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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:35:00 -
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So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5, but he wants me to play it with him when it comes out...
whats ccp going to do to combat this new space mmo... that has walking about already in it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:39:00 -
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It's not competition in the least.
It's not PVP-centric at all. It's been awhile since I read the PC Gamer article, but the focus was going around and exploring cool **** with people.
Aside from the fact that both feature internet spaceships, the two games are about as different as Counterstrike and Hello Kitty Online
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:49:00 -
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not what ive read, there will be a section of 'space for open pvp'
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:06:00 -
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Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar not what ive read, there will be a section of 'space for open pvp'
Then it's nothing like EVE at all.
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Another Liberthas
Originally by: Zurrar not what ive read, there will be a section of 'space for open pvp'
Then it's nothing like EVE at all.
your right, but its still competition, look how many people live in empire... the 'safe sandbox'... startrek online is right up their alley...
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:55:00 -
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eve wins all
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:59:00 -
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Many people know play eve because it is the only way to get internet spaceships, another internet spaceship game can be totally different, and still get ccps customers.
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Xikuan
Minmatar New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:00:00 -
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<insert any of the million other MMO's that are in BETA> is going into BETA, What is CCP going to do to combat this new threat to the very fabric of their plot to take over the world?
Well, nothing. They continue to grow, add features, fix bugs etc.. Why should they suddenly change a winning formula?
I'm a fraking !HUGE! Star Trek fan, but I have no intentions of leaving EVE for it, I don't see why any other trekkie fan that plays EVE would either. IMO it's going to FAIL HARD! Fans will just be expecting too much, sure I may play it for a while, get my jollies maybe, then when it gets abandoned (assuming it ever gets out of beta) it will be as if it never even happened, and will just be another page in Wikipedia on failed Star Trek games.
PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
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Artassaut
Minmatar Oblivion Amalgamated
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xikuan <insert any of the million other MMO's that are in BETA> is going into BETA, What is CCP going to do to combat this new threat to the very fabric of their plot to take over the world?
That's nothing, EVE is still in Alpha. --- The Gate: Lol, try targeting me in a fleet fight. The Station: No U. |
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:27:00 -
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And then Children, all the little PVP enthusiasts who can't stop saying "EVE is PVP!" gathered around to beat the living s...oh hi there!
No MMO is challenge to another MMO 'cause they are...another MMOs.
Just forget it.
EVE won't die.
Might just outlive humanity
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Escobar Noreaga
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xikuan PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
/end
But Star Wars Ships would kick the crap outta those weaksauce Federation Ships. ________
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Kamchak Dicca
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:38:00 -
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I've been keeping half an eye on ST:OL for a couple of years. Yes, I will give it a look when it goes live, I am a big ST fan too. I may even stay with it.
However, I will not abandon Eve.
The one thing that puts me off the ST game, is the potential player base, and reading the forums there, I get the impression that most are 'Simpsonslike Comic Book Store guy' who only get their jollies from deriding people who have something like a life and don't know ST lore to the Nth degree.
Saying that, the game does look interesting, but I suspect that it will end up being more like Pirates of the Burning Sea then Eve, with heavily controlled PvP and nothing like the 'Sandbox' game that Eve is
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Sythyss
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Originally by: Zurrar not what ive read, there will be a section of 'space for open pvp'
Then it's nothing like EVE at all.
your right, but its still competition, look how many people live in empire... the 'safe sandbox'... startrek online is right up their alley...
no, it's not competition at all. Just because it has a space theme does not mean it it's like EVE in any other way. Akita pretty much summed it up.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5,
http://www.starwreck.com/
Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Many people know play eve because it is the only way to get internet spaceships, another internet spaceship game can be totally different, and still get ccps customers.
And in that statement, is truth.
And there is another thing.
A lot of people are familiar with Star Trek, considerably so. I recall back in junior high school there was a game popular at that time that was all about fighting with starships using dice rolls. There was a lot of adaptations from the D&D thing of the 1970s into other areas (Star Trek, plus the other TSR creations like Gamma World, Boot Hill, etc).
Yes yes I am a geek. Let's all laugh about it and get over it.
Would Star Trek online "steal" EvE players away? That is a good question.
I could project/reflect my own ideals and such and claim that how I feel is how everybody feels, but that is typically useless and anecdotal. But it's all I can claim, from my end of things, and some observations made.
Before I get there, I can say that "arbitrary" PVP constraints can be irritating and drive people off (and keep them in EVE). What I mean is, a WOW-like "you cannot attack that target" response to attempting to target something.
But seeing how, having been nerdy enough to have seen many a TOS, TNG, STV, and DS9 episode, a starship captain who decides to blow up a non-combatant target will get dog-piled by his bridge crew. And you won't get far if you got Vulcans with that blasted nerve pinch. You might squeeze off a torpedo or two.
From my perspective and what is observed from other players (opinions in game and forums), a lot of people are not into the game for the direct PVP on the one hand, that being not out looking for a fight, but on the other hand, the game for them is already boring enough if there was no PVP at all. I avoided PVP for a long time out of fear that I would be left sitting there thinking "that's it?" and put it off, doing all other things first. After faction warfare got to be a drag, I was ready to quit this game for a second time, out of boredom.
