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Tyraenin
Black Rebel Rifter Club
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:54:00 -
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I have to marvel at the sheer sense of entitlement the OP has. This game is about taking something from somoene else. You grief other miners because every rock you chew up with your Hulk is one less rock that another miner is able to mine. Ergo, you have taken resources from another player - Griefer.
But if someone takes something away from you, you somehow feel wronged and come here and whine. You are not the first and I have no doubt that you won't be the last. At the end of the day though. the collective whine is the demon spawn of a over-inflated sene of entitlement.
You have assets in the game. There is even an icon on the Neocom labeled "Assets" and you feel entitled to have those assets and don't feel as though you should be troubled to have to defend them. All the shinies are yours! The lesson to take from this is to consider the consequences of your actions just as Kaeda Maxwell did when she exploded your Hulk (that you refused to defend) and then your pod (which you refused to defend). There are also consequences to your inaction.
I would say if this is difficult for you to swallow you will continue to have your shinies taken away from you.
Regards.
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
96
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:58:00 -
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How is that these "casuals" don't seem to get that their subscription is just a convenient cash grab by ccp. They don't matter as they come and go all the time. Thanks for injecting cash into ccp's wallet so they can keep developing the game for those that get it. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
124
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:58:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:
Which are clearly effective [/sarcasm].
I think that's the problem, none of these are particularly effective in a high sec zone. Particularly when these individuals are able to dock at stations, etc, as if nothing had happened.
You give em an inch and they take a ******* mile.
Insurance payouts were recently taken away for losses caused by concord. That change made a lot of sense and forced gankers to make things a little more cost effective.
So you want to take more? Why not just request the removal of non-consensual pvp from hisec seeing as thats what youll be asking for 3 months after they introduced said fines...
...and another thing; there's nothing more vile being spilled out by you lot than the claim that you should be allowed to mine in peace because after all this is a sandbox game and youre free to do whatever you like. God forbid anyone trying to stop you because as we all know its a sandbox game... |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:59:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:ShipToaster wrote:Sandbox.
High sec dosent means safety.
High sec is that place you spawn and after you see how sh*t it is you move along to other endeavours, where your security is provided by other fellow and known players, not some dummy npc's. ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Mercy Kills
Reapers...
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:07:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Hello Oddball, ......[omitted for character limit -Mercy] Lets move on to the matter at hand shall we, your Hulk and pod that so unfortunately (for you) died due to my actions in Bahromab, which you seem to think is some random act of griefing. Since arguing opinions would be a futile exercise I shall instead share with you the work that went into accomplishing your virtual demise in this instance. And some views on EVE as a game. As you may or may not have noticed I'm -10.0 which means operating in hisec takes some doing, so lets start with that. In order to find targets I use an alt, unlike most gankers my alt isn't exactly inconspicuous had you paid attention to local in Bahromab you would have noticed Kohana Maxwell. She was around for quite a while as you switched belts several times before you finally (almost) stayed put. Had you paid any attention to your directional scanner you would have also noticed combat probes following you around from belt to belt. Anyway I digress. Once I seized you up to be a viable target I undocked from Youl station, which is in hisec (0.8), and warped to an undock bookmark I had made earlier using said alt. Then I proceed to head over to Bahromab which is a 7 jump journey since I have to avoid the busy system of Madirmilire which often has suicide gankers of a different brand present who would happily explode my flashy red catalyst upon entering the system. Regardless that is 7 jumps on which any alert players can end my endeavour there and then. Eventually I arrived in Kudi, one jump away from you, sadly for me you at this point decided to switch belts again so I spend the next 3 or 4 minutes bouncing between celestials in Kudi with the Amarr Navy in hot pursuit. Meanwhile waiting for you to pick a new belt (Planet 5 Belt 1 if I recall correctly) and dual boxing keeping Kaeda alive and moving and relocating probes on Kohana to get a decent warp in. When this finally happened I came into system had Kohana squad warp Kaeda on top of you and exploded your hulk and indeed you pod. Which turned out to be quite the rewarding killmail indeed. Afterwards I salvaged the wreck and looted I think a single T2 stripminer the result of which only just about covered the cost of my T2 fitted catalyst. Which hadn't it been for the well nice pod mail would have made me consider it a mediocre gank, I like to actually run a profit on them. You see and this is where we differ in opinion, what you call griefing isn't in fact griefing so much. I make decent ISK ganking miners I wrote a lengthy blog on it here. Yes obviously Hulkageddon provides added value (for me), I'll even admit I would have done other things in May in EVE had it not been Hulkageddon. I don't even do it for the tears which I also wrote a lengthy blog about actually. But that said a competition to liven things up a little, plus chatting with other gankers and all in all Hulkageddon is quite the worthwhile content to me. And Helicity is a star for putting in the time to organize and administer it all if you ask me. Anyway Oddball, I don't think we are very likely to ever agree on what comprises 'fun gameplay', but I would like to point out that when you come to a sandbox game you might want to keep in mind that what you consider 'fun' or 'worthwhile' might not even be recognizable as such by somebody else in the same sandbox. You may think of me as some random griefer, while in fact I'm having a lot of fun working around the fact I'm -10.0 and attempting to make a profit ganking miners in hisec despite it (and succeeding). You don't however see me going onto the forums and writing some wall of text quoting the EULA to try and get CCP to remove mining from the sandbox because I don't consider it fun or entertaining, I'd appreciate it if you'd at least consider providing us 'griefers' the same courtesy. At the end of the day EVE is a a sandbox and a PvP game that you and I both willingly subscribe too and I may assume (I hope) while being aware of both these things. Yet here you are pleading to CCP to invalidate a gameplay style you don't agree with for mostly no other reason then that it interferes with your own. Nothing is stopping you from interfering with my playstyle for the record, and I mean in game within EVE's existing framework and rules (instead of by trying to get CCP to change the rules). Such is the very nature and beauty of EVE. I look forward to your cunning ingame revenge. I promise not to post a lengthy post on the forums begging CCP's aide when it happens. Peace, Kaeda out. p.s. After the 29th I'll be out in lowsec and null again you'll be pleased to learn, contrary to popular myth being a ganker and a pvp'er aren't mutually exclusive.
