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Trevor92
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Posted - 2009.08.09 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor92 on 09/08/2009 02:56:11 Hi Forgive me for I am kinda new to this game, but how does a tech 2 frigate beat a battleship I know that tech 2 items are special and all but does this game respect the bigger gun?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.09 02:58:00 -
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No. Bigger isn't better in EVE. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.09 02:58:00 -
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Bigger guns are the problem, the big battleships guns can't track the little T2 frig. At that point the only tough part for the Frig is for it to kill the Battleship. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Muhammed Jafar
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Posted - 2009.08.09 02:59:00 -
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what is this i don't even
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Trevor92
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir Bigger guns are the problem, the big battleships guns can't track the little T2 frig. At that point the only tough part for the Frig is for it to kill the Battleship.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Instead of getting another battleship I might look into these tech 2 frigates.
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Professor Tarantula
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor92
Originally by: Commander Yassir Bigger guns are the problem, the big battleships guns can't track the little T2 frig. At that point the only tough part for the Frig is for it to kill the Battleship.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Instead of getting another battleship I might look into these tech 2 frigates.
Just put some medium or small drones in your BS.
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MaxxOmega
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:06:00 -
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With a good BS you can throw beer cans out it's windows. At Warp they make great projectiles...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 09/08/2009 03:10:18
Originally by: Trevor92
Originally by: Commander Yassir Bigger guns are the problem, the big battleships guns can't track the little T2 frig. At that point the only tough part for the Frig is for it to kill the Battleship.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Instead of getting another battleship I might look into these tech 2 frigates.
That won't help either — there are plenty of things that will kill T2 frigates. What you need to look into is what's best for the situation, because it will never be the same thing.
No ship or type of ship will be capable of handling every situation you come across, and all ships have huge weaknesses that others can exploit. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor92 Edited by: Trevor92 on 09/08/2009 02:56:11 Hi Forgive me for I am kinda new to this game, but how does a tech 2 frigate beat a battleship I know that tech 2 items are special and all but does this game respect the bigger gun?
Doesn't have to be a tech 2 frigate either.
All sizes of guns have a maximum speed at which they can swivel on their mounts to follow a given target. This is called the "tracking speed", and is determined by gun size. Small track better (faster) than medium, medium track faster than large, etc.
I frigate can easily get "under the guns" of a battleship, providing the pilot knows what he's doing. Once there the battle**** can't hit him, unless the BS has smartbomb/missiles/drones.
The problem is, getting withint hat range without being one-shotted, then keeping the BS in one place long enough for the frigate's damage to chew through the BS'a shields/armor.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:15:00 -
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was the BS afk? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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wickedpheonix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia all ships have huge weaknesses that others can exploit.
Except for FALCON... and these Titan x27 fleets.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 04:14:00 -
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I killed a navy raven with an Ishkur once while his corp mates watched in horror in their mission in high sec.
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.09 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky I killed a navy raven with an Ishkur once while his corp mates watched in horror in their mission in high sec.
ya but did u bring damage types that mirrored what he wasn't tanking that mish with? >.> ======= Homeworld Hamachi Network
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Genesis Black
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Posted - 2009.08.09 04:59:00 -
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Hi Trevor,
I'm the guy who killed your Mega. I suggest you fit your ship properly when you roam in low-sec, have an understanding of pvp fundamentals at least, and play more before you risk ships like that Mega. I have to admit, I had a good laugh when I watched it blow up..
Here is the link to a killmail showing what you had fitted. I would cross reference it with builds on Battleclinic or something... might see the error in your fitting. o7
http://epicfail.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=details&kill=433
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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 05:06:00 -
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thats a horrible lol fit.
1. Your guns were (mostly) small enough to track it, except that most of the small guns were rails which have horrid tracking.
2. Don't mix n' match guns like that, stick to only heavy blasters/rails for pvp/missioning respectively.
3. Fit some pvp trinity (MWD or AB/web/point/cap booster if needed)
4. Fit a real tank 4a. Passive buffer tank = a few 1600mm plates, 1x DC II, 2x EANM II's and maybe a hardener 4b. Active armor tank (more appropriate for hype..) = 2x LAR II, 2x EANM, as many hardeners as possible 4c. Get some med/light drones = 5x Hammerhead II's and at least 5x Warrior II's 4d. DON'T F'in FLY A BATTLESHIP UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT U R DOING!!!! 4e. OR ANY T2 SHIP FOR THAT MATTER, ESPECIALLY IN LOW SEC. -sig-
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.09 05:07:00 -
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That's pretty terrible.. those aren't even large-sized guns. Clearly Trevor92 trained straight to battleships without training ANY support skills, not even the skill to use large hybrid turrets.
I hope that this learning experience illustrates for Trevor and any other new player who might read this thread that just because a ship is larger (and more expensive) it doesn't make it "better".
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.09 05:23:00 -
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Erm...for future reference...more things can go in the low and mid slots. Usefull things. Things that make frigates less likely to kill you.
Unless that is a killmail bug.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i am your brain on boosters lol
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.09 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor92 Edited by: Trevor92 on 09/08/2009 02:56:11 Hi Forgive me for I am kinda new to this game, but how does a tech 2 frigate beat a battleship I know that tech 2 items are special and all but does this game respect the bigger gun?
It depends.
Battleships will win in a direct fight. Not because its guns hit harder...on the contrary, no decent frigate pilot will be touched by a BS' main guns. BS can have neuts, BS have longer range, BS have epic tanks... Most mportantly, BS have drones.
