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R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:06:00 -
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Donedy wrote:R0ot wrote:training corps Yeah thats it! Thats what I mean! And you still maintain that its not a B team? GOD!
No you'll find if you look at last years tournament you'll find the actual B team which wasn't entered this year m888888888.
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Donedy
Snuff Box
28
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:07:00 -
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Yeah but last year there wasnt this rule about A, B ,C teams, M8888.
And thats the point here. |
R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:18:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Yeah but last year there wasnt this rule about A, B ,C teams, M8888.
And thats the point here.
Are you dumb or do you just skip over the lines in posts that actually give you an answer to your never ending circle jerk like arguement. PL has no B team entered this year per the rules, sniggwaffe is not a B team, they've been excluded for having "links" to PL which is unfortunate.
Hydra/Outbreak are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now. Clear evidence is last years tournament final. So this year they ask a GM is it ok that they practice together. Sure nothing wrong with that. Then they go and dump themselves fully committed into a wormhole together in the same corp (really doesn't matter if it was the TEST server or Tranquillity since anyone worth their salt uses the TEST server). The cries of "oh my we only merged into the same corp on the TEST server for logistics purposes" is the dumbest thing I've ever seen said on these forums since the CAOD of old (Xelas ftw).
Saying all this they should be allowed to enter either Hydra or Outbreak in the tournament or at this stage participate in the last bid slot but I am almost certain if this were to happen that they'd again attempt to gain the morale high ground (like Holland tries to claim the high ground during the film 2012) and reject the offer citing "we didn't want to play anyway".
They skirted the line and took a **** on it on the way past they deserve what they got, they've just provided so many tears since this has happened that any redemption is now impossible. Good luck Hydra / Outbreak we'll see you log in next year for AT XI and hopefully you won't try and B team it again.
In before CAOD forum drama of Hydra / Outbreak internal strife thus splitting the membership well in advance of the Alliance tournament to try and enter a covert B team. (Quote this because it's going to happen) |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
82
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:32:00 -
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R0ot wrote:Hydra/Outbreak are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now.
I am sure this is news to members of both Alliances. "We discussed forming 1 (ONE) corporation to make these training in wormholes possible; if we wouldnt merge, 4th would have been forced to spend days and days to setup their own pos, to do this." 2 separate teams considered doing the same thing HYDRA & Outbreak did - how can you justify banning 2 teams who thought it was within the rules? |
Donedy
Snuff Box
28
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:32:00 -
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Well i think that "B team" should have been defined.
Because there seem to be much people thinking that sniggwaffe is PL B team.
And honestly, i want to believe you when you say "nono, we are two different teams".
But why wouldnt I believe Hydra/Outbreak?
Thats just a ******* mess.
Do you see the point?
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michael boltonIII
175
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:51:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team.
The important difference between waffle/PL and hydrabreak is that Waffle and PL actually don't practice together and know nothing about each other's teams. Waffle got pulled out because they are functionally the ******** wing of PL, and a vassal alliance. They'd probably do the same thing if DAWWW or -A- associates tried to join.
Hydra and Outbreak are two alliances who got together to field two teams using a single set of setups, practice, and theorycrafting. They aren't an A and B team, to any outside observer, they are the same team, only differentiated by the name of their alliance and the pilots who fly the setups. The most important part of the alliance tournament is your setups, and being able to keep those setups a secret, pilot skill is only super important when the setups are such that it's a relatively even fight. Hydra and Outbreak have literally no way to keep secrets from each other, because they are all in the same corp, in the same wormhole, pulling ships out of the same damn POS. They had a rule designed specifically to prevent them from doing what they did last year, and the decided that a mail from a GM meant that they could do nearly exactly the same thing they did last year with the exception of trying to keep Garmon's name away from outbreak.
If I did something that pissed people off so bad that they made a law to stop me from doing it again, and I preceded to e-mail the cops asking them if I could do it again, got no answer, and then decided that since a cop from another state said it was fine that it must be cool to do it; then I have absolutely no right to ***** when I get locked up. |
Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
72
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:58:00 -
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Donedy wrote:According to CCP rules, PL should be banned this year.
