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mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 14:27:00 -
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for all those crying they only paid for the three titans stop crying, you have the same chance of winning when theres one titan as u did when there was 3!!
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Agrilad
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:31:00 -
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Well I just bought another 10 tickets. Puts me at 20 tickets. Wish my accidental purchase of 10 through corp would count. Then it would be 30.
Just think. If everyone that had already purchased tickets just purchased another set of them, the lottery would be coming close to being done.
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Ravager3k
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Agrilad Well I just bought another 10 tickets. Puts me at 20 tickets. Wish my accidental purchase of 10 through corp would count. Then it would be 30.
Just think. If everyone that had already purchased tickets just purchased another set of them, the lottery would be coming close to being done.
Good idea, ill buy 2 more.
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Mia Archer
Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: mentalmackem for all those crying they only paid for the three titans stop crying, you have the same chance of winning when theres one titan as u did when there was 3!!
you failed math didnt you
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Avon Meister
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:29:00 -
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BIG have created a lottery that's simply too big. The only options imo are either everybody waits the distance for 30k tickets to be sold or you sell the titans and give out isk prizes. Waiting the distance is the fairest option as you're sticking to the published rules but if either you (BIG) or the majority of the punters in this thread prefer that the lottery be settled sooner rather than months later, isk prizes are the next fairest option.
Compromises somewhere between those two options seem counter productive - the lottery will just drag on if you do something like hold the first titan draw, wait for more sales, do another, blah blah...
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Fassn
Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.29 03:26:00 -
[366]
Posted - 2009.08.06 18:25:00
Now - 2009.08.28 23:52 10.546 4
End - ?
I like big and all but I don't believe this lotto will end until like November .
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steave435
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.29 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Fassn Posted - 2009.08.06 18:25:00
Now - 2009.08.28 23:52 10.546 4
End - ?
I like big and all but I don't believe this lotto will end until like November .
I'd say you're being very optimistic. Go with the 1 titan (with a few extra small prizes) and refund people not happy with it, give them 24-48 hours or something to request one before doing the draw.
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SOLARISPRIME
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Posted - 2009.08.29 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ubijalec My two cent:
1. Run a draw now (1 titan) with the tickets you have.
2. Keep the same ticket pool from the first draw and keep the lotto open for people to keep buying tickets.
3. Set a min/max for the next draw. Example: 17000 - 20000 tickets and have a second draw.
4. For the last draw maybe add a few extra prizes to drum up extra support and when you reach 25500 - 30000 tickets you run the final draw.
---In doing this people still have the chance of winning 3 titan's as you conduct draw's in the certain increments people will maintain support and the last draw with the extra prizes could be like the finally. Like a fireworks display. :)
Unless I'm missing something this is common sense.
Best option :)
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Aloe Cloveris
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.30 04:58:00 -
[369]
When I sent my 30m, I knew I stood a snowball's chance in hell of seeing a titan or two or three come of it - that 30m was essentially a write-off that might've resulted in a (reallyreally) pleasant surprise. Whatever BIG does, I trust them to address this fairly.
How's this:
Draw 1 - Titan (one winner) Draw 2 - 2 or 3 Carriers (multiple winners) Draw 3 - 2 or 3 Dreads (multiple winners)
(or reverse the order with the Titan draw being the grand finale)
Reduce the 30k tix requirement to whatever covers the cost of the ships plus BIG's administrative fee/tax/whatever. Tix are good for all three draws. [Y/N]?
I be not gooder with the maths (it's late and my head's all fuzzy). Also. But. And. Would this sorta work? Like? ---------------------- Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer |
DioTuo
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Posted - 2009.08.30 14:01:00 -
[370]
i buy a ticket but not recive any recipe...
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mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.30 14:08:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Mia Archer
Originally by: mentalmackem for all those crying they only paid for the three titans stop crying, you have the same chance of winning when theres one titan as u did when there was 3!!
you failed math didnt you
please tell me how?!?!
if you had 1000 tickets before you had a 1000 out of 30000 chance in winning, if they draw only 1 titan u have a 1000 in 10000 chance of winning thus making it the same odds
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Lea Swiftfoot
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.08.30 17:48:00 -
[372]
bump
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:04:00 -
[373]
I've got an idea...
use them in alliance? Haven't seen LFA put a super cap on the field in yonks. Its probably cause we fail but it would be nice to have at least one titan...
muttermuttermutter.
