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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:28:00 - [31] - Quote sweetrock wrote: I myself am guilty as well, I was planning on going into a wormhole and ganking relativly risk free PVE "carebears" so yeah Meh, going into some red's sov with a stealth bomber alt and afking around before ganking someone's ratting ship is the way to go :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1229	Posted - 2012.05.27 23:45:00 - [32] - Quote sweetrock wrote: Face it that guy ganking mission runners = risk free gate camps = risk free (run away when something comes) joining a large fleet = risk free can flipping and baiting = risk free a) Except when it's bait, or the MR isn't in a completely terrible corp and they DO something with their corp aggro on him b) Except when ... except what? These are far from risk free. Ask PL about gatecamping in supercaps c) BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LARGE FLEET TO EVER MEET A LARGER OR MORE ORGANISED ONE! Genius. d) People complain about a lot of things, but complaining about this is just the worst. Can flipper can be shot by the entire corporation he flips, and can't even shoot until he is aggressed. If the other guys weren't terrible and drooling onto their keyboards this would be a bad idea everytime. These things are only relatively low risk, in certain situations, because the opponents are terrible. Hardly their fault. Quote: I myself am guilty as well, I was planning on going into a wormhole and ganking relativly risk free PVE "carebears" so yeah Soon you'll be here saying the Drake is always bait and there's no risk in setting a trap Perspective is a wonderful thing. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:03:00 - [33] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: ese are far from risk free. Ask PL about gatecamping in supercaps Um.. heh. Tell me more about gatecamping in supercaps. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1229	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:35:00 - [34] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: ese are far from risk free. Ask PL about gatecamping in supercaps Um.. heh. Tell me more about gatecamping in supercaps. v0v Apparently it works best with smartbombs - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:38:00 - [35] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: ese are far from risk free. Ask PL about gatecamping in supercaps Um.. heh. Tell me more about gatecamping in supercaps. v0v Apparently it works best with smartbombs It seems like you might be in trouble if people armed with normal guns came around ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 799	Posted - 2012.05.28 01:06:00 - [36] - Quote My story First two weeks. I had no fear and went all over nullsec. Literally everywhere. Got implants. Turned into masterpussybitch for 6 months and never left highsec Now. Barely use them unless they are lowlevel I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Snow Burst RED.OverLord 11	Posted - 2012.05.28 02:28:00 - [37] - Quote sweetrock wrote: So i thought I'd take my pilgrim character out for a spin as it has 20days left on its subscription before it expires and boy ti wont be reniewed. Logged it on, laughed at the numbers of people online, then thought to myself, do i want to give CCP the numbers on their server, or even the impression that this guy is happy. The answer was no. I then thought about what i would be doing, a few wormhole ganks, i realised i was in my +5 clone with other +6% dmg implants all maxed out for speedy skill training. Now i certainly didnt want to loose this clone as its a few bils worth, and i certainly didnt want to jump clone into a unimplanted clone and vanish into the wormholes for a while, thus reducing the characters skill training on that all valuable 20days left. So i reached the conclusing taking all this into account, to come onto the forums and make another moan/whine/imbored thread, as even with the fullest intention to actualy have FUN on this GAME it was quickly squashed by game mechanics ure view is outnumbered by the majority of the population of eve i know this because people play it happily. you wont be missed simple as There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-aOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 913	Posted - 2012.05.28 04:22:00 - [38] - Quote sweetrock wrote: So i thought I'd take my pilgrim character out for a spin as it has 20days left on its subscription before it expires and boy ti wont be reniewed. ...... thus reducing the characters skill training on that all valuable 20days left. So i reached the conclusing taking all this into account, to come onto the forums and make another moan/whine/imbored thread, as even with the fullest intention to actualy have FUN on this GAME it was quickly squashed by game mechanics So you won't renew it's subscription, but you care that it trains AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE before you start never playing on it. Interesting. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1230	Posted - 2012.05.28 08:37:00 - [39] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: sweetrock wrote: So i thought I'd take my pilgrim character out for a spin as it has 20days left on its subscription before it expires and boy ti wont be reniewed. ...... thus reducing the characters skill training on that all valuable 20days left. So i reached the conclusing taking all this into account, to come onto the forums and make another moan/whine/imbored thread, as even with the fullest intention to actualy have FUN on this GAME it was quickly squashed by game mechanics So you won't renew it's subscription, but you care that it trains AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE before you start never playing on it. Interesting. When you you're an NPC corp alt you can remove logic from your argument and just throw in random unrelated issues ... or seemingly unconnected trivia. I'm half surprised this didn't turn into : "Can't afford to PVP because I need to do it in a Pilgrim (also implants, rarrrwgh!) and OTEC make the T2 hull/fitting expensive, QQ!" or "Let us have a PVP flag when we are using implants!" or ... IDK. They're endlessly creative yet forever in a rut. tl;dr - I need to whine about something that I don't like, so instead of simply stating such, I must try to attach it to a bunch of other issues and claim my issue BREAKS EVE PEOPLE and fix it nao. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 111	Posted - 2012.05.28 09:16:00 - [40] - Quote nate555 wrote: Waffles I approve of this message. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.

Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 31	Posted - 2012.05.28 13:20:00 - [41] - Quote sweetrock wrote: [quote=bongsmoke] My point was this is a game, ok a neiche game but still a game, and if you want to actualy have fun, the game mechanics penalise you for it Yes. Because "I'm having fun" is an objective concept and everybody does it the same way. You are not having fun, but not because of the game mechanics, but because you don't have enough balls to go and PvP with what? A billion or less in implants? The game is not to blame. You are not willing to take risks and complain that you can get no action, when it's not the case.
Snow Burst RED.OverLord 28	Posted - 2012.05.28 13:30:00 - [42] - Quote Darius Brinn wrote: sweetrock wrote: [quote=bongsmoke] My point was this is a game, ok a neiche game but still a game, and if you want to actualy have fun, the game mechanics penalise you for it Yes. Because "I'm having fun" is an objective concept and everybody does it the same way. You are not having fun, but not because of the game mechanics, but because you don't have enough balls to go and PvP with what? A billion or less in implants? The game is not to blame. You are not willing to take risks and complain that you can get no action, when it's not the case. +1 There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-aOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3
sweetrock State War Academy Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.05.28 13:59:00 - [43] - Quote Snow Burst wrote: Darius Brinn wrote: sweetrock wrote: [quote=bongsmoke] My point was this is a game, ok a neiche game but still a game, and if you want to actualy have fun, the game mechanics penalise you for it Yes. Because "I'm having fun" is an objective concept and everybody does it the same way. You are not having fun, but not because of the game mechanics, but because you don't have enough balls to go and PvP with what? A billion or less in implants? The game is not to blame. You are not willing to take risks and complain that you can get no action, when it's not the case. +1 Ok what action is this? 1v1? or going out solo ganking and the only likely fight you would find is against a fleet, whos members are all only in said fleet because they as you said "don't have enough balls to go and pvp" alone
sweetrock State War Academy Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:00:00 - [44] - Quote Just look at SiSi the ships modules etc cost 1 ISK.... and yet people still wont even enter a FFA without a fleet and even spam local for fleets
Snow Burst RED.OverLord 29	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:10:00 - [45] - Quote sweetrock wrote: Snow Burst wrote: Darius Brinn wrote: sweetrock wrote: [quote=bongsmoke] My point was this is a game, ok a neiche game but still a game, and if you want to actualy have fun, the game mechanics penalise you for it Yes. Because "I'm having fun" is an objective concept and everybody does it the same way. You are not having fun, but not because of the game mechanics, but because you don't have enough balls to go and PvP with what? A billion or less in implants? The game is not to blame. You are not willing to take risks and complain that you can get no action, when it's not the case. +1 Ok what action is this? 1v1? or going out solo ganking and the only likely fight you would find is against a fleet, whos members are all only in said fleet because they as you said "don't have enough balls to go and pvp" alone rofl tardy cakes doesnt understand people do other stuff then fleet ops in null fail There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-aOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3
Xavier Holtzman Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 28	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:38:00 - [46] - Quote sweetrock wrote: So i thought I'd take my pilgrim character out for a spin as it has 20days left on its subscription before it expires and boy ti wont be reniewed. Logged it on, laughed at the numbers of people online, then thought to myself, do i want to give CCP the numbers on their server, or even the impression that this guy is happy. The answer was no. I then thought about what i would be doing, a few wormhole ganks, i realised i was in my +5 clone with other +6% dmg implants all maxed out for speedy skill training. Now i certainly didnt want to loose this clone as its a few bils worth, and i certainly didnt want to jump clone into a unimplanted clone and vanish into the wormholes for a while, thus reducing the characters skill training on that all valuable 20days left. So i reached the conclusing taking all this into account, to come onto the forums and make another moan/whine/imbored thread, as even with the fullest intention to actualy have FUN on this GAME it was quickly squashed