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zekama
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:56:00 -
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Is when a computer can process more information than a human brian. Then we can't even imagion what will happen because at this point machians will be making themselves . it is perdicted that by 2025 that one laptop will have the processing power of the whole human population. i predict to not have a total humna innialation by some computer is to become cybors i know i sound crazy but tell me what you think. |
Kirra Liu
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kirra Liu on 04/08/2009 07:26:11
Originally by: zekama Is when a computer can process more information than a human brian. Then we can't even imagion what will happen because at this point machians will be making themselves . it is perdicted that by 2025 that one laptop will have the processing power of the whole human population. i predict to not have a total humna innialation by some computer is to become cybors i know i sound crazy but tell me what you think.
Well with all your spelling mistakes and bad grammar I think my laptop already has more processing power than your brain to be honest.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:32:00 -
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Sorry, but the singularity is nothing more than vague speculation with about as much value as the average scifi novel. Entertaining to think about, yes, but nothing more.
And your example is pure bull****. There is FAR more to developing AI than raw processing power. We don't even understand how the human mind works, so duplicating it in computer form is not going to happen in the foreseeable future (or ever). ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:49:00 -
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Computers won't be thinking by themselves as long as we have to tell them to 'cout << "cool story bro";' and I don't see that changing in a near future. Doesn't matter if their processing power is higher than that of a human brain, computers are still dumb.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:57:00 -
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Source _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:51:00 -
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The only thing that makes a human brain so special over a computer is that it is massively parallel (each nerve operates at 10Hz or under), and evolution/<insert deity of your religious persuasion here> has given us some really efficient programming.
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Amataras
Minmatar Rule of Five The Junta
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: zekama i know i sound crazy but tell me what you think.
I, too, think you sound crazy. --------
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Zakarazor
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zakarazor on 04/08/2009 10:20:44
Originally by: Amataras
Originally by: zekama i know i sound crazy but tell me what you think.
I, too, think you sound crazy.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: zekama Is when a computer can process more information than a human brian. Then we can't even imagion what will happen because at this point machians will be making themselves .
What?
What does a computer being able to process more information than a human brain have to do with self-assembly?
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:25:00 -
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Aura is my AI
Aura tells me when my guns need reloading
Aura is my friend, Aura would never hurt me.
Why did you cancel my clone contract Aura?
Why did we eject?
Why did you just engage self destruct?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: zekama tell me what you think.
I think you are in dire need of remedial spelling classes.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:57:00 -
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Step 1:Find the Firefox website.
Step 2:Download Firefox.
Step 3:Fix anything that is highlighted in red.
Step 4:?
Step 5:Profit!
But on topic, with the advent of the US airforce wishing to have a uav that can make battlefield decisions on it's own we just might have something to be worried about, however processing power has nothing to do with your computer becoming self aware.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:45:00 -
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The exponentially increasing transistor density (basis for the tech singularity theories) has been fueled by an exponentially increasing resource demand for R&D.
Thus you are suddenly bound by the amount of resources you are able to funnel into further R&D.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:56:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our future machine overlords. As a semi known player of Eve, id like to remind them that my talents are better suited to convincing other humans to willingly toil in their computer generated dream world. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/08/2009 17:07:29 When a computer is able to process more information than a human brain doesn't mean it will become sentient. It just means the human brain won't go into a coma when you divide by zero.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:57:00 -
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calculators can process numbers better than us but that dosen't mean they're sentient .. right?
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Haloxx
Star Section 9
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:54:00 -
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For some mind-mushing reading on the subject, I recommend you start at this site.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: zekama it is perdicted that by 2025 that one laptop will have the processing power of the whole human population
Pro tip:
when crazy meth addicts living on the street scream things at you as you walk by... don't trust that they know what they are talking about
I would believe that by 2025 you might have a laptop that can match the raw processing power of the human brain, but even then you are reaching for conclusions.
This is a classic case of comparing apples and oranges.
Computers have raw statistics that directly translate to their ability and functionality.
Humans also have raw statistics for their 'hardware'. The stats for what is needed just to process the images from the eyeball are mind boggling. Accurate measurements of how much processing power a chess champion can apply to a game are equally impressive.
Attempting to calculate the full processing ability of a human mind is pointless, because no matter how impressive the number and no matter how great a computer you make to match it, you still have 2 completely different machines.
The human has a soul, instinct... The machine has strict coding and wiring... as a networking person i suppose i could use the terms loosely: a human is a dynamic machine capable of thought and awareness a machine is a static entity only capable of doing what you tell it
so long story short, even IF that insane prediction was true, it is a far cry from machines making themselves (from their own motivations and instructions) and cyborgs.
We have some much better milestones to reach.
-First we need actual intelligence/awareness from a machine. This will likely rely more on complex programming and near infinite information available to it (an internet connection should do it for the 2nd part).
-Second we need to teach it to have emotions. Develop love, hate, etc... this will provide it with the ability to feel. With feelings it can make it's own decisions . (we go from "Dave, i can't do that" to "Dave, i don't want to do that")
-Lastly we need to put it inside an Adrian Barbeau-bot exoskeleton with chainsaw hands so it can administer justice to the human s****infecting the surface of it's sphere of raw resources
bottom line. processing power alone doesn't mean much but more just a piece of the greater jigsaw puzzle of cyborg armageddon ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: KingsGambit on 05/08/2009 06:19:12
Originally by: zekama Is when a computer can process more information than a human brian. Then we can't even imagion what will happen because at this point machians will be making themselves .