Then came Apocrypha and exploration. But even now, as WH space becomes Kennified, and the root of exploration fall to lack of missions surrounding it or results for smaller groups by it, that too seems to be trailing off.
So if I can actually beam down to a planet and see some red-shirts get turned into a D12 (those of you who know what a D12 is, don't say anything) by some alien race that nobody has seen before, I might go there.
Star Trek might do what WOW did as far as missions go, making every one of them individualistic and at times "instanced". This is what made WOW such a boring endeavor that it was thus I was driven to the battlegrounds often, mouse in one hand and rum in the other, for some tank and spank because that was not predictable at least.
But Star Trek might also give you the ability to warp a ship from one chosen point, to another, thereby making the game blob and gank proof. Blob and gate camp warfare is just as bad for the alliance pets and corp noobs who get stuck with the job, as it is for the victims of such activities. For every ragequitting carebear, I think there is a boredquitting ganker also headed for the exit. But I think that CCP might be working on the solution for that, with wormholes, no local, and scanning changes becoming the new reality.
In the end, I must drink a nice big cup of STFU and say "I don't know".
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:19:00 -
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EVE do not need to do anything. As Akita said, EVE is a very PVP centric game, and until anyone dares make something similar, that has real losses (as opposed to non existant loss in WOW) and based around PVP there will be no other games like it.
I myslef am a ST fan, but I dunno, flying around space seeing alot of picard clones sound not as fun :P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:30:00 -
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The interesting thing for me about Star Trek online is twitch-based combat instead of EVE's ... I guess strategy.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:33:00 -
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Eve and STO are matter and antimatter. The Federation is the very antithesis of all that is Eve. So any game based upon it is going to be so completely different that it will appeal to a different type of gamer altogether.
There will probably be some overlap for those looking for something different, but they're not really in any sort of competition outside the generic sci-fi level.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:34:00 -
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eves strategy for pvp is 'get moar ppl in fleet DAMNIT!'
im not a trek fan, in the least, but i more or less *have* to play it... as my friend has been edging me on to do it.
but my question is more centered around the empire dweebs who dont partake in pvp unless they screw up some where... hell, guys in my alliance, been there a while have no kills and only losses where they got tackled in a belt...
i see the carebears leaving eve for ST:O
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 05/08/2009 08:44:27
Originally by: Escobar Noreaga
Originally by: Xikuan PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
/end
But Star Wars Ships would kick the crap outta those weaksauce Federation Ships.
Star trek vs Star Wars
Another Trek vs SW
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xikuan PS. Benjamin Sisko was the best captain.
fixed your little typo there.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:04:00 -
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wait star treck has game?
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:32:00 -
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at worst we might loose a few bears to star trek, and maybe there will be a smaller influx of new players to eve for a while, but thats it.
(none of those are a bad thing imo)
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe at worst we might loose a few bears to star trek, and maybe there will be a smaller influx of new players to eve for a while, but thats it.
(none of those are a bad thing imo)
And at best, we lose a couple of carebear haters to it
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nakKEDK
Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:41:00 -
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startrek is gay, so eve wins
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
Then again there is no non-PVP centric internet spaceship game.
If players have a choice, then the vast majority will choose a non-PVP environment. Just like 90% of the players went to live in Trammel back in the old days of UO, with the PVP environment Felucca dying out completely.
Now EVE doesn't have a 90% "carebear" share like UO had because a lot of them simply aren't interested in EVE or already quit due to the PVP or lack of PVE content, but it's still a pretty large portion. I do think EVE has to worry from PVE competitors. ---
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:42:00 -
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It's a hollywood license tie in. I don't even need to google it to know it's going to be a massive pile of rubbish. I only need to call on the experience of every single game licensed out of Hollywood having been utter drivel pandering to it's 27 going on 12 year old audience.
And then there is "The Problem".
You know the one I mean....
Trekkies. Even if the game had a shred of decency about it, you know there will be a hoard of trekkies jump on it and turn it into a dire analytical ****fest.
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
And at best, we lose a couple of carebear haters to it
im no carebear hater, im actually in the middle of a massive bearing period as we speak
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:01:00 -
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Once you are hooked with Eve its hard to get away.
The risk, single game world and sheer number of things you can do make Eve so special. Star Trek may look nice and be cool for a few months, but IMO until a mmo comes out with the same depth as EVE and also a single world I cant see myself leaving.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
Then again there is no non-PVP centric internet spaceship game.
If players have a choice, then the vast majority will choose a non-PVP environment. Just like 90% of the players went to live in Trammel back in the old days of UO, with the PVP environment Felucca dying out completely.
Now EVE doesn't have a 90% "carebear" share like UO had because a lot of them simply aren't interested in EVE or already quit due to the PVP or lack of PVE content, but it's still a pretty large portion. I do think EVE has to worry from PVE competitors.
Or it might finally give CCP an incentive to improve and reform EvE's lackluster PvE.
And by that I DONT mean "make it totally safe", I mean "make it exciting and unpredictable".
