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Oddball Six
Oddball Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:15:00 -
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I do not live in my mother's basement.
I am fortunate enough to have full time employment as a fairly successful Solution Architect for a Global consulting firm. I play from a custom built home office and hotels all over the United States. My identity is defined as a father, a husband, and a businessman. Eve has woven itself in as an on-again, off-again diversion where for the last three years I can apply business acumen and some custom tools to build an industrial marketer and manufacturer.
Eve is a fun low pressure environment where I make the conscious choice to forgo combat and low sec rewards to maintain the low stress nature of this pursuit.
Recently, I was killed mining and even podded in high sec. Losses in my ship of 300mil plus, implant losses of something on the order of a billion and change. Why? Because CCP has chosen by its inaction to allow a loose coalition of players to reward collective behavior against the engineered system of penalties and policies that are intended to make high security zones a low risk, low reward environment.
I petition CCP to consider the policy and natural violations that the inaction to date represent, and also suggest a system of natural Consequences which may be of use in curbing such competitions like 'hulkageddon' - or at least limit them to the low- and null-sec systems where they belong.
Recognizing the Violations of CCP Policy
An external competition like hulkageddon depends upon players allying and indeed competing to determine which player is most willing to ignore the disincentives engineered into the game which protect players who participate in high security systems. Indeed the competition organizers have created systematic logs denoting and ridiculing the expressions of distress or outrage by affected players:
Quote:" The same cannot be said for the 5000 poor fools that have been deshipped in the first half of this yearGÇÖs Hulkageddon, with over a trillion isk in damages done so far. This hulkageddon has exceeded our wildest expectations. I am so very proud of all our great competitors, and remember the race for the gold is not yet over!" - http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/?p=96
Yet CCP has denoted conduct such as this which determines to interfere with the operation of the system and the enjoyment of other players as verboten through at least two provisions.
Quote:"Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. " -http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
The terms of service at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp specifically forbids role playing that interferes with others enjoyment of the game as well as forbidding conduct which disallows others to enjoy the game.
By organizing large scale operations to eliminate players engaging in high sec mining operations, and entire sector of game play is disrupted. By CCP's own statistics, thousands of players have already been affected in this way to date.
Quote:"A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." -http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
In the Knowledge Base published by CCP, as well, we find a definition of griefing and its specific prohibition of players deriving a significant portion of their time to game tactics that derive their enjoyment through the harassment of other players ourside of genuine pvp conflict such as corporation wars.
Recognizing Inaction as Counter to Real Life Analogs
One of the other clear guides CCP has applied to player conduct is the consideration of the real life treatment of the analog of the player conduct in a real society.
Were a real life band to conspire to affect markets by systematically attacking mining operations, there is ample precedent to recognize that governments and international organizations would act.
The grounds to do so are numerous.
- Systematic attacks on the unarmed
- Collusion to manipulate market dynamics
- Collusion to destroy an entire class of entity
We would see concerted action on multiple fronts from the US, the EU, and the UN. Antitrust hearings. Courts and tribunals. Resolutions and committees.
CCPs response in the role of the international arbitration? Absent.
A Simple Response
I would suggest the response is simple and two pronged.
- Concord notices the drop in the markets and in order to ensure the supposed stability of the universe, have placed a couple of concord ships resident in high sec asteroid belts only in addition to their current locations.
- CCP begins warning and taking action against blatant high sec offenders.
Anecdotal evidence has already started to surface of player discontent with allowing these actions to remain unpunished and indeed unrestrained. I question how long CCP will wait to allow bands of players to flagrantly collude to ignore intended game mechanics and deny greater segments of the player base the enjoyment of the chosen virtual profession that keeps the real-life game revenue coming in. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:20:00 -
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I have no KM to go on so I will assume you failed to tank your ship while mining when a very well known event was going on. Welcome to EVE, a PVP game full of nasty pirates and terrorists who love people who fail to protect themselves in even the most basic way.
Best you get used to EVE as it is not advertised as a dark and hostile game for nothing. |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:22:00 -
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I agree with you OP, Hulkageddon is turning thousands away from Eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1329447#post1329447
But CCG (-oon) will do little or nothing. Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
ShipToaster
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:24:00 -
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Sandbox. Begin |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:24:00 -
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Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died. |
Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:27:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:Sandbox.