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Tenchuu Khaan
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Posted - 2009.08.31 07:48:00 -
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I'd say, since some ppl don't like the idea of loosing their chance to win 3 Titans: Draw 1 Titan now. The tickets that have been sold so far can also be used for second and third draw. All Tickets that sell after the first draw will only count for second and third draw.
This way you won't loose anything, and you get the show on the road a bit so ppl don't have to wait that long. Win-Win Situation.
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Pixnator
Caldari The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tenchuu Khaan I'd say, since some ppl don't like the idea of loosing their chance to win 3 Titans: Draw 1 Titan now. The tickets that have been sold so far can also be used for second and third draw. All Tickets that sell after the first draw will only count for second and third draw.
This way you won't loose anything, and you get the show on the road a bit so ppl don't have to wait that long. Win-Win Situation.
I have to agree with this. Just start with the 3rd prize, then move to the 2nd prize as you reach 20000 tickets, and finally the 1st prize once you reached the 30000 tickets, win win for all.
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Zubasar
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Posted - 2009.08.31 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zubasar on 31/08/2009 12:39:09 i'd also lower the ticket minimum for the draw a bit since titans don't sell for 100bil these days but around 80 bill(without officer fit) you could at least lower the amount of tickets between 8k or 9k for the draw to take place that would make the draws faster...
your profit would lower from 40 bil to 25 bil per titan or something like it... but that's still an insane amount of isk
if you then use the system with spreading out the draws in 3 different times with people who already bought a ticket holding there tickets for the next drawings...
this should speed up things and keep everyone pleased
oh and to everyone who doesn't have a ticket yet... buy moar tickets!!!
good luck everyone!!
Zubs
p.s. i don't build titans so i don't know the costs, but i'm guessing i'm not that far off... correct me if i'm wrong...
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DarkOmegaD
Airhawk Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.08.31 21:55:00 -
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How bout an update on what is going on with this lotto? The longer that you delay in making a decision the less likely people are to trust in your lotto and those that already have tickets are just going to get more annoyed. Ya your going to **** off a few people but you'll also make more people happy. It's a crap situation but you gotta do what you gotta do (which hopefully doesn't include shafting the people who bought tickets )
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Amy Mouse
Intersteller Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.31 22:32:00 -
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SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT SHAFT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!! (do it after you get all 300 billion)
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Serj Darek
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Posted - 2009.08.31 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: mentalmackem
Originally by: Mia Archer
Originally by: mentalmackem for all those crying they only paid for the three titans stop crying, you have the same chance of winning when theres one titan as u did when there was 3!!
you failed math didnt you
please tell me how?!?!
if you had 1000 tickets before you had a 1000 out of 30000 chance in winning, if they draw only 1 titan u have a 1000 in 10000 chance of winning thus making it the same odds
Are you being serious?
What's better (not a trick question):
one out of ten one out of twenty one out of thirty
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Shuut U
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:48:00 -
[380]
Originally by: TornSoul Edited by: TornSoul on 24/08/2009 23:00:26
My apologies for the delayed response. RL has kept me away from EVE for a bit(*)
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As a gesture of goodwill/apology for the late response or whatever you wan't to call it, I'm going to waiver the firesale fee - aka any firesale will be done gratis. Not much else I can do atm...
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RE: BTTL receipt page not updating
Whoops DB script error...
Resulting in any BTTL tickets bought on or after the 20th getting marked as BIG Lottery tickets instead.
This has now been fixed. Aka all wrongly marked purchases has been reverted to what they should be (Ie. BTTL tickets instead of BIG Lottery tickets) - and the problem should not arise again.
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RE: BTTL ticket sales slowing down.
I'm really at a loss about what to do about this - and a bit surprised (and sad) about it as well.
I do know one thing though - No matter *what* I do (or not) someone will be unhappy and I'll recive alot of flack for it.
That is to say, I'm interested in finding a solution that will leave most people happy - And that I'm not particular biased as to what that solution will be, as I'll get shouted at regardless.
Some stats:
date tickets 6 677 7 1.142 8 706 9 615 10 2.869 11 1.949 12 840 13 303 14 242 15 108 16 237 17 257 18 49 19 126 20 36 21 93 22 63 23 47 24 58 total 10.417
Over the last week on average 67 tickets have sold per day. There is 30.000 - 10.417 = 19.583 tickets yet to be sold. That's 19.583 / 67 = 192 days = 6 months until the last ticket have sold.
I doubt many would like to wait that long... So what to do?