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:03:00 -
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/me is eagerly anticipating Star Trek. It'll be a nice break from Eve if nothing else.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:05:00 -
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star trek wins as Q = a god by any measure.
also trek ships fight at FTL speeds and there's nothing that can do that in the SW universe, even though the tiniest laser cannon there fires like 50 gigatons of tnt per second or something stupid. They would never hit. [ |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:48:00 -
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Ccp won't do anything different. Every other remotely sci-fi mmo that has come and gone has supposedly been the death of eve, no reason to think this will be. If it does turn out to take eves players away there is probably nothing ccp could do about it anyway, trying to counter it by changing eve would probably make things worse. People always flock to a new MMO, then they trail back to eve. They will just keep doing their own thing.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 05/08/2009 11:04:35 I have looked at the STO forums and to be honest, it is the biggest carebear nerd fest I have seen in my life, every 10th post is a ST vs thread in which the trekies stoke their e-peen and the roll players are everywhere and far more extream than what we get here. I will be giving it a go but only to see if I can be a pirate/terrorist.
EVE is safe from this game.
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:42:00 -
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i just had a look on the star trek online website .....
EvE has nothing to fear
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:46:00 -
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From the sounds of it though Star Trek combat is 2d. No slamming round into other players from above or below.
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:00:00 -
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I don't think one could readily compare EVE online to Star Trek online because, frankly, both MMO's appeal to two different category of player and SF fan.
One one hand you have Star Trek. The utopian universe where everything is possible because money is of no object among its myriad cultures. You're able to build the ship you want very quickly and design it in whatever fashion you choose. However from what I've seen it's just that: Building a ship. You'll likely only have a poor selection of five types of phasers and two four types of torpedo to choose from (going from what I can remember of canonical universe tech) and then that's pretty much it. Off you go, kill the enemies and I can forsee that Star Trek online will run out of steam very quickly for hardcore gamers and end up merely appealing to a niche market of hardcore roleplayers.
Eve, on the other hand has much more in the way of diversity. While you can't build your very own ship in the way that Star Trek allows you to, there is much more of an expansive tech to fit to the preset hulls we've all come to know and love. And Eve will still hold the monopoly over that 'do whatever you want' angle that 99% of us play eve for anyway. So EVE will always have much more than Star Trek Online.
In summary, I think it's fair to say Star Trek Online will end up being something that some people will play for a short time, or in short periods of time alongside EVE but it wont pull members away from EVE at all.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 05/08/2009 12:11:24 Edited by: Zey Nadar on 05/08/2009 12:09:59 Best way for CCP to combat what little threat star trek represents, is to introduce ambulation ;)
Seriously, all Star Trek games ever have sucked horribly. Im a Star trek fan (the old, not the new), but, the games.. It will most likely introduce too little diversity, not enough excitement, and bad game mechanics to boot..
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:10:00 -
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Twitch based PvP you say, how then will all them nerds have time to finish their monologues?
I guess copy paste will be big over there.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Twitch based PvP you say, how then will all them nerds have time to finish their monologues?
I guess copy paste will be big over there.
Im hoping they dont have macro speaches. The time to type out some of the technical crap and the moral speach is what I need to get inside their engine room and lob a few grenades into the warp core.
Insidently how is the market system going to work in a game with no money?
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sue AGPlant
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:18:00 -
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impact this will have to eve
carebear cry blah blah
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Insidently how is the market system going to work in a game with no money?
Part of the reason why star trek games have always sucked. There is no market. Replicators eradicated the need for money among humans. If you wanted something you just replicated. Since the replicator meant that resources became unlimited, money was no longer needed. So you don't buy/sell anything. You just build what you want and away you go. Hence why EVE will always be superior because it will always present a MENTAL challenge as well as a gamplaying one.
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Then again there is no non-PVP centric internet spaceship game.
If players have a choice, then the vast majority will choose a non-PVP environment.
I'm mostly a carebear (though I like to mix my play styles a bit -- some PvP, more PvE) but I would not swap to a game which prohibits attacking other players in certain areas. EVE's sandbox approach is what sets it apart and even if I'm not out gunning for someone every night the overall environment is where I want to play.
Cheers, Arrs
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:30:00 -
[45]
So wait, theres no trading in sto either?
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox So wait, theres no trading in sto either?
I have no idea. You'll just have to play it and see. But I still say it will be of no comparison to eve.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:58:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Escobar Noreaga
Originally by: Xikuan PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
/end
But Star Wars Ships would kick the crap outta those weaksauce Federation Ships.
The star trek world stopped using lasers because shield tech made them useless, so the phasor was developed.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:04:00 -
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STO will very likely have a minimal initial impact on EVE as people go try it. They'll come back though. They always do.
And I agree with the numerous other folks... as a Star Trek fan myself... there has yet to be a decent Star Trek video game made... I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Salliene
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:07:00 -
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Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call, and Dark Age of Camelot are all still up and running and making money despite the fact that World of Warcraft came out.
If the first generation MMO's can still find an audience after the Blizzard juggernaut entered the realm and became an actual part of popular culture, I don't think EVE will have any problem surviving the release of STO.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:09:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Megan Maynard
Originally by: Escobar Noreaga
Originally by: Xikuan PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
/end
But Star Wars Ships would kick the crap outta those weaksauce Federation Ships.
The star trek world stopped using lasers because shield tech made them useless, so the phasor was developed.
Star Wars ships have nothing on Star Trek.
Isnt what star wars have technically plasma cannons? and NOT lasers?
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Ketinvik
SRE Brotherhood
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:39:00 -
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Based on their website I'd make the following guesses:
- They have henchmen, ala GuildWars, so missions will either be rated for using AI and therefore trivial if done with friends or rated for players and so nearly impossible to be solo'd. Ick.