And this...this right here is just one example of why I love this game and always come back. Just the amount of strategy, tactics, and subterfuge that went into the destruction of ONE ship, you multiply it by a couple of thousand and you only just begin to get the larger picture of why this game is like no other and it's fanbase, while small, is strongly devoted. Plus we're collectively smarter than other communities, too. ;)
Thanks for sharing your story, Kaeda.
-Mercy |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1756
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:07:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:(words) Well said. What you described is emergent gameplay at its finest, overcoming obstacles by using skill and creativity, in order to carry out a goal. And the OP thinks this should be against the EULA.
I wish people like the OP would take this into consideration. Should players like Kaeda Maxwell be banned for playing EVE to the fullest, all so highsec miners can grab a coffee and be guaranteed to find their ship still intact when they return?
These are the two visions of EVE's future, and there cannot be any compromise. Either the OP's fail-fit hulk is invincible, or it is not. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:09:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Only one reason why so-called "pirates" would want to "ply their trade" in high sec - it's EASY.
Because you make it easy. eh |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:09:00 -
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Welsige wrote:High sec dosent means safety.
High sec is that place you spawn and after you see how sh*t it is you move along to other endeavours, where your security is provided by other fellow and known players, not some dummy npc's. What, really.
Don't most just stay in highsec for their endeavors? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
125
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:14:00 -
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Welsige wrote:
where your security is provided by other fellow and known players
That doesnt sound like deklein |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
581
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:18:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:So you want to take more? Why not just request the removal of non-consensual pvp from hisec seeing as thats what youll be asking for 3 months after they introduced said fines... They've been doing this for over half a decade.
And slowly getting there. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:21:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:So you want to take more? Why not just request the removal of non-consensual pvp from hisec seeing as thats what youll be asking for 3 months after they introduced said fines... They've been doing this for over half a decade. And slowly getting there. You have to do it incrementally. A small "adjustment" here, some "trweaking" there, a midge of "compromise".
And then you reach the magic button and slam it with the force of three strip miners hitting a veldspar rock. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I have no KM to go on so I will assume you failed to tank your ship while mining when a very well known event was going on. Welcome to EVE, a PVP game full of nasty pirates and terrorists who love people who fail to protect themselves in even the most basic way.
Best you get used to EVE as it is not advertised as a dark and hostile game for nothing.
Boilerplate Goon lying.
Hulk's cannot be tanked in any reasonable way.
Fly covetors not hulks. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:29:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Oddball Six wrote:
Which are clearly effective [/sarcasm].
I think that's the problem, none of these are particularly effective in a high sec zone. Particularly when these individuals are able to dock at stations, etc, as if nothing had happened.
You give em an inch and they take a ******* mile. Insurance payouts were recently taken away for losses caused by concord. That change made a lot of sense and forced gankers to make things a little more cost effective. So you want to take more? Why not just request the removal of non-consensual pvp from hisec seeing as thats what youll be asking for 3 months after they introduced said fines... ...and another thing; there's nothing more vile being spilled out by you lot than the claim that you should be allowed to mine in peace because after all this is a sandbox game and youre free to do whatever you like. God forbid anyone trying to stop you because as we all know its a sandbox game...
Why don't we take your CYNO blankie and your Local blankie away? |
baltec1
1203
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:30:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Boilerplate Goon lying.
Hulk's cannot be tanked in any reasonable way.
Fly covetors not hulks.
A hulk will tank a pair of alpha maelstroms easily. |
Cyprus Black
Novatech Armada En Garde
208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:31:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:A Simple ResponseI would suggest the response is simple and two pronged.
- Concord notices the drop in the markets and in order to ensure the supposed stability of the universe, have placed a couple of concord ships resident in high sec asteroid belts only in addition to their current locations.
- CCP begins warning and taking action against blatant high sec offenders.