They are team A for Sniggwaffe eh.
Nah. CCP acknowledged that Waffles and PL are entirely separate in their tournament efforts, and are certainly not working together as a single entity. However, due to the fact that many Waffles leave alts in YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT after graduating to Sniggerdly, it's a little difficult to police whether or not there are any Waffle graduates flying for both teams (which afaik, there are none)
Essentially, their efforts are separate, but people tend to have characters in both alliances, so it'd be iffy to let both in. An understandable decision, of course. |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
68
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:00:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Well i think that "B team" should have been defined. Because I want to believe you when you say "nono, we are two different teams". But why wouldnt I believe Hydra/Outbreak? Thats just a ******* mess. Do you see the point?
Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team.
EDIT :
Oh and i forget, Pandemic Legion/Sniggwaffe are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now.
You see? Same thing mate.
**** it, i should have called this topic "KICK PL"!
Hey I'll handle this guy for you, CCP Sreegs.
hey Donedy, you're stupid lololololol |
Donedy
Snuff Box
28
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:02:00 -
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"Guys Im blobbed by PL, need back up." |
ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
32
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:21:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:Donedy wrote:Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team. The important difference between waffle/PL and hydrabreak is that Waffle and PL actually don't practice together and know nothing about each other's teams. Waffle got pulled out because they are functionally the ******** wing of PL, and a vassal alliance. They'd probably do the same thing if DAWWW or -A- associates tried to join. Hydra and Outbreak are two alliances who got together to field two teams using a single set of setups, practice, and theorycrafting. They aren't an A and B team, to any outside observer, they are the same team, only differentiated by the name of their alliance and the pilots who fly the setups. The most important part of the alliance tournament is your setups, and being able to keep those setups a secret, pilot skill is only super important when the setups are such that it's a relatively even fight. Hydra and Outbreak have literally no way to keep secrets from each other, because they are all in the same corp, in the same wormhole, pulling ships out of the same damn POS. They had a rule designed specifically to prevent them from doing what they did last year, and the decided that a mail from a GM meant that they could do nearly exactly the same thing they did last year with the exception of trying to keep Garmon's name away from outbreak. If I did something that pissed people off so bad that they made a law to stop me from doing it again, and I preceded to e-mail the cops asking them if I could do it again, got no answer, and then decided that since a cop from another state said it was fine that it must be cool to do it; then I have absolutely no right to ***** when I get locked up.
Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an ochestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.
It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.
It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.
We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.
The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.
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Ausf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:23:00 -
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Michael Bolton, I can't believe a man of your intelligence believes for one second that just because an alliance doesn't practice together on SISI that they are not in cahoots with other friendlies, regarding tactics setups etc. WhatGÇÖs the problem if any alliance wants to cough up the isk and join the AT.? Let big alliances field 3,4,5 teams if they want as long as they pay their money and beat whatGÇÖs put in front of them, then they deserve to be where they get. This type of sh*t goes on in the real world. Look at F1, they pick and choose which driver wins a race it's part of an overall plan. I understand you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you, so please get off the CCP fence and do whatGÇÖs right by admitting ATX will be a lot worse off without the 3 teams banned. Yes last yearGÇÖs final was a sham, but hey it's all in the past now. Again as mentioned earlier, no eye lids would have been battered if only one of them got to the final. They got there on their own merits, hard work and skill by beating what was put in front of them on the day. |
michael boltonIII
180
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:48:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.
It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.
It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.
We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.
The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.
Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? If a high end team can pick up any other team and share with them all of their setups, theorycraft, and spy information while working together in a single wormhole and single corp and promising to lose to the parent team if they should meet, then there is absolutely no way to differentiate that from what you are doing aside from just taking your word for it.