- They will have an economy, sort of. With no money there is either time consuming bartering or something else - let's call it isk - that takes the place of money as an exchange medium. Yawn.
- They have RvR PvP with some open PvP in an area no one will visit. So...faction wars. Nothing new here.
- Here's a biggie, from my perspective, they will have levels. Some people will blow through the levels as fast as possible to get to the end game only to discover that there really isn't one since the company didn't expect people to get there that fast or they'll be left behind by there friends and, unlike EVE, level is king. People who are only a few levels down will be effectively unable to compete and will start to whine.
- The community will be split between those who are looking for a fun game loosely based on ST and those who expect every bit of ST canon to be religiously followed. No one will be happy with the balance struck.
- At some point the people who own the ST IP will make a demand on the game that is a killer.
Much of this reminds me of the last time a company brought a space based movie theme to MMOs...SWG. That didn't kill EVE. This won't either.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:45:00 -
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STO has furries.
Nuff said tbh.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: TraininVain STO has furries.
Nuff said tbh.
How the hell did that happen?
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Exitar Stormscion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:57:00 -
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I would say most important thing in eve that gets ppl to stay and play is FEAR. You are always in fear from being killed or getting blobed , or even in stations will you get cut on price , even when you are exploring WH there is fear that you will not get lost there or get again attacked by someone . So from industrialist to hard core pvper and explorer there is constant fear in game that keeps it interesting and FUN.
On top of that i am not fan of ST i just love the series and i have to say EVE ship design looks like 1000x better then StarTrek ships that look like JOKE ... seriously i dont care to fly ****ing enterprise it looks like a joke compared to ships we fly :)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:58:00 -
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From what I've read of STO, it's going to be a lot more focused on co-operative gameplay than competitive. And combat is going to be based more on positioning and timing than overwhelming enemies with force, so it sounds like it could be a lot of fun but it offers something completely different to EVE. Personally, I'll be trying STO out at launch but I'll never stop playing EVE because it offers something no other MMO currently does. The current plans for STO, Black Prophecy, SWTOR, JGE etc don't really intersect with EVE's gameplay in a meaningful way. I wrote about this in one of my column posts a while back entitled Competition for EVE Online.
Something I think STO, JGE and BP all have in common is that they seem to be afraid to alienate any type of customer. From the information released so far it seems like they're all trying to attract everyone, in some cases by finding some kind of imaginary middle-ground. For example, STO's developers claim that they're going to make it so casual and "hardcore" players can access the same stuff somehow. Another good example is Black Prophecy's stance on PvP and how casual the game is. Even though it's being aimed at a casual market they're trying to implement some kind of resource-based clan warfare system and are making special opt-in open PvP zones. They even announced a feature they intend to work on after release called "station walking" to try and capture those players who are hanging onto EVE waiting for Walking in Stations :p.
It's terribly confusing trying to sift through all the information from interviews and build a picture of what these games will be like, there are often very contradictory ideas in there and more information is needed to see how they'll bare out. It's like developers are saying "We're making this game for casual players. But also harcore players. And it'll be mainly based on PvE. But also PvP. And PvP will be mostly in battlegrounds. But there'll be open PvP. And there'll be no death penalty. But also there'll be a harsh death penalty. And resources will be open for everyone. But also there'll be competition over resources.". Until they're released, we won't know for sure what any of the games are like.
Most MMO development studios seem to lack the commitment to pick one speciality for their game and stick with it. The market is full of people that want different things from their choice of MMO and every company is firmly committed to trying to do them of all at once. With the possible exception of Darkfall, EVE is the only MMO I've seen that sticks firm with a single unifying vision. All the others fragment, implementing separate open PvP servers and shoehorning every mechanic that's been done before into their game.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ketinvik - Here's a biggie, from my perspective, they will have levels.
AGH! Insta-fail. FFS, developers! Levels were rendered archaic and obsolete in P&PRPGs in the early '80s. Catch up!
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: TraininVain STO has furries.
Nuff said tbh.
How the hell did that happen?
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ketinvik - Here's a biggie, from my perspective, they will have levels.
AGH! Insta-fail. FFS, developers! Levels were rendered archaic and obsolete in P&PRPGs in the early '80s. Catch up!
I generally agree but I played a space MMO with levels once that actually worked. It's called Vendetta Online and while I decided the game wasn't worth a monthly fee, it did give me a bit of an insight. Their levels are called licenses and are more like skills that you train by doing something (like mining or shooting something with small weapons). The XP system makes some form of sense when you think of it as a way the space ship companies have of ensuring someone has put enough practice in to use a certain ship or piece of equipment.
But like all games, I'll reserve final judgement until the game is released and I can give it a test drive.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:16:00 -
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"You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar
i see the carebears leaving eve for ST:O
Your bias is showing.
And please don't speak for us "carebears". We're perfectly capable of doing so on our own.
Asshat. --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
no risk = boring.
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Isilwen Nightfall
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:47:00 -
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Just look at the gameplay trailer in the official website. Look at the space combat gameplay part.
..do you SERIOUSLY believe that's going to be "competition"?
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
no risk = boring.
