bonus back. Not in the labs but in farm fields.
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Xrak
X Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: TRD 2371 Edited by: TRD 2371 on 03/08/2009 03:55:37
Originally by: Xrak and it is true that without artificial help there is no way that we could even hope to feed the world's population.
you actually believe this nonsense that we would need artificially enhanced food from this corporations to feed the world population? research this pls. there is more then enough ressources avaible if we use them wisely. nature is not dumb. dumb is ignoring nature. wanting to dictate it. bringin things out of balance. following some imaginery thing. being driven by greed.
exactly that is whats happening and preventing us from using the avaible ressources wisely and after a time thus poeple come to believe it is the way as it is, that there would be a shortage, but it is not. it is all artificially created by man. nature is perfectly fine if we just listen. all has been given to us eternally so.
hardly anyoe able to listen to this. instead they follow their imaginery cow thinking they find happiness there then they cry why wont i find it.
suffering will be there accordingly until freedom found and that is freedom with the whole nature as there is not outside of it. opening to that intelligence inside and there will be no problem with ressources rest assured.
Let's put 2+2 together and get 5!
World hunger is a problem at this time. Organic food has lower yields then conventionally grown food.
Lets grow nothing but organic food because it's 'natural', who cares if food prices all jump and world hunger increases. This would force even more people in developed countries into poverty.
Why don't you actually take 5 minutes to stop and think before spouting some hippie 'love nature' spam.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:15:00 -
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My food comes from Wal-mart.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:18:00 -
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Personally I find using the label "organic" to be a scam myself. If your going to trust some corporation to tell you the truth that industrial pesticides and so forth werent used on your food then your an idiot. At least with the main stream stuff you know to wash it ahead of time . If you want food that pesticides and so forth werent used on take a weekend or two to get a garden going. All the prep time and equipment you need may not end up saving you much but at least you know for a fact that it is indeed organic.
For apartment dwellers there is so much garden equipment tailored for your situation you really dont have an excuse. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Enakaru
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Enakaru on 03/08/2009 19:25:10 Xrak.
So you would propose sacrificing the stability nature for the sake of economics?
Where is your framework and your insight and foresight into which ramifications genetically modified foods have on the ecosystem of earth including on our bodies?
You propose playing a dangerous game in order to preserve your way of life, where you are willing to roll the dice by tampering with something you have no possible framework for understanding the ramifications of.
You may blame people for liking nature, but without the delicate stability and intricate cooperations of small aswell as large organisms in nature you wouldn't be here having this conversation.
You are right about one thing though, the reason behind world hunger in 3rd world countries in particular, IS predominately economic in nature. Therefore we should sort out the economy, and in particular those who tamper with it for their own benefits. Rather than attempting a quick and dirty solution by tampering with the very food we are so dependent upon to survive, and doing so with unforseeable consequences, and potentially disastrous ones.
"In 1996 a major GE food disaster was narrowly averted when Nebraska researchers learned that a Brazil nut gene spliced into soybeans could induce potentially fatal allergies in people sensitive to Brazil nuts."
"A 1999 study by Dr. Marc Lappe published in the Journal of Medicinal Food found that concentrations of beneficial phytoestrogen compounds thought to protect against heart disease and cancer were lower in genetically modified soybeans than in traditional strains. These and other studies, including Dr. Pusztai's, indicate that genetically engineering food will likely result in foods lower in quality and nutrition. For example the milk from cows injected with rBGH contains higher levels of pus, bacteria, and fat."
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these are just two examples of the game of dice you play when you genetically modify food.
Because you see, sometimes when you try to roll 2 and 2, it ends up as 5, and when it does, it's hard to undo.
The problems in this world is caused by really bad leadership, selfish market speculators, power struggles between ruthless corporations, leading to poor infrastructure, distribution of resources, and where there are 4 billion people in underdeveloped countries starving.
Those in control of energy ressources and financial wealth are more concerned with playing their monopoly game than they are about beneficial technological progress, and instead make quick and dirty fixes like genetically modified food in order for them to keep playing their monopoly game and increase their profits, without having to actually change their ways. These monopoly men are when push comes to shove the primary ones responsible for the instability of the 3rd world and underdeveloped countries, by "enabling" them in driving their economies down so that their infrastructure, agriculture, distribution, trade and industry deteriorate. Whereafter their natural ressources are later plundered and their citizens used as cheap labour. Reducing them to tribal societies where their leaders then often become military dictators who fight their way to power and then horde everything for themselves.
There is no shortage of food except the artificially created one due to the aforementioned, just really bad management, production and distribution thereof. Let's try to fix the real issues for once, because yes people are starving. But untill the real issues are resolved they will keep starving, genetically modified food won't help their economy or their infrastructure, or their distribution and production or trade when they are artificially being pushed back continually into a state of subservience to shortsighted and selfish interests of corporate leaders and/or leaders of other nations?
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Enakaru
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Enakaru on 03/08/2009 20:08:26 There is no shortage of food except the artificially created one due to the aforementioned, just really bad management, production and distribution thereof.
Let's try to fix the real issues for once, because yes people are starving. But untill the real issues are resolved they will keep starving, genetically modified food won't help their economy or their infrastructure, or their distribution and production or trade when they are artificially being pushed back continually into a state of subservience to shortsighted and selfish interests of corporate leaders and/or leaders of other nations?
And as a further cruel joke the corporations then purport to "fix" problems with using 3rd world countries as testbeds for genetically modified foods and reap huge profits of of that aswell whilst ignoring the consequences of it.
Monsanto has quite a rep for their stabacle.. just google Monsanto scandals to find out why genetically modified food could be in much better hands. And they are basically THE GM company out there. GM foods are "sold" to the public as being healthier and better in every way, but nothing could be farther from the truth.
GMO is a shortsighted experimental scientific experiment fueled for the most part by economic greed. Not the best of combinations one could wish for.
Not to mention that it is an indirect genetic modification of the human body since what we put in our gob has an effect on the stability and functionality of our bodies, and who knows what it will or will not do to future generations?
I prefer my food natural thank you very much, and in my oppinion, nature ain't half as useless and poorly made as some say it is. In whichever way it came to be, it ain't exactly the result of a half arsed effort.
Monsanto purports to know exactly what they're doing? my god man they don't even know what half the stuff they're messing with really is or does. Do us all a favour and experiment on yourselves instead of using the world as your guinneapig, atleast then a potential disaster can be somewhat contained.
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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Munchees on 03/08/2009 20:17:52 @ Enakaru
If the human race does not develop technology rapidly then they will go extinct. The only reason we are at the top of the food chain is because of technology at the expense of nature. Every major leap in technology has been at natures expense. If we didn't have this ability we would have gone extinct before the rise of civilization. Now we will go extinct if we do not colonize space. This is survival of the fittest.
I'm not the only person who said a total conversion to organic food could only feed about 4 billion people. Norman Borlaug is. And he is credited as the founder of the green revolution. The 12 billion people we can feed with the food supply output? Most of that food supply is genetically modified.
If we went back to the pre-industrial way of agriculture chances are you won't have food on your table every day. That is why people in Africa are starving. They don't have the tools we have in order to farm. They deserve these tools.
Eating organic food is a personal choice. I'm just saying that the idea that they are healthier for you is ******ed, they are just as healthy for you as genetically modified food. Most organic food is shelled out by corporations, so don't be surprised if it isn't actually organic and that's just a label they use to attract the "I am holier than thou" crowd.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Why is it every time I read somebody call all Americans stupid I hear it in a British accent and think of this |
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