by game mechanics Ah yes, more attention seeking behavior. I don't know quite how to put this, but I believe you may have a psychiatric problem. You are showing all of the classic symptoms of somone suffering from Borderline Peronality Disorder. I've been finding more and more of them as of late on the EVE-O forums. As I've said to the other people suffering from this affliction, if the symptoms continue or you become a danger to yourself and/or others, please seek out the nearest psychiatric facility and ask for help. Inappropriate attention seeking, wild mood swings, and an overall inability to carry on normal relationships with people are definitely warning signs. It might be a good idea to find the others on this forum who are suffering from this terrible psychological affliction, and form a support group for each other. It should be easy to find them. In the meantime, please see your doctor and get on a strict regiment of mood stabilizers, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, and possibly some anti-anxiety medication. This should help treat the symptoms, though unfortunately there is no cure for Borderline Personality Disorder.
sweetrock State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:40:00 - [47] - Quote You really do preach alot of crap dont you, i suggest you put down the books, take a deep breath and go have fun, maybe have a laugh. Then you will realise not everything posted online is SERIOUS FACE!
sweetrock State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:41:00 - [48] - Quote Oh right, rat, moon mine and run exploration. gotya
March rabbit Trojan Trolls Red Alliance 180	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:46:00 - [49] - Quote sweetrock wrote: So i thought I'd take my pilgrim character out for a spin as it has 20days left on its subscription before it expires and boy ti wont be reniewed. Logged it on, laughed at the numbers of people online, then thought to myself, do i want to give CCP the numbers on their server, or even the impression that this guy is happy. The answer was no. I then thought about what i would be doing, a few wormhole ganks, i realised i was in my +5 clone with other +6% dmg implants all maxed out for speedy skill training. Now i certainly didnt want to loose this clone as its a few bils worth, and i certainly didnt want to jump clone into a unimplanted clone and vanish into the wormholes for a while, thus reducing the characters skill training on that all valuable 20days left. So i reached the conclusing taking all this into account, to come onto the forums and make another moan/whine/imbored thread, as even with the fullest intention to actualy have FUN on this GAME it was quickly squashed by game mechanics in short words: you did anything wrong and got wrong result. Which fail is it? Answer is obvious: CCP
AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.05.28 14:58:00 - [50] - Quote The problem being stated is not about pvp game mechanics. The problem here is that an item that is meant to be a buff is being viewed as "the precious". There are a lot of people that let small ** like this get in the way of doing anything fun in game, which is killing **. You have to ask yourself, is getting a few more SP per day really worth not trying to have fun in eve? You plan on leaving the game because you have got it in your head that these extra SP is what the game is about, but at the same time they are what making you leave the game. Since they are making you leave the game then clearly those SP are not that important as you are willing to let yourself unsub, thus negating all the extra Sp you pulled in by having the +5 imps in your noggin. Since the SP are failing to keep you around they clearly are not that important. Something else must be more important in a game for you to stick around, and you must ask yourself why protecting something that is not worth sticking with the game is going to take priority over the good parts of the game. The problem is not the pvp mechanics, if anything the problem is with the implants and the false importance that you have placed within their constant use and safety. Solution? One of the most liberating things you can do in eve is to lose a set of imps that you felt so worried about not getting the use and maintaining the safety of. The only need to truly maintain the imps is if you are training an alt while in hisec, or just starting the game and plan on staying in hisec. of course after a point there is no need for imps or even skill training if you are just going to stay in hisec. I know because I had hit that point on a main and realized that SP does not really mean much anymore beyond that. Maybe a few percentage points on an obscure skill that is rarely used, but if I cannot use the skills then what does it matter if I am getting more SP dumped into them?