Where's the risk when you have jumpclones to protect your expensive implants, and you fly ships that cost 10 minutes income? PvP risk in EvE seems to be limited to the rookies who enter the surface of griefer-space that surrounds high-sec.
It's hard to imagine another game which would be attractive to the "griefer and grifter" core of established EvE players. But I can imagine people who find the "frog-kissing" stage in EvE tedious would look at alternatives.
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:39:00 -
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How will ccp compete? They likely won't have to since 99% of Trek games are complete crap.
You can package a turd slap a Star Trek logo on it an sell it to hungry Trek fans hoping that finally something will be released that doesn't suck /guilty
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1 "You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed."
/interest
no risk = boring.
Where's the risk when you have jumpclones to protect your expensive implants, and you fly ships that cost 10 minutes income? PvP risk in EvE seems to be limited to the rookies who enter the surface of griefer-space that surrounds high-sec.
It's hard to imagine another game which would be attractive to the "griefer and grifter" core of established EvE players. But I can imagine people who find the "frog-kissing" stage in EvE tedious would look at alternatives.
Its suprising just how many people fly ships they cannot afford to lose in 0.0
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:47:00 -
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Mmm I dunno, I'll definitely be trying STO when it arrives. I quite like a bit of co-op play and that's definitely something that EvE lacks, especially when compared to the story led co-op missions planned for STO. Its a game with a different focus set in a different universe, ppl say that a change is as good as a rest so just for that i'll try it out.
Also worth watching imo is the new Star Wars MMO, The Old Republic, or something like that. Been reading some pretty good stuff about it.
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:30:00 -
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I'm a huge Star Trek fan from way back and I think the only way I'd have an interest in Star Trek Online is if it was a lot like Task Force Games' Star Fleet Battles but in a MMO format and I don't think we'll ever see that done any further than what was done with Star Fleet Command and the Dynaverse.
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Mary Molotov
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:02:00 -
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Incoming Sci fi MMOs: Star Trek online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Jumpgate: Evolution. None will be the same as Eve but all of them are likely to draw people away. On the other hand there will be people who try these games and then try Eve.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 05/08/2009 17:17:39
Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
I don't know about that. I've been looking at infinity and while it may not be purely PvP focused, it will certainly allow for all the same PvP that goes on in EVE. From what I've heard it will even allow for scamming in game (though that is far from certain).
EDIT: Link to infinity
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Edited by: Karentaki on 05/08/2009 17:17:39
Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
I don't know about that. I've been looking at infinity and while it may not be purely PvP focused, it will certainly allow for all the same PvP that goes on in EVE. From what I've heard it will even allow for scamming in game (though that is far from certain).
EDIT: Link to infinity
This game development is way to slow. But IF it will be ever finished it looks very promising.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5, but he wants me to play it with him when it comes out...
whats ccp going to do to combat this new space mmo... that has walking about already in it.
Their brilliant strategy is to allow them to do all the things promised here much earlier. It's part of their master plan to cull the EVE population so it can always exist on one server.
I've been saying it for years: Compared to most MMOs you really don't see as much work being done on this, and i think it has alot to do with the idea that because we don't have to pay for expansions it doesn't matter if expansions add very little, or if expansions take as long as some entire MMOs do. I'd gladly pay for EVE expansions if they added gigs of content regularly, like other games. And EVE might be underestimating what another company could do in this genre.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:36:00 -
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STO and EVE aren't playing in the same league and therefore they won't compete more than EVE and the other sci-fi MMO's are.
Also, everyone knows Janeway was the best captain.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5,
http://www.starwreck.com/
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 05/08/2009 17:52:45
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Zurrar So, startrek online is going into beta, im not a trek fan, but i have a friend that is a HUGE one... im more babylon 5, but he wants me to play it with him when it comes out...
whats ccp going to do to combat this new space mmo... that has walking about already in it.
Their brilliant strategy is to allow them to do all the things promised here much earlier. It's part of their master plan to cull the EVE population so it can always exist on one server.
I've been saying it for years: Compared to most MMOs you really don't see as much work being done on this, and i think it has alot to do with the idea that because we don't have to pay for expansions it doesn't matter if expansions add very little, or if expansions take as long as some entire MMOs do. I'd gladly pay for EVE expansions if they added gigs of content regularly, like other games. And EVE might be underestimating what another company could do in this genre.
Are you kidding?
CCP treat us much better than a lot of MMO publishers and EVE is a much better long term prospect than a lot of those games will ever be.
CCP seem to have realised that MMO development does not need to follow the same business model as games of yore where you have a boxed product, expansion packs and then develop a new boxed product afterwards.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Are you kidding?
CCP treat us much better than a lot of MMO publishers and EVE is a much better long term prospect than a lot of those games will ever be.
CCP seem to have realised that MMO development does not need to follow the same business model as games of yore where you have a boxed product, expansion packs and then develop a new boxed product afterwards.
If you look at what other games put out in a year and compare it to this, there's no way to deny that EVE released less new content in the same time. Its a great business model in theory, but if it isn't producing more new content and improving the game as much as other business models do it's flawed.
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Deyo
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Deyo on 05/08/2009 18:18:03
Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 05/08/2009 11:04:35 I have looked at the STO forums and to be honest, it is the biggest carebear nerd fest I have seen in my life... EVE is safe from this game.
