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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 03/08/2009 17:41:12 No offense, but why the **** did it take 6 years for this stunningly obvious change to take place? The current application system should never have made it out of beta. I've NEVER seen an mmo where you have to physically go to a location to join a corp/guild/clan/whatever.
I'm sorry, but no props for this. This should have been changed in beta.
It's good to see the change being made, but it's not something you guys should have been singing to the stars about. This is a change you should have snuck into a patch, with out doing a patch note for it. Then when folks exclaim about it you could have appologised for not putting it in 6 years ago.
Next week is someone going to have the epiphany that being able to change to a different font, and having a few dozen to choose from would be cool. AGAIN. That would be a glaringly obvious change that should have been done in beta.
sigh.. least yer trying.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:00:00 -
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Yeah, I don't see this feature being abused at all.
Obviously CCP must have completely solved the problem of ISK Spamming in corp applications. Now, if they could only do the same in local. á ----------------------------------------- "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Banzai Boyz
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 03/08/2009 17:41:12 I've NEVER seen an mmo where you have to physically go to a location to join a corp/guild/clan/whatever.
IIRC you had in Ultima Online.
And it is the only mmo worth mentioning at these forums ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:23:00 -
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Actually I think this is a bad change.
What is/was wrong with at least a TINY LITTLE BIT of EFFORT to join a corp??
If someone isn't even willing to do a couple of jumps to join a corp, then certainly he is not that dedicated to the corp. Actually one can question his motivation to join that corp at all.
This has nothing to do with developing a good interface. It has all to do with breaking immersion and taking away potential.
What if a corp WANTS to have the applications move to low sec to reach the office as a sort of test? If they survive, they are worthy to join...
All impossible now.
Bad change.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout newb corp
Just an idea:
Maybe newbies should see some kind of notation, to make an idea, just to know where they are putting their pods.
On corp's descriptions, something like :
On five stars: PvP *** Industry * PvE * ---- On five stars: Empire * Low-sec *** 0.0 *
And so on. Updated by vote. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie What is/was wrong with at least a TINY LITTLE BIT of EFFORT to join a corp??
Ç/$ from newbies. They just don't know the game, EvE is harsh enough for them (for exemple, they lost their full fitted in best named fregate while travelling, it's all a drama).
Originally by: Gnulpie
Bad change.
It could be good to mention from where the application has been made. If the new applicant is near, it would show his motivation. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Gnulpie What is/was wrong with at least a TINY LITTLE BIT of EFFORT to join a corp??
€/$ from newbies. They just don't know the game, EvE is harsh enough for them (for exemple, they lost their full fitted in best named fregate while travelling, it's all a drama).
Originally by: Gnulpie
Bad change.
It could be good to mention from where the application has been made. If the new applicant is near, it would show his motivation.
Look, if some new player hears about glorious 0.0 and all the great pvp and exciting fleet fights and if that new player wants to join a 0.0 corp and if that corp then gives the player THE QUEST to go to a system in 0.0 where they have an office to apply at, then I think this is just a wonderful example of player generated content.
Why destroying that?
Let each corp decide if they want to accept applications from everywhere or just from one of their offices.
I think with that solution everyone would be happy.
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 03/08/2009 19:36:47 I think this is going to lead to a lot of backlash once implemented. Corps will now receive all sorts of application spam because it will be just that easy.
I see bots in Jita just spamming everyong in local with applications filled with isk selling text.
It takes all the effort out of the current application process, and will result in a lot more grief for HR directors of corps.
I will agree with what some have suggested, that it should be an optional feature.
---edit added last sentence --
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:30:00 -
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Quote: two-week sprint developement process........... 1 button
GET OUT. Really????? Your team of people (multiple) was able to add a button within 2 weeks? Well please, take another 2 weeks and figure out a check box that allows you to disable said button. Otherwise, it will get trolled, you'll have people creating bots to start trials just to mass apply to corps so CEOs wake up and have 10,000 applications in their inbox.
But thanks for the button.... Most of us complained about no button, but inside, for all of us, it was always a rush to go 30 jumps into 0.0 for the first time, to apply for our corporations. Don't take that away!!! -----------
Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0... |
Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:14:00 -
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It would also be nice if players could click a button or link to join the corporation's public chat channel. That'd help them to get to know the corp easier. Two ways of doing this would be:
1. Make it possible to auto-link to a chat channel, so the CEO could put a link in the corp description.
2. Automatically create a public channel for each corporation. The name of it could be the corp's ticker, as these are unique. Make the ticker in the corp info clickable.