Bad Messenger draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 139	Posted - 2012.05.28 15:00:00 - [51] - Quote You are paying from EVE, but why you pay for it? To get skills or to play game? On some point you will have enough skills to fly what you want with decent skills and you do not really know what to train next, only skills to train is weapon specs to lvl5 or something as marginal skills, so your current phase is just phase which is soon over and problem solved.
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 31	Posted - 2012.05.28 16:02:00 - [52] - Quote sweetrock wrote: Snow Burst wrote: Darius Brinn wrote: sweetrock wrote: [quote=bongsmoke] My point was this is a game, ok a neiche game but still a game, and if you want to actualy have fun, the game mechanics penalise you for it Yes. Because "I'm having fun" is an objective concept and everybody does it the same way. You are not having fun, but not because of the game mechanics, but because you don't have enough balls to go and PvP with what? A billion or less in implants? The game is not to blame. You are not willing to take risks and complain that you can get no action, when it's not the case. +1 Ok what action is this? 1v1? or going out solo ganking and the only likely fight you would find is against a fleet, whos members are all only in said fleet because they as you said "don't have enough balls to go and pvp" alone OK. I'll bite. First of all, you were talking about a Pilgrim. Not only a worthy all-in-one exploration vessel (if you enjoy scanning and running sites and killing NPCs, to reap the rewards). It's only a very good cloaky ganker. With it, you can risk it into 0.0 or Low Sec, prowl the space there looking for locals and choose your victims. People DO go alone for many things: Planetary interaction, mining, hauling without a proper setup, ratting... You can look for Hulks near your High sec of choice and declare a few wars to industry corporations, looking for careless miners who don't check or don't care about local. Hell, use a Locator and find me. I'm a terrible player and easy to gank. Then come here and boast about it to no end, man! If nothing can convince you that fun can be (and in fact, is) achieved in the game, I kindly suggest you contract said Pilgrim to me. I promise you I'll put it to good use.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1232	Posted - 2012.05.28 16:32:00 - [53] - Quote sweetrock wrote: Just look at SiSi the ships modules etc cost 1 ISK.... and yet people still wont even enter a FFA without a fleet and even spam local for fleets This is a fallacy brought about by your population sample; you reference a server with no consequences and then think it odd the people choosing to play there are averse to loss or risk? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 692	Posted - 2012.05.28 16:43:00 - [54] - Quote I am confuse.. You are ending your subscription but worried about implants and training time? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Haulie Berry 125	Posted - 2012.05.28 16:48:00 - [55] - Quote You sound like prey.
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 307	Posted - 2012.05.28 17:06:00 - [56] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Wait till you get Cybernetics V and can fly multiple command ships. Then... your friends wanna do a shield fleet, a few hours later they wanna do armor. So few leadership pilots around who can use the mindlink, and you gotta tell your buds that they gotta wait a day. Zagdul you got 777 likes. Something must be done. .
MIkhail Illiad Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 36	Posted - 2012.05.28 18:10:00 - [57] - Quote sweetrock wrote: So i thought I'd take my pilgrim character out for a spin as it has 20days left on its subscription before it expires and boy ti wont be reniewed. Logged it on, laughed at the numbers of people online, then thought to myself, do i want to give CCP the numbers on their server, or even the impression that this guy is happy. The answer was no. I then thought about what i would be doing, a few wormhole ganks, i realised i was in my +5 clone with other +6% dmg implants all maxed out for speedy skill training. Now i certainly didnt want to loose this clone as its a few bils worth, and i certainly didnt want to jump clone into a unimplanted clone and vanish into the wormholes for a while, thus reducing the characters skill training on that all valuable 20days left. So i reached the conclusing taking all this into account, to come onto the forums and make another moan/whine/imbored thread, as even with the fullest intention to actualy have FUN on this GAME it was quickly squashed by game mechanics Bye-bye you won't be missed.... There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-a

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