Reason why i haven't played SWG, reason i why wont play STO. Now if some other internet spaceships game comes along that would be another matter :)
D.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: TraininVain Are you kidding?
CCP treat us much better than a lot of MMO publishers and EVE is a much better long term prospect than a lot of those games will ever be.
CCP seem to have realised that MMO development does not need to follow the same business model as games of yore where you have a boxed product, expansion packs and then develop a new boxed product afterwards.
If you look at what other games put out in a year and compare it to this, there's no way to deny that EVE released less new content in the same time. Its a great business model in theory, but if it isn't producing more new content and improving the game as much as other business models do it's flawed.
Define Content, far as Im concerned most mmos dont break thier own game's rules like eve has done.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Define Content
con+tent 1 (kntnt) n. 1. Something contained, as in a receptacle. Often used in the plural: the contents of my desk drawer; the contents of an aerosol can. 2. a. The individual items or topics that are dealt with in a publication or document. Often used in the plural: a table of contents. b. The material, including text and images, that constitutes a publication or document. 3. a. The substantive or meaningful part: "The brain is hungry not for method but for content, especially content which contains generalizations that are powerful, precise, and explicit" (Frederick Turner). b. The meaning or significance of a literary or artistic work. 4. The proportion of a specified substance: Eggs have a high protein content. [Middle English, from Medieval Latin contentum, neuter past participle of Latin continre, to contain; see contain.]
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Pnandor
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:31:00 -
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Well shooting on a cube looks boring for me
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox From the sounds of it though Star Trek combat is 2d. No slamming round into other players from above or below.
This doesn't necessarily mean that combat won't be interesting and tactical. Might mean a bit of willing suspension of disbelief, but 2D twitch-based spaceship combat can be fun if it's done right.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:33:00 -
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+1 for Babylon 5 fanboyism.
STO is just like every other IP cashgrab in the history of MMOs. Lots of "features" being marketed and hyped, huge launch, followed by the obvious realization that most of them are shallow, gimmicky or lack any real integration. Following this is the eventual subscriber crash that leaves a lot of butthurt trekkies in its wake.
Unless their budget is the GDP of a small nation (which its not), there's no way the game would live up to anybody's expectation in every area. And like most games of this nature, as long as the initial wave of buyers and one-month subscribers can offset the initial investment, they'll just prop the game up with a skeleton crew of developers for a year or two before shutting it down.
By the end, the IP licensors will have cashed in yet again, and the developers will have a half-decent product to flaunt that nobody plays with which to salvage their tarnished reputation. If they're lucky, a rosy requiem will be sung by the weeping chorus of deluded morons, paving the way for another IP-raping of cryptic proportions.
I'd love to be an optimist, and I'd love to see a properly realized Star Trek universe, but I'm just not absolved from the belief that most MMOs are made as singleplayer games with social networking and subscription fees.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Nova Fox Define Content
con+tent 1 (kntnt) n. 1. Something contained, as in a receptacle. Often used in the plural: the contents of my desk drawer; the contents of an aerosol can. 2. a. The individual items or topics that are dealt with in a publication or document. Often used in the plural: a table of contents. b. The material, including text and images, that constitutes a publication or document. 3. a. The substantive or meaningful part: "The brain is hungry not for method but for content, especially content which contains generalizations that are powerful, precise, and explicit" (Frederick Turner). b. The meaning or significance of a literary or artistic work. 4. The proportion of a specified substance: Eggs have a high protein content. [Middle English, from Medieval Latin contentum, neuter past participle of Latin continre, to contain; see contain.]
ah the few times I dont need somone to be litteral for once.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox ah the few times I dont need somone to be litteral for once.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Don't get me wrong, though, i'm not trying to 'hate on' CCP. Never was a big SW fan and will probably stick with this no matter what. Just wish this game moved forward faster.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Nova Fox ah the few times I dont need somone to be litteral for once.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Don't get me wrong, though, i'm not trying to 'hate on' CCP. Never was a big SW fan and will probably stick with this no matter what. Just wish this game moved forward faster.
no just wasnt implying that, just the definintion of content in some mmos is simply reskinning things and adding a few new maps and retexts of quests past.
Eve definition of content is mostly breaking thier own game entirely.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:04:00 -
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If you can't play as The Borg and fly around assimilating everyone and everything then I'm not interested.
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Mors Magne
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:24:00 -
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Until StarTrek Online is released, it's all speculation.
Darkfall and that Conan MMO were suppost to be better than anything that came before...
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Isilwen Nightfall Just look at the gameplay trailer in the official website. Look at the space combat gameplay part.
..do you SERIOUSLY believe that's going to be "competition"?
this
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.05 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Star Trek Online website
Lifetime Subscription ($199.99 USD | $219.99 CAN | ú119.99 GBP | Ç147.99 EUR)
I see they don't expect the game to last very long or that option would never have been considered.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove It's a hollywood license tie in. I don't even need to google it to know it's going to be a massive pile of rubbish. I only need to call on the experience of every single game licensed out of Hollywood having been utter drivel pandering to it's 27 going on 12 year old audience.
And then there is "The Problem".
You know the one I mean....
Trekkies. Even if the game had a shred of decency about it, you know there will be a hoard of trekkies jump on it and turn it into a dire analytical ****fest.