= the GOP is recruiting = |
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:34:00 -
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I don't like this change. I fear that it will result in new pilots spamming corporations with membership applications.
The idea solution would be to require a applicant to contact the corporate he wants to join, either via EVEmail or an in-game conversation, or some out-of-game communication method, and then if the corporation likes what it hears, it invites him to join.
Application shouldn't be possible. It should be invitation-based only.
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude (CBWA) |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Just an idea:
Maybe newbies should see some kind of notation, to make an idea, just to know where they are putting their pods.
On corp's descriptions, something like :
On five stars: PvP *** Industry * PvE * ---- On five stars: Empire * Low-sec *** 0.0 *
And so on. Updated by vote.
I like this a lot.
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude (CBWA) |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
1. Make it possible to auto-link to a chat channel, so the CEO could put a link in the corp description.
2. Automatically create a public channel for each corporation. The name of it could be the corp's ticker, as these are unique. Make the ticker in the corp info clickable.
1. Yes please. Sorely needed.
2. Yes please.
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude (CBWA) |
Blackberrie
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:58:00 -
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It is good that this matter is being looked at. As it has been stated in the conversation earlier there is a lot more that can be done. I suppose this is a start. One thing that comes to mind that; there is already a contract system in game. After all corporation membership is kind of contract and it should be working on both ways. A player cold apply to corp and corporation should be able to offer a job to a player(s) (headhunting).
Writing a dev blog on one button can be ok, if it gets us brainstorming about further changes about the matter.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:21:00 -
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As far as HOW you can make it easier for new players to find corporations, steal some ideas from all them dating sites out there on the internet, and let CEOs define criteria for their corps that newbies can search for.
I mean, seriously, if I have a corporation that is about PVP, Piracy, lowsec-only, looking to recruit newbies OR characters with up to 5M SP only, that will NOT accept miners, and that will provide training, why can I only put this information in the (text-only, not even searchable) description field?
Why can't a newbie open up a screen with checkboxes, and say "Find me a corp that has:
PVP - check Piracy - check recruits newbies - check provides training - check"
then click Search, and get a list?
Why can E-harmony "match people based on 29 personalized criteria" and you guys can't match anybody based on even 1 criterion?
It seems like it would be the simplest database search.
Implement the criteria, let CEO's edit their corps to fill in all the info, and give newbies a "search for a corp" screen. Voila.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:18:00 -
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Blogged
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Gnulpie What is/was wrong with at least a TINY LITTLE BIT of EFFORT to join a corp??
Ç/$ from newbies. They just don't know the game, EvE is harsh enough for them (for exemple, they lost their full fitted in best named fregate while travelling, it's all a drama).
Originally by: Gnulpie
Bad change.
It could be good to mention from where the application has been made. If the new applicant is near, it would show his motivation.
Look, if some new player hears about glorious 0.0 and all the great pvp and exciting fleet fights and if that new player wants to join a 0.0 corp and if that corp then gives the player THE QUEST to go to a system in 0.0 where they have an office to apply at, then I think this is just a wonderful example of player generated content.
Why destroying that?
Let each corp decide if they want to accept applications from everywhere or just from one of their offices.
I think with that solution everyone would be happy.
There is still the quest to go to 0.0 anyway. He's a newbie, he doesn't have clone jumps. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Baas PVP - check Piracy - check recruits newbies - check provides training - check"
Good idea, I'd add a "main language" button. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Raul Corante
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Raul Corante on 04/08/2009 00:55:57
Originally by: Memphis Baas As far as HOW you can make it easier for new players to find corporations, steal some ideas from all them dating sites out there on the internet, and let CEOs define criteria for their corps that newbies can search for.
I mean, seriously, if I have a corporation that is about PVP, Piracy, lowsec-only, looking to recruit newbies OR characters with up to 5M SP only, that will NOT accept miners, and that will provide training, why can I only put this information in the (text-only, not even searchable) description field?
Why can't a newbie open up a screen with checkboxes, and say "Find me a corp that has:
PVP - check Piracy - check recruits newbies - check provides training - check"
then click Search, and get a list?