Hell, people would complain if PL or Darkside picked up a random high sec alliance with it's own history and pilots and then stuck them in a PL corp on sisi and gave them all of their info and jet canned them the plex to buy an auction slot. That alliance would suddenly be way more dangerous than their own skill warranted. There is no way to tell the difference between that scenario and what you guys were doing.
Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing. Plenty of people would have practiced against you, you both could have had a different alliance scrimmage with you each week. You guys had a good chance to do well this year as separate teams, but even with CCP messing up by not answering your mails, you guys essentially came up with a plan that couldn't have made you look more like the same team. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 21:02:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote: Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.
It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.
It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.
We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.
The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.
A witch hunt? I suppose you are the victims here...
The real victims are the teams like the PL farm team and RvB who ran into the rules put into place to combat your "brand" of fair play.
Edit: Oh btw thank you for losing your Rook last year. Your name is on the fit in my EFT. |
ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
34
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Posted - 2012.05.26 21:08:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:ScoRpS wrote:Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.
It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.
It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.
We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.
The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude. Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? If a high end team can pick up any other team and share with them all of their setups, theorycraft, and spy information while working together in a single wormhole and single corp and promising to lose to the parent team if they should meet, then there is absolutely no way to differentiate that from what you are doing aside from just taking your word for it. Hell, people would complain if PL or Darkside picked up a random high sec alliance with it's own history and pilots and then stuck them in a PL corp on sisi and gave them all of their info and jet canned them the plex to buy an auction slot. That alliance would suddenly be way more dangerous than their own skill warranted. There is no way to tell the difference between that scenario and what you guys were doing. Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing. Plenty of people would have practiced against you, you both could have had a different alliance scrimmage with you each week. You guys had a good chance to do well this year as separate teams, but even with CCP messing up by not answering your mails, you guys essentially came up with a plan that couldn't have made you look more like the same team.
Again a simple word would have sufficed. But its clear to most that we were dealt with a harshness that was unjust and also inconsistant across the board.
I do understand the motivation but we are not strangers, we are part of a greater community and not unapproachable. Being treated in the manner in which we were and so openly is alienating and sets a bad precident for the management of this game. |
Officer Nyota Uhura
247
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Posted - 2012.05.26 22:02:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? ... Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing. Again a simple word would have sufficed. But its clear to most that we were dealt with a harshness that was unjust and also inconsistant across the board. I do understand the motivation but we are not strangers, we are part of a greater community and not unapproachable. Being treated in the manner in which we were and so openly is alienating and sets a bad precident for the management of this game. Please, could you just accept that you fuk'd up, HTFU and move on? It seems to me that everybody but you guys are getting tired of this discussion.
I admire your skills and dedication, and I think you'd have a very high chance of winning again this year. But now with this endless whining you guys are making yourselves look like a bunch of losers and not the hardcore veterans of cold, cruel Eve universe.
MB3 - thanks for the very good perspective to this debate. |
ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 22:08:00 -
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Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:ScoRpS wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? ... Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing. Again a simple word would have sufficed. But its clear to most that we were dealt with a harshness that was unjust and also inconsistant across the board. I do understand the motivation but we are not strangers, we are part of a greater community and not unapproachable. Being treated in the manner in which we were and so openly is alienating and sets a bad precident for the management of this game. Please, could you just accept that you fuk'd up, HTFU and move on? It seems to me that everybody but you guys are getting tired of this discussion. I admire your skills and dedication, and I think you'd have a very high chance of winning again this year. But now with this endless whining you guys are making yourselves look like a bunch of losers and not the hardcore veterans of cold, cruel Eve universe. MB3 - thanks for the very good perspective to this debate.
Your an idiot who doesn't read properly. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
149
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Posted - 2012.05.26 22:29:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:Your an idiot who doesn't read properly.
I know you don't like playing by the rules but that might be construed as a personal attack.
Anyways. I am just going to let this fizzle and die. GG, cya next year.