However, frigates have defenses against these. They can whittle tanks down, they can shoot the drones...
In general, BS > frigates for a 1v1 fight. However, frigates get MASSIVE mobility. In reality, frigates are balanced out by the fact that
a) a BS will NEVER catch a frigate. If a frigate doesn't want to fight a battleship, eh wont. A battleship never has any choice.
b) Frigates are cheaper.
Point A is ****ing huge. Last night I roamed around Syndicate with three frigates. We were able to avoid getting ganked by HUGE groups just because we were so small and fast. Most of them were cruiser groups, yet we controlled the fight always; we were never forced into a fight we didn't want to fight.
also, I never saw any battleships while I was in there. That's because everyone knows that if they brought BS, they would be totally unable to catch anything, and they'd die horribly when a larger group came along.
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Chancellor Tiberon
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:01:00 -
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Heres somethong also to throw in there if by chance the person who is getting reaady to attack you scans you or has freind scan you ahead of time the scan can help person attacking you how to attack you
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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/08/2009 06:29:06 That is the worst Mega fit I have ever seen. I would be surprised if it could kill a Rifter flown by someone who knows what he's doing.
Stick with frigs until you figure out how to fit your ship and fly it in pvp. Get EvE Fitting Tool if you haven't already.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:37:00 -
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Trevor92, i sent you a message ingame with some important info you might find rather useful in future _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor92
Originally by: Commander Yassir Bigger guns are the problem, the big battleships guns can't track the little T2 frig. At that point the only tough part for the Frig is for it to kill the Battleship.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Instead of getting another battleship I might look into these tech 2 frigates.
Or understand that there is no ship in the game that cannot be killed by something else. Bring friends.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor92 how does a tech 2 frigate beat a battleship
By having the battleship flown by somebody that has no clue how to fit it properly.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:15:00 -
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That Mega seems to have been bought at a garage sale so I guess the loss wasn't that big. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Jim Nakamura
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:25:00 -
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Spend some time reading the Ships and Modules forums, look at louadouts on Battleclinic, and play with EFT to work out how to fit a ship properly. That fit is absolutely dreadful and demonstrates a complete failure to understand even basic principles of making a decent loadout.
Big ships without the support skills to fly them properly, and with a hilariously bad fit, will get you killed super-fast. You'll be doing yourself a massive favour if you go back to a cruiser, or even a frigate, for a while until your skills are up to par before you even think about setting foot in a battleship again. Just because you *can* fly a BS after a couple of weeks training doesn't mean it's in any way a good idea.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:34:00 -
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Any properly skilled BS will force any frigate to flee in short order. There are no exceptions. However, this requires the BS pilot to view frigates as a threat and fit at least one batch of light drones, preferably warrior II's, to deal with them. Large turrets and missiles simply can't hit frigates close up and so you must rely on drones to chase them off. A frigate's high speed also makes actually pinning one down next to impossible so with drones, the best you can really hope for is to force them to retreat. That said a single BS can force a small frigate gang to retreat with no trouble if you carry multiple sets of light drones.
In my opinion, frigates are typically useless except as suicide tacklers. I don't fly inties/AF's for the simple reason that they offer no performance advantage in the tackling role over a t1 frig costing far less. Yes they are faster and have more tank, but they still get 1 shotted so it just doesn't matter. -----------------------------------------------------
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:36:00 -
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rofl
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VoiceInTheDesert
Inroads
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar Any properly skilled BS will force any frigate to flee in short order. There are no exceptions. However, this requires the BS pilot to view frigates as a threat and fit at least one batch of light drones, preferably warrior II's, to deal with them. Large turrets and missiles simply can't hit frigates close up and so you must rely on drones to chase them off. A frigate's high speed also makes actually pinning one down next to impossible so with drones, the best you can really hope for is to force them to retreat. That said a single BS can force a small frigate gang to retreat with no trouble if you carry multiple sets of light drones.
In my opinion, frigates are typically useless except as suicide tacklers. I don't fly inties/AF's for the simple reason that they offer no performance advantage in the tackling role over a t1 frig costing far less. Yes they are faster and have more tank, but they still get 1 shotted so it just doesn't matter.
I'm not sure I agree with you really. A lot of BS are plated these days. If I managed to find a lone, plated BS with my ishkur, I think I'd probably be able to kill it (unless I ran out of ammo). Some BS are better equipped than others to deal with frigs (domi, phoon, geddon), but a lot of them have smallish drone bays and even if they do have a full flight of t2 warriors/hobs, I am more than capable of killing those before they kill me.
In short, BS should never roam or fight alone. They will get caught by something and there's nothing worse than being slowly gnawed to death by something 1/20th your size.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:58:00 -
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A frigate is nothing, what you really should fear are the durn command ships. They're fitted to handle anything in any situation really
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Genesis Black Hi Trevor,
I'm the guy who killed your Mega. I suggest you fit your ship properly when you roam in low-sec, have an understanding of pvp fundamentals at least, and play more before you risk ships like that Mega. I have to admit, I had a good laugh when I watched it blow up..
Here is the link to a killmail showing what you had fitted. I would cross reference it with builds on Battleclinic or something... might see the error in your fitting. o7
http://epicfail.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=details&kill=433
On the plus side, at least he didn't have Heat Sinks in the lows. Otherwise, ouch.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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