Why can E-harmony "match people based on 29 personalized criteria" and you guys can't match anybody based on even 1 criterion?
It seems like it would be the simplest database search.
Implement the criteria, let CEO's edit their corps to fill in all the info, and give newbies a "search for a corp" screen. Voila.
...huh. You mean like something like this?
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Blogged
confirming blinky is now a keylogging spammer
:P
seriously, I couldnt agree with your blog anymore. --
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neoe77
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:49:00 -
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why you donnt add it earlier, and why i have to fly long to do other things like complete a mission. --------- check path using eve-path-find |
Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:09:00 -
[52]
you do know that people are going to try to join the CCP corp that's in the game. right?
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Lusulpher
Dirkistan Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:29:00 -
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"Okay, he was making fun of me for still being in a newb corp. Anyway, he invites me out to join his, only the office is halfway across New Eden in lowsec space."
A ground-up approach for patching...I like. But have you seen the Pandora's box of interface fixes(that will make your game leet as hell), you have unleashed upon your selves?
Hell, CCP doesn't need project ideas anymore just tons of coders and bughunters. I really want to ride my planetary vehicle BEFORE 2012.
But, next is the Lowsec boost. Please.
Me thinks you might need more Devs on the UI team...
I am getting C.T. from rightclicking(wading into pools of drop-down boxes). And my gel mousepad only slows it's progress. 7 |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.04 03:53:00 -
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Please Please Please Please take that Evil Button out of the corp info view.
Seriously, I don't need another dangerous button showing up every time I check out some corp's info. And that kind of button might make newbies think that joining a corp is just a matter of clicking a button. It isn't.
You're supposed to _talk_ to someone before even applying, no?
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2009.08.04 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Memphis Baas on 04/08/2009 04:11:53
Originally by: Raul Corante ...huh. You mean like something like this?
Oh, they did that already, huh? Cool! Nevermind me, disregard my rant above, and I apologize.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.08.04 04:23:00 -
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This is not the button we where looking for.
Really!
There *is* nothing wrong with having to fly through half of Eden to join a corp. What's the point of joining a corp that lives in Amarr space while the just joined up dude stays in minnie space? Pretty pointless not to be there with your corp mates. If you join a corp you better move there anyway.
Yes, yes, yes, for the noob it was a tiny bit confusing. But really that is all part of EVE. A minimal decent corp just talks the noob through the necessary steps.
STOP NUMBING YOUR GAME DOWN! For pete's sake.
Also, yes, we can. This ***will*** be abused.
Not supported.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.04 04:28:00 -
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I hope the corporation facelift includes a redo of all the permissions and such. There's so much there, but yet it's not very secure (for example, giving division access applies across ALL hangers, POS or not). There's tons and tons of rights and titles...why not make it simpler?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.08.04 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 04/08/2009 04:38:26
Originally by: CCP Fallout This is a true story. One day CCP Zyg and I were chatting. Okay, he was making fun of me for still being in a newb corp. Anyway, he invites me out to join his, only the office is halfway across New Eden in lowsec space. After what seemed like forever, the pathetic remnants of my ship made it into the station, and I was able to apply to the corp.
I have only one thing to say to that. Never join a corp that Zyg is in.
Oh, and CCP Murinae, your blog makes you my hero!
Good blog for a very much needed button!
Now, if you guys could figure out in this "new player experience" race spree you are on, on how to make newbies and other PvE players welcome in corporations in deep space! Then maybe some of the empire ppl will join theem, and, maybe in time, develope a liking to pvp combat - if slowly! because if they never get their feet wet, they wont jump into the water either! And no, unfornaely, the factional warfare did not help much really I feel.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Memphis Baas PVP - check Piracy - check recruits newbies - check provides training - check"
Good idea, I'd add a "main language" button.
Good idea, I would also add a "main timezone".
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Coupe Soleil
Hitchhikers Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
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2. Automatically create a public channel for each corporation. The name of it could be the corp's ticker, as these are unique. Make the ticker in the corp info clickable.
The consequence of that is that you cannot use a corp ticker if a channel already exists with that name. If I've been using channel Coupe for years I don't want that being taken over by a corp who decided to use the ticker Coupe. Besides that it's easy not to use it. If a corp doesn't want to use a public channel they'll just close the tab and never look at it again. I think if a corp wants a public channel for recruitment they'll create it and advertise it. So this is fine the way it is.
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