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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
no risk = boring.
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Isilwen Nightfall
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:47:00 -
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Just look at the gameplay trailer in the official website. Look at the space combat gameplay part.
..do you SERIOUSLY believe that's going to be "competition"?
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
no risk = boring.
Where's the risk when you have jumpclones to protect your expensive implants, and you fly ships that cost 10 minutes income? PvP risk in EvE seems to be limited to the rookies who enter the surface of griefer-space that surrounds high-sec.
It's hard to imagine another game which would be attractive to the "griefer and grifter" core of established EvE players. But I can imagine people who find the "frog-kissing" stage in EvE tedious would look at alternatives.
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:39:00 -
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How will ccp compete? They likely won't have to since 99% of Trek games are complete crap.
You can package a turd slap a Star Trek logo on it an sell it to hungry Trek fans hoping that finally something will be released that doesn't suck /guilty
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
no risk = boring.
Where's the risk when you have jumpclones to protect your expensive implants, and you fly ships that cost 10 minutes income? PvP risk in EvE seems to be limited to the rookies who enter the surface of griefer-space that surrounds high-sec.
It's hard to imagine another game which would be attractive to the "griefer and grifter" core of established EvE players. But I can imagine people who find the "frog-kissing" stage in EvE tedious would look at alternatives.
Its suprising just how many people fly ships they cannot afford to lose in 0.0
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:47:00 -
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Mmm I dunno, I'll definitely be trying STO when it arrives. I quite like a bit of co-op play and that's definitely something that EvE lacks, especially when compared to the story led co-op missions planned for STO. Its a game with a different focus set in a different universe, ppl say that a change is as good as a rest so just for that i'll try it out.
Also worth watching imo is the new Star Wars MMO, The Old Republic, or something like that. Been reading some pretty good stuff about it.
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:30:00 -
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I'm a huge Star Trek fan from way back and I think the only way I'd have an interest in Star Trek Online is if it was a lot like Task Force Games' Star Fleet Battles but in a MMO format and I don't think we'll ever see that done any further than what was done with Star Fleet Command and the Dynaverse.
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Mary Molotov
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:02:00 -
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Incoming Sci fi MMOs: Star Trek online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Jumpgate: Evolution. None will be the same as Eve but all of them are likely to draw people away. On the other hand there will be people who try these games and then try Eve.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 05/08/2009 17:17:39
Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
I don't know about that. I've been looking at infinity and while it may not be purely PvP focused, it will certainly allow for all the same PvP that goes on in EVE. From what I've heard it will even allow for scamming in game (though that is far from certain).
EDIT: Link to infinity
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Edited by: Karentaki on 05/08/2009 17:17:39
Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
I don't know about that. I've been looking at infinity and while it may not be purely PvP focused, it will certainly allow for all the same PvP that goes on in EVE. From what I've heard it will even allow for scamming in game (though that is far from certain).
EDIT: Link to infinity
This game development is way to slow. But IF it will be ever finished it looks very promising.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5, but he wants me to play it with him when it comes out...
whats ccp going to do to combat this new space mmo... that has walking about already in it.
Their brilliant strategy is to allow them to do all the things promised here much earlier. It's part of their master plan to cull the EVE population so it can always exist on one server.
I've been saying it for years: Compared to most MMOs you really don't see as much work being done on this, and i think it has alot to do with the idea that because we don't have to pay for expansions it doesn't matter if expansions add very little, or if expansions take as long as some entire MMOs do. I'd gladly pay for EVE expansions if they added gigs of content regularly, like other games. And EVE might be underestimating what another company could do in this genre.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:36:00 -
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STO and EVE aren't playing in the same league and therefore they won't compete more than EVE and the other sci-fi MMO's are.
Also, everyone knows Janeway was the best captain.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5,
http://www.starwreck.com/
That looked badass Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 05/08/2009 17:52:45
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5, but he wants me to play it with him when it comes out...
whats ccp going to do to combat this new space mmo... that has walking about already in it.
Their brilliant strategy is to allow them to do all the things promised here much earlier. It's part of their master plan to cull the EVE population so it can always exist on one server.
I've been saying it for years: Compared to most MMOs you really don't see as much work being done on this, and i think it has alot to do with the idea that because we don't have to pay for expansions it doesn't matter if expansions add very little, or if expansions take as long as some entire MMOs do. I'd gladly pay for EVE expansions if they added gigs of content regularly, like other games. And EVE might be underestimating what another company could do in this genre.
Are you kidding?
CCP treat us much better than a lot of MMO publishers and EVE is a much better long term prospect than a lot of those games will ever be.
CCP seem to have realised that MMO development does not need to follow the same business model as games of yore where you have a boxed product, expansion packs and then develop a new boxed product afterwards.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Are you kidding?
CCP treat us much better than a lot of MMO publishers and EVE is a much better long term prospect than a lot of those games will ever be.
CCP seem to have realised that MMO development does not need to follow the same business model as games of yore where you have a boxed product, expansion packs and then develop a new boxed product afterwards.
If you look at what other games put out in a year and compare it to this, there's no way to deny that EVE released less new content in the same time. Its a great business model in theory, but if it isn't producing more new content and improving the game as much as other business models do it's flawed.
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Deyo
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Deyo on 05/08/2009 18:18:03
Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 05/08/2009 11:04:35 I have looked at the STO forums and to be honest, it is the biggest carebear nerd fest I have seen in my life... EVE is safe from this game.