I'm all ear for suggestions.
I would like to point out, that if no consensus can be found, I will *have to* stick with the current rules - ie. the draw will be held when all 30K tickes have sold.
So try and be reasonable.
Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, I can make an ingame poll (for those with tickets) listing some of the suggestions made here.
The trouble is ofc that not all ticket holders will ever see that poll - nor this post...
But anyhow - Fire away.
(*) I'm currently painting my entire apartment - I now recall why it is I don't like painting... And it is taking *far far* longer than expected...
1. Refund all entries into your lottery - I didn't enter this lottery to win anything other than the chance at 3 titans. 2. Draw with less tickets than originally planned - You did a business venture and took a risk. It's not your customer's fault that it isn't working as planned for you.
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steave435
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:54:00 -
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If you have 1000 out of 30000 tickets with 3 titans being given out, your chance to win a titan in the first draw would be 3.3%, so your chance of not winning that specific titan would be 96.7%. Your chance of not winning any titan is therefore 96.7%^3=90.4%, so only a 9.6% chance to win a titan. If you have 1000 out of 10000 tickets and 1 titan is given out, the chance to win a titan is 10%, however, the first scenario makes up for this by offering the chance to win multiple titans. The chance to win all 3 titans would be 3.3%^3=0.36%.
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mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Serj Darek
Originally by: mentalmackem
Originally by: Mia Archer
Originally by: mentalmackem for all those crying they only paid for the three titans stop crying, you have the same chance of winning when theres one titan as u did when there was 3!!
you failed math didnt you
please tell me how?!?!
if you had 1000 tickets before you had a 1000 out of 30000 chance in winning, if they draw only 1 titan u have a 1000 in 10000 chance of winning thus making it the same odds
Are you being serious?
What's better (not a trick question):
one out of ten one out of twenty one out of thirty
ok your right its better chance with less tickets in the pot but my point still stands why are people crying about better odds?
and can BIG comment on this for the love of JITA :p
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Rorae
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Posted - 2009.09.01 04:58:00 -
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What if BIG where to "buy" the other lottery tickets? It would be a little bit of a gamble for them, but it would keep everyones odds the same, and would allow them to roll for all three titans. Basically you would have 10,000+ tickets from players, and the last 20,000 or so would belong to BIG. Chances are 2 of the titans would go back to BIG anyway, but this would silence the people complaining about not getting a chance at 3 titans. The only issue I can see is that you would have to get a third party to do the rolling or somehow make it visible.
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T'Amber
ships of eve
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rorae What if BIG where to "buy" the other lottery tickets? It would be a little bit of a gamble for them, but it would keep everyones odds the same, and would allow them to roll for all three titans. Basically you would have 10,000+ tickets from players, and the last 20,000 or so would belong to BIG. Chances are 2 of the titans would go back to BIG anyway, but this would silence the people complaining about not getting a chance at 3 titans. The only issue I can see is that you would have to get a third party to do the rolling or somehow make it visible.
Not a bad idea although the tickets are climbing @ 10,633 now, and he hasn't posted a final date.
-T
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Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 17:48:00 -
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Quote:
2. Draw with less tickets than originally planned - You did a business venture and took a risk. It's not your customer's fault that it isn't working as planned for you.
This is very much true tho, its pretty bad to change the lottery after customers bought tickets, whatever you change. Imho best solution would indeed to let it run for another month or so and than BIG buys the remaining tickets...
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general beanflicker
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Posted - 2009.09.01 18:36:00 -
[386]
1 ticket isk sent
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Sahib Saan
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:00:00 -
[387]
1 ticket please isk sent
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mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:20:00 -
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i like the idea of setting a end date for maybe 1 months time and any tickets not sold by then get bought by BIG and get a independant 3rd party to draw the tickets
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general beanflicker
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:20:00 -
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http://bttl.big-eve.com/Default.aspx from ingame board
Tickets sold so far : 10.645 Next ticket update : 2009.09.01 20:16:31
i can see this taking a looooooong time for 30k tickets sold to be reached but what t hey iv been in eve for ages so maybe worth the wait good lucjk to every one that buys a ticket
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Nguyen Phred
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:25:00 -
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Can we get the f**k on with this already? Gimme my money or have a drawing. For those of you who bought "a ticket for all three drawings" and refuse to accept anything less: suck it up because you're never going to get it. Do you seriously believe someone is going to take a loss on 2 Titans? |
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