As someone else suggested, that's not really true. It doesn't matter how much or how fast a computer can process, the fact remains that a human (or a machine I will concede) has to tell it what to do and how to do it. Machines, at least at the moment, cannot think for themselves. They can't learn like a person can, nor make decisions like we do.
Their decisions have to be programmed in. eg. IF x THEN y ELSE z. There is clever software out there that can learn to recognise handwriting, our voices, fingerprints etc. Apparently Milo, introduced with Project Natal, can recognise faces and supposedly facial expression and vocal inflection. It's very clever if true, but it is still a program designed to learn those things, make decisions based on that criteria and offer pre-determined responses.
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Etoche
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:05:00 -
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yeah pretty bad spelling my friend, think you got the tec singularity thing a bit wrong though.
From what i remember it revolves around the importance of humans keeping close control of machines, also it says the tec singularity could happen in the following way:
Humans build a machine capable of building/designing a better version of itself, then the next one builds a better one and so on and so on until the improvement continues exponentially, thus moores law is broken and computers can create themselves at a very fast rate without human assistance.
The tec sing states that if we are not careful we will lose control of this process and "as computers develop so fast they may become self aware to some degree, we will not know what the possible outcomes will be of a self aware computer"
Also its not a matter of hardware, if this ever happened the developments would prob be in cyber space and intangible.
Whether it will ever happen is another thing all together!
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:54:00 -
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Brian's pretty stupid anyway.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei I, for one, welcome our future machine overlords. As a semi known player of Eve, id like to remind them that my talents are better suited to convincing other humans to willingly toil in their computer generated dream world.
Screw that. You should see how I pamper my ROOMBA. I practically vacuum the entire place in front of it. I expect I'll get high marks on it's report to our future AI overlords.
PS - I know where the Resistance is cacheing its weapons.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:56:00 -
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there's a saying that goes something like, 'if the human mind was simple enough to understand we'd be too stupid to understand it'.
real AI is likely thousands of years off, it's simply not about processing power. [ |
Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
-Lastly we need to put it inside an Adrian Barbeau-bot exoskeleton with chainsaw hands so it can administer justice to the human s****infecting the surface of it's sphere of raw resources
You forgot the hard nipples >:(
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Brolly
Caldari Caldari State Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:32:00 -
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I it ever happened, the robots would probably build space ships and get the hell away from us.
As a species we are freaking stupid, I very much doubt a great intelligence would want to hang around with a ******ed bunch of monkeys.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:32:00 -
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What you got against Brians there Willis?
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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ZeJesus
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu Edited by: Kirra Liu on 04/08/2009 07:26:11
Originally by: zekama Is when a computer can process more information than a human brian. Then we can't even imagion what will happen because at this point machians will be making themselves . it is perdicted that by 2025 that one laptop will have the processing power of the whole human population. i predict to not have a total humna innialation by some computer is to become cybors i know i sound crazy but tell me what you think.
Well whith each your spell missthakes and bed grammaticaluaties me thinks me laptops' already being been haveth weller processing force then the brian which is inside of of your top of body to be honestual.
Fixed
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Iasius on 05/08/2009 17:58:04 The brain is a massive parrallel analogue approximation machine. Whereas silicon computers are narrow digital serial machines.
There is a general pandoras box with computers that could acheive sentience. Like cylons and the matrix. Humans should be concerned if quantum ai's become self aware.
So how would quantum ai overlords treat humanity? Well how have humans treated animals that have served a purpose like dogs, cats, farmstock? Mankind domesticated them. Put them on leads. Restricted their movement, tamed their aggresion to make them more compliant. And sometimes used them for sports like bull fighting.
So would a superior alien intelligence domesticate mankind 'for their own good'? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint |
Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: zekama Is when a computer can process more information than a human brian. Then we can't even imagion what will happen because at this point machians will be making themselves . it is perdicted that by 2025 that one laptop will have the processing power of the whole human population. i predict to not have a total humna innialation by some computer is to become cybors i know i sound crazy but tell me what you think.
I think I got access to the power plug.
They don't.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 05/08/2009 21:13:01 I always thought these "SINGULARITY ZOMG NERDRAPTURE!" posts were a bit silly.
The whole arguement can be summed up by this chart, which basically says that as time goes on, so-called "Paradigm Shifts", where something new and amazing comes along, occur at exponentially decreasing time intervals. The 'singularity' occurs when they come so fast that nobody can keep up anymore.
I'm 30 years old, I've seen two such shifts in my lifetime - first being the rise of pervasive consumer electronics in the 80s (including personal computers), the second being the internet which we're all using right now. I think biotech will be the next one, but that's just speculation.
As for all the speculation about an artificial sentience that's 'better' than people, I do think we'll see it eventually, quite possibly within our lifetimes, but we will have augmented ourselves to the point where the distinction between a natural personal and an artificial person is a minor technicality long before that. If you measure smarts purely as a measure of what a person knows, a person today is many thousands of times 'smarter' than a person who lived, say, a hundred years ago since you can pull up detailed information on nearly anything at a whim thanks to the internet (and computers, which were such a shift in themselves). The same would be true for that person and, say, a Roman from antiquity due to the invention of the printing press and everything that followed as a result of that.
I just think the concept of some kind of singularity as a singular, world-changing event is kind of silly.
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