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Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
188
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died.
Really? In 2010, I really can't remember less than 50k players on weekends, sometimes around 58k.
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
564
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:27:00 -
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You are investing time into something you don't really understand, Mr. Successful Real-Life Businessman Married With Children.
You see, this is a video game that focuses on conflict, scamming, violence, murder, and sociopathy. This is not a family-friendly pastime created for the enjoyment and benefit of working family men to unwind after a hard day of shaking hands and having power lunches. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:31:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:
Really? In 2010, I really can't remember less than 50k players on weekends, sometimes around 58k.
Because players online at any one time is the same as active subs. |
Llywelyn Emrys
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:31:00 -
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Think of EVE as a libertarian paradise.
The government (CCP) will not do anything to save you.
You have to do it yourself. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:33:00 -
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World of Warcraft ---------------------------> If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:39:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died. Really? In 2010, I really can't remember less than 50k players on weekends, sometimes around 58k.
2010 was before Incarna. The server pop hasn't recovered from that yet, but it's steadily climbing. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
512
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:41:00 -
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Honestly, I think you could have started here - "Recently, I was killed mining and even podded in high sec." Why do we need to hear your life story before you go on about being killed? lol
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:42:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:My identity is defined as a father, a husband, and a businessman. No, your identity is defined as a "highsec miner" and a "carebear."
Proposal
- EVE players continue to destroy your ships and pod you at every opportunity.
I eagerly await your considered response. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:43:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13478516 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13478515
1.9 bil implants plugged in head, prefers to leave midslots empty rather then fit tanking modules |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:46:00 -
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OP left out the part about his asian kickboxing girlfriend. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:46:00 -
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The mids aren't empty. He does have that tracking computer in there. |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:48:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:Quote:"Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. " -http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
Well reasoned and thought out.
And indeed the Policy above is constantly violated by the Goons and the CFC period. Even SONY said "They sure bring great content".
(Hulkageddon I must remain neutral about. As long as it's a temporary event I find it rather exciting. This time around though it is unfortunately coinciding with a huge Goon death squad campaign as well. But that is not the fault of Helicity Boson, the organizer of Hulkageddon).
All I can figure at this point is Vikings will inflict their culture and ways on the unwilling as they always have. It's a real mess. Good luck dealing with it all if you do stick around. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
72
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:49:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell, nice gank :) If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:50:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:The mids aren't empty. He does have that tracking computer in there.
It's an Omni-Directional Tracking Link because.... o.0 Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:The mids aren't empty. He does have that tracking computer in there. It's an Omni-Directional Tracking Link because.... o.0
To track all those nano rocks |
Sara XIII
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:56:00 -
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Why didn't you tank your Hulk.
WHY? Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:56:00 -
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ask CCP Phantom, as he/she told me, "there is no room for fuzziness in TOS or EULA" Since he/she should be a beacon of enlightenment, lets see if we get a response. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
72
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:59:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:ask CCP Phantom, as he/she told me, "there is no room for fuzziness in TOS or EULA" Since he/she should be a beacon of enlightenment, lets see if we get a response.
HTFU If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:06:00 -
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0/10 not even remotely convincing There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:09:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:You are investing time into something you don't really understand, Mr. Successful Real-Life Businessman Married With Children.
You see, this is a video game that focuses on conflict, scamming, violence, murder, and sociopathy. This is not a family-friendly pastime created for the enjoyment and benefit of working family men to unwind after a hard day of shaking hands and having power lunches. Dangit, i can't bold and underline that sentence more. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:10:00 -
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Wow! That hurt OP.
No mid slot shield help? You had a head full of shield implants and not even an Invul field or extender?
But I do agree it's a sad commentary on the state of this game that CCP thinks suicide ganking is a viable form of PvP.
It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1021
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:12:00 -
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npc corp highsec miners are literally giving you valid fitting advice |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
228
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:12:00 -
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I've got a solution for ya, Mr Solution Architect, try learning what the game is about, grow some balls and teeth and maybe you won't be such an easy target.
If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:15:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Oddball Six wrote:My identity is defined as a father, a husband, and a businessman. No, your identity is defined as a "highsec miner" and a "carebear." Proposal
- EVE players continue to destroy your ships and pod you at every opportunity.
I eagerly await your considered response. Only you need to agree if it's about ganking. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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