Reason why i haven't played SWG, reason i why wont play STO. Now if some other internet spaceships game comes along that would be another matter :)
D.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: TraininVain Are you kidding?
CCP treat us much better than a lot of MMO publishers and EVE is a much better long term prospect than a lot of those games will ever be.
CCP seem to have realised that MMO development does not need to follow the same business model as games of yore where you have a boxed product, expansion packs and then develop a new boxed product afterwards.
If you look at what other games put out in a year and compare it to this, there's no way to deny that EVE released less new content in the same time. Its a great business model in theory, but if it isn't producing more new content and improving the game as much as other business models do it's flawed.
Define Content, far as Im concerned most mmos dont break thier own game's rules like eve has done.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Define Content
con+tent 1 (kntnt) n. 1. Something contained, as in a receptacle. Often used in the plural: the contents of my desk drawer; the contents of an aerosol can. 2. a. The individual items or topics that are dealt with in a publication or document. Often used in the plural: a table of contents. b. The material, including text and images, that constitutes a publication or document. 3. a. The substantive or meaningful part: "The brain is hungry not for method but for content, especially content which contains generalizations that are powerful, precise, and explicit" (Frederick Turner). b. The meaning or significance of a literary or artistic work. 4. The proportion of a specified substance: Eggs have a high protein content. [Middle English, from Medieval Latin contentum, neuter past participle of Latin continre, to contain; see contain.]
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Pnandor
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:31:00 -
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Well shooting on a cube looks boring for me
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox From the sounds of it though Star Trek combat is 2d. No slamming round into other players from above or below.
This doesn't necessarily mean that combat won't be interesting and tactical. Might mean a bit of willing suspension of disbelief, but 2D twitch-based spaceship combat can be fun if it's done right.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:33:00 -
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+1 for Babylon 5 fanboyism.
STO is just like every other IP cashgrab in the history of MMOs. Lots of "features" being marketed and hyped, huge launch, followed by the obvious realization that most of them are shallow, gimmicky or lack any real integration. Following this is the eventual subscriber crash that leaves a lot of butthurt trekkies in its wake.
Unless their budget is the GDP of a small nation (which its not), there's no way the game would live up to anybody's expectation in every area. And like most games of this nature, as long as the initial wave of buyers and one-month subscribers can offset the initial investment, they'll just prop the game up with a skeleton crew of developers for a year or two before shutting it down.
By the end, the IP licensors will have cashed in yet again, and the developers will have a half-decent product to flaunt that nobody plays with which to salvage their tarnished reputation. If they're lucky, a rosy requiem will be sung by the weeping chorus of deluded morons, paving the way for another IP-raping of cryptic proportions.
I'd love to be an optimist, and I'd love to see a properly realized Star Trek universe, but I'm just not absolved from the belief that most MMOs are made as singleplayer games with social networking and subscription fees.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Nova Fox Define Content
con+tent 1 (kntnt) n. 1. Something contained, as in a receptacle. Often used in the plural: the contents of my desk drawer; the contents of an aerosol can. 2. a. The individual items or topics that are dealt with in a publication or document. Often used in the plural: a table of contents. b. The material, including text and images, that constitutes a publication or document. 3. a. The substantive or meaningful part: "The brain is hungry not for method but for content, especially content which contains generalizations that are powerful, precise, and explicit" (Frederick Turner). b. The meaning or significance of a literary or artistic work. 4. The proportion of a specified substance: Eggs have a high protein content. [Middle English, from Medieval Latin contentum, neuter past participle of Latin continre, to contain; see contain.]
ah the few times I dont need somone to be litteral for once.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox ah the few times I dont need somone to be litteral for once.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Don't get me wrong, though, i'm not trying to 'hate on' CCP. Never was a big SW fan and will probably stick with this no matter what. Just wish this game moved forward faster.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Nova Fox ah the few times I dont need somone to be litteral for once.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Don't get me wrong, though, i'm not trying to 'hate on' CCP. Never was a big SW fan and will probably stick with this no matter what. Just wish this game moved forward faster.
no just wasnt implying that, just the definintion of content in some mmos is simply reskinning things and adding a few new maps and retexts of quests past.
Eve definition of content is mostly breaking thier own game entirely.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:04:00 -
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If you can't play as The Borg and fly around assimilating everyone and everything then I'm not interested.
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Mors Magne
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:24:00 -
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Until StarTrek Online is released, it's all speculation.
Darkfall and that Conan MMO were suppost to be better than anything that came before...
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Isilwen Nightfall Just look at the gameplay trailer in the official website. Look at the space combat gameplay part.
..do you SERIOUSLY believe that's going to be "competition"?
this
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.05 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Star Trek Online website
Lifetime Subscription ($199.99 USD | $219.99 CAN | ú119.99 GBP | Ç147.99 EUR)
I see they don't expect the game to last very long or that option would never have been considered.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove It's a hollywood license tie in. I don't even need to google it to know it's going to be a massive pile of rubbish. I only need to call on the experience of every single game licensed out of Hollywood having been utter drivel pandering to it's 27 going on 12 year old audience.
And then there is "The Problem".
You know the one I mean....
Trekkies. Even if the game had a shred of decency about it, you know there will be a hoard of trekkies jump on it and turn it into a dire analytical ****fest.
Hollywood have managed one decent game, Goldeneye on the N64 was fantastic. It is probably the only one though.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Last Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Escobar Noreaga
Originally by: Xikuan PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
/end
But Star Wars Ships would kick the crap outta those weaksauce Federation Ships.
A-Wings FTW!
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