Hollywood have managed one decent game, Goldeneye on the N64 was fantastic. It is probably the only one though.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Last Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Escobar Noreaga
Originally by: Xikuan PS. Jean-Luc Picard was the best captain.
/end
But Star Wars Ships would kick the crap outta those weaksauce Federation Ships.
A-Wings FTW!
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Loki Valis
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kamchak Dicca The one thing that puts me off the ST game, is the potential player base, and reading the forums there, I get the impression that most are 'Simpsonslike Comic Book Store guy' who only get their jollies from deriding people who have something like a life and don't know ST lore to the Nth degree.
Saying that, the game does look interesting, but I suspect that it will end up being more like Pirates of the Burning Sea then Eve, with heavily controlled PvP and nothing like the 'Sandbox' game that Eve is
As opposed to the elitist attitude found often enough on these forums ... just sayin.
Other then that I agree with you.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:49:00 -
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Star Trek Online does have some real nice looking space environments though...
http://kotaku.com/5326397/all-the-star-trek-online-screens-youll-ever-need
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Marty Bones
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Posted - 2009.08.05 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Marty Bones on 05/08/2009 22:27:06
Originally by: Akita T Nobody except CCP had the balls to make such a heavily PVP-centric MMO and actually get away with it. EVE is safe until somebody with balls the size of the moon and a damn hefty wallet enters the market, which isn't going to be any time soon... at least, no noteworthy contender announced its possible engagement yet.
you might want tot take a look at this, must admit its nt sapceships:
http://www.darkfallonline.com
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.05 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Loki Valis
Originally by: Kamchak Dicca The one thing that puts me off the ST game, is the potential player base, and reading the forums there, I get the impression that most are 'Simpsonslike Comic Book Store guy' who only get their jollies from deriding people who have something like a life and don't know ST lore to the Nth degree.
Saying that, the game does look interesting, but I suspect that it will end up being more like Pirates of the Burning Sea then Eve, with heavily controlled PvP and nothing like the 'Sandbox' game that Eve is
As opposed to the elitist attitude found often enough on these forums ... just sayin.
Other then that I agree with you.
That's why the release of STO is good news for EVE. The Trekkies that actually hate PvP and just want to fly spaceships and whine about how the fake physics aren't fake real enough will go away... hopefully. _ |
DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.05 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres Star Trek Online does have some real nice looking space environments though...
http://kotaku.com/5326397/all-the-star-trek-online-screens-youll-ever-need
Your standards are low, that's on par with Earth and Beyond.
They're probably using the same crummy environmental techniques as EVE; textured spheres for planets and flat sprites for the rings / nebulae.
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Laruant Wiggins
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:09:00 -
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Hmmm.
Theme Park (STO,SWTOR)
or
Playground (Eve)
I pick playground.
I will play the others but I will be here for a while.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:28:00 -
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The problem I would have with any other game is the lack of risk. I'm getting addicted to the fact 'everyone' wants to screw me over and is allowed to, while I have many ways to avoid that or even turn it around.
As an ex WOW player for years I never once got the buzz I get from EVE except perhaps when I was doing high level PVP and the result mattered.
I think once players see another game is fun but has no consequences they will miss EVE for all its faults.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:35:00 -
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Admittedly the crap people pull in EvE does allow you to recognize patterns. EvE is likely the only video game that does not fully let go of the real world. After EvE, everything else feels like watching a cartoon.
The day will come when WOW is looked back as the "AOL of MMOs". Advances in technology are going to make large operations like WOW too expensive against all of the new choices that will arise. Therefore EVE is more like the future of MMOs: less than a million players but a long-lasting game experience that evolves over time. Eventually there will be so many MMOs that everybody will manage somehow to find that kind of game that suits them perfectly. In that way, while many people play EvE and not the other games, and EvE makes no attempt to suit everybody while CCP is not a large company with overhead (and not run by marketers who are all about money).
Most WOW players will eventually find they are playing a game that attempts to satisfy everybody, and that never really lasts long over a course of years. Somebody mentioned in this thread that DAoC is still going. I know people who still play it, and indeed they will keep at it until the lights are out. However we can still count on fingers and toes how many MMOs per genre there are, and leaving out the quick fails, still have digits left over. But look at EvE as the future, and many games like it will be like this: less than half a million players, lots of player driven factors, but a variety of them to suit every need.
When all is said and done, it's good to see that the free market provides choices.
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2009.08.06 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Akor Flandres Star Trek Online does have some real nice looking space environments though...
http://kotaku.com/5326397/all-the-star-trek-online-screens-youll-ever-need
Your standards are low, that's on par with Earth and Beyond.
They're probably using the same crummy environmental techniques as EVE; textured spheres for planets and flat sprites for the rings / nebulae.
Most of those space environment screenshots are way better than Eve. Thats a damn shame though, because in game quality is no where near those. Kudos to Cryptic for modifying screenshots, again.
I think EVE should be worried for the PvE side. There are already huge amounts of people that grinds missions as a full time job in Eve. Most of them aren't very fond of PvP. If they game is a success, i can see large amounts of empire dwellers leaving.
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.06 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 06/08/2009 05:04:17
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Akor Flandres Star Trek Online does have some real nice looking space environments though...
http://kotaku.com/5326397/all-the-star-trek-online-screens-youll-ever-need
Your standards are low, that's on par with Earth and Beyond.