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
99
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Posted - 2012.05.26 22:34:00 -
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Man, Hydra and their nameless alts are getting dumpstered in this thread. If you are as good at EVE as you are at forum warrioring, you wouldn't have made it very far in ATX anyway lmao |
Suitonia
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
79
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:35:00 -
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Everyone knows you're a J4G Goon Penif m8 07 to ur t00nie |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
655
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:42:00 -
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I'll be watching so more bandwith for me! yeey!
Regards,
me - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
289
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:52:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Because CCP are clearly partial about the rules they made and a competition with partial judges is not a competition but a masquerade.
I guess im not alone thinking that, so please make an effort CCP and stop acting like childs.
I created a new topic because the old one is locked, and moreover you didnt answered to my questions in the last one.
well, less lag for me.
CCP setting up rules for you to act upon, not for themselves. They can do whatever they want if they think its better for the game/tournament, shooting themselves in the foot by own rules and letting players advocate their way into something would be simply plain stupid.
Banning a team which ruined one of the past events is certainly a good decision and in favor of all who watches the tournament.
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Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:09:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: Banning a team which ruined one of the past events is certainly a good decision and in favor of all who watches the tournament.
Still interested what your notion of "ruining" is? 2 of the 3 banned teams provided tons of good entertainment on the finals weekend in AT IX. Just the final sucked...
Blahblah |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
289
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:14:00 -
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Wheedily wrote:Robert Caldera wrote: Banning a team which ruined one of the past events is certainly a good decision and in favor of all who watches the tournament.
Still interested what your notion of "ruining" is? 2 of the 3 banned teams provided tons of good entertainment on the finals weekend in AT IX. Just the final sucked...
yeah the finals. In the climax of excitement and the last FINAL round you looked forward to came a big FU, instead of a good match. Its a ruined for me. Good they wont be able to do this again. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
27
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:12:00 -
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PL-B is banned, PL allowed. HyBreak-A and HyBreak-B are banned (even though what they did - sparring, sharing tactics, etc - was explicitly stated as being fine by a senior GM, and the tournybums not responding to their questions about it)
This is more of a joke than the finale.
It's a big mix of childish grudges, buttmad and ****-poor communication/management from CCP / the tournybums |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
15
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:36:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Because CCP are clearly partial about the rules they made and a competition with partial judges is not a competition but a masquerade.
I guess im not alone thinking that, so please make an effort CCP and stop acting like childs.
I created a new topic because the old one is locked, and moreover you didnt answered to my questions in the last one.
Good, more bandwidth for the ones that will watch it. |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:26:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:PL-B is banned, PL allowed. HyBreak-A and HyBreak-B are banned (even though what they did - sparring, sharing tactics, etc - was explicitly stated as being fine by a senior GM, and the tournybums not responding to their questions about it)
This is more of a joke than the finale.
It's a big mix of childish grudges, buttmad and ****-poor communication/management from CCP / the tournybums
Indeed. Blahblah |
Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.05.30 01:39:00 -
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The tournament is not created and operated by CCP (at significant expense) for the benefit of the teams competing. It is a showcase to the EVE community and gaming community at large, and the AT9 finals were a complete farce, even if everything was technically within the rules. I expect CCP to take whatever steps necessary to create a competitive and fun event showcasing the technology of EVE and talented players' piloting abilities. |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.05.30 05:15:00 -
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Devore Sekk wrote:The tournament is not created and operated by CCP (at significant expense) What was it, 26k Eur in Plex "income" this year for them to be able to host their own marketing event?
Blahblah |
Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.05.30 05:56:00 -
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Wheedily wrote:What was it, 26k Eur in Plex "income" this year for them to be able to host their own marketing event?
Really? And you don't think the Tournament costs just slightly more than 26k? A rigged final doesn't provide very good marketing. |
Tyzzara
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
2
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Posted - 2012.05.30 06:50:00 -
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I think that we are all taking ourselves WAY too seriously here.
After all, there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity.... right? I am interested to see how ATX unfolds on several levels. AFK Time Zone |
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