They're probably using the same crummy environmental techniques as EVE; textured spheres for planets and flat sprites for the rings / nebulae.
Most of those space environment screenshots are way better than Eve. Thats a damn shame though, because in game quality is no where near those. Kudos to Cryptic for modifying screenshots, again.
I think EVE should be worried for the PvE side. There are already huge amounts of people that grinds missions as a full time job in Eve. Most of them aren't very fond of PvP. If the game proves to be a success, i can see large amounts of empire dwellers leaving.
thats what im thinking, faction (LP) stuff will sky rocket in price (YAY), miners and mission runners... main source for the trit in the galaxy will start to fall short (YAY)... hmm maybe, economy wise, ST:O would be good for eve
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:58:00 -
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EVE Spaceships are best Spaceships. Startrek Spaceships are Girls Spaceships.
Wildfire - New Horizons |
James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver
They're probably using the same crummy environmental techniques as EVE; textured spheres for planets and flat sprites for the rings / nebulae.
The planets are in the process of being overhauled, I hear.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/08/2009 13:51:44
Originally by: Siona Windweaver Most of those space environment screenshots are way better than Eve. Thats a damn shame though, because in game quality is no where near those. Kudos to Cryptic for modifying screenshots, again.
I can understand them, though: the in-game videos make the graphics look like complete arse. If that's because there's something wrong with the video, I understand that they want to tart things up to compensate; if it's because it does look like that, then they really need to gloss it over somehow… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:21:00 -
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The only good thing about STO is the griefability of the player base.
Hardcore fanboys and, if I'm reading the forums right, furries.
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: James Vayne on 06/08/2009 14:25:05
Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 06/08/2009 13:51:44
Originally by: Siona Windweaver Most of those space environment screenshots are way better than Eve. Thats a damn shame though, because in game quality is no where near those. Kudos to Cryptic for modifying screenshots, again.
I can understand them, though: the in-game videos make the graphics look like complete arse. If that's because there's something wrong with the video
no there's nothing wrong with the video. It's simply polished, animated and rendered in an entirely different rendering engine to make it look as polished as it possibly can. This is the computer games industry's version of airbrushing the celebrity.
Yes, it does make the in-game graphics so much poorer for it. But that's just the way it's done.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: James Vayne It's simply polished, animated and rendered in an entirely different rendering engine to make it look as polished as it possibly can.
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Yes, it does make the in-game graphics so much poorer for it.
That builds confidence, let me tell you…
"Hey, we need to improve the looks of this thing for PR purposes — bring out the HQ renderer!!" "OMFGZ, now it looks even worse than before!!"
You know you have a problem when the graphics look more and more like crap the better tech you use to create it. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: James Vayne It's simply polished, animated and rendered in an entirely different rendering engine to make it look as polished as it possibly can.
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Yes, it does make the in-game graphics so much poorer for it.
That builds confidence, let me tell youà
"Hey, we need to improve the looks of this thing for PR purposes ù bring out the HQ renderer!!" "OMFGZ, now it looks even worse than before!!"
You know you have a problem when the graphics look more and more like crap the better tech you use to create it.
It's no different from having an affinity for your favourite celebrity because he/she looks oh so beautiful on-screen or in a magazine and then, one day, you meet them in real life and they're not one bit the person they looked liked in their airbrushed pictures. Suddenly you feel let down. Welcome to the 21st century and the realm of the fickle.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Vayne It's no different from having an affinity for your favourite celebrity because he/she looks oh so beautiful on-screen or in a magazine and then, one day, you meet them in real life and they're not one bit the person they looked liked in their airbrushed pictures. Suddenly you feel let down. Welcome to the 21st century and the realm of the fickle.
The difference is that the celebrities actually do look good on-screen, unlike these gameplay videos. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:56:00 -
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Eve is doomed. When ST online comes out, I am canceling my eleventy accounts !!!11!!
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres Star Trek Online does have some real nice looking space environments though...
http://kotaku.com/5326397/all-the-star-trek-online-screens-youll-ever-need
Looks too much like cartoon... Terrible, don't like at all.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 06/08/2009 17:11:12
Originally by: Kurfin Hollywood have managed one decent game, Goldeneye on the N64 was fantastic. It is probably the only one though.
Actually, I found X-wing: Alliance to be an excellent game. It did have several almost-gamebreaking bugs, though.
EDIT: And yes, Golden eye was awesome.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.08.06 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Akor Flandres Star Trek Online does have some real nice looking space environments though...
http://kotaku.com/5326397/all-the-star-trek-online-screens-youll-ever-need
Your standards are low, that's on par with Earth and Beyond.
They're probably using the same crummy environmental techniques as EVE; textured spheres for planets and flat sprites for the rings / nebulae.
EVE is my standard and I'd struggle to find any better looking space shots.
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Entreri Finwe
Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.07 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 06/08/2009 17:11:12
Originally by: Kurfin Hollywood have managed one decent game, Goldeneye on the N64 was fantastic. It is probably the only one though.
Actually, I found X-wing: Alliance to be an excellent game. It did have several almost-gamebreaking bugs, though.
EDIT: And yes, Golden eye was awesome.
Tie-Fighter was (is) god like...some levels was to hard before you got the good ships though...
Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
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