Anecdotal evidence has already started to surface of player discontent with allowing these actions to remain unpunished and indeed unrestrained. I question how long CCP will wait to allow bands of players to flagrantly collude to ignore intended game mechanics and deny greater segments of the player base the enjoyment of the chosen virtual profession that keeps the real-life game revenue coming in. There are some obvious and glaring problems with your "Simple Response" propositions.
1) It doesn't matter how many Concord ships are present. One or a million ships makes little to no difference due to a thing called Alpha Strike Damage. Basically highsec gankers fit their ships to do maximum amount of damage in one or two volleys. Concord cannot predict the future and cannot preemptively strike down gankers. They can only take action against gankers AFTER they've engaged in the deed. The ganker is guaranteed to get in at least one volley on the victim and often that's enough to get a kill.
2) EvE Online just turned nine years old. It's been a LONG standing policy that ganking in highsec is an allowable practice. Reversing that decision would take a massive amount of effort on CCPs part, both in getting the word out that the practice is no longer allowed and actually policing the new ruling.
A far more elegant and functional solution is to change the stats on the exumers or and/or boost their survivability. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
baltec1
1203
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:35:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:
A far more elegant and functional solution is to change the stats on the exumers or and/or boost their survivability.
Not needed. The hulk can tank very well if people chose to. Even the mac can be fitted with a good tank. |
Ituhata Saken
Elysium Enterprises
113
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:42:00 -
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no hope for retriever pilots, huh? |
Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
180
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:43:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Oddball Six wrote:The enemy? Yes, "enemy." You are my enemy, and you are the enemy of all EVE whether you know it or not. I wholeheartedly support the actions being taken against you, and I congratulate Kaeda Maxwell for destroying your mining vessel. I think Kaeda Maxwell deserves particular credit for killing your pod. Most highsec gankers are unable to kill the pods which, as we see in your case, often hold very valuable implants. If you are genuinely interested in learning why you are the enemy, and why you need to cease your mining activity, I invite you to read this quick post I wrote on the topic, which explains everything. Regardless, I wish you the best, unless you continue to mine in highsec in which case I wish you unending destruction (no offense).
You should run for public office. Long-winded sociopaths are always in demand there.
All I can say is that I hope you enjoy it when there is no more tritanium or pyreite to build your ganking ships, or indeed to build the ships you enjoy ganking.
Everyone claiming that EVE is a sandbox and that everyone should be able to do exactly what they want to do is missing an important part of CCPs vision. It's not just a sandbox, it's a sandbox with actions and consequences. You can do anything you want in real life, too. You're perfectly able to buy yourself a AR-15, walk into a library, and start putting rounds in people that don't want anything to do with you, and you can even steal from and eat their dead bodies. No place is truly safe. Do you think that you should be able to shoot people because they forgot to wear a bulletproof vest that day?
You bang on and on about the consequences of other people's choices and completely ignore your own, because you and the rest of the idiots are incapable of seeing past your own noses. I hope you and the Goons enjoy mining your own minerals and losing your Orcas and Exhumers. If you want to create an incentive for more people to live in nullsec/WH space, fine. Do it, and I'll look forward to it. If you want to harass and annihilate botters until CCP finally gets around to banning them, you'll hear no argument from me. Bots and RMT are a blight on the face of the green Earth and a festering pustule on the ass of our EVE.
I think your manifesto is a blatant troll, but on the off-chance you're actually serious, I just had to tell you what an idiot you are. Large nullsec alliances have FAR more influence over the direction of this game than any other group has ever had, and that influence is degrading EVE at an alarming rate. In fact, your causality chain is completely backwards. The sociopathic actions of pirates, thieves, and scum is what continues to deter people without serious psychological problems away from lowsec and nullsec. Facing a distinct lack of easy targets instead of other organized alliances, the powerful groups decided to impose their will on players that wanted nothing to do with them. Since CCP isn't a company of complete morons, they were forced to take action before they started losing subscriptions. If you want small scale PvP in nullsec back, then suggest ideas actually relevant to PvP, such as mechanics that make blobbing and hotdropping garbage less viable. Your immensely tedious whinging about players in highsec is no more or less valid or influential than the whining of highsec players that are getting caught in the crossfire of bored nullsec players disappointed with the situation in nullsec. |
Mercy Kills
Reapers...
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:45:00 -
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>.>
where this thread is going:
Nowhere |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1027
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:49:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:
You should run for public office. Long-winded sociopaths are always in demand there.
Everyone claiming that EVE is a sandbox and that everyone should be able to do exactly what they want to do is missing an important part of CCPs vision. It's not just a sandbox, it's a sandbox with actions and consequences. You can do anything you want in real life, too. You're perfectly able to buy yourself a AR-15, walk into a library, and start putting rounds in people that don't want anything to do with you, and you can even steal from and eat their dead bodies. No place is truly safe. Do you think that you should be able to shoot people because they forgot to wear a bulletproof vest that day?.
Petition God about it. |
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baltec1
1204
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:52:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:no hope for retriever pilots, huh?
Its possible to tank them against a destroyer. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2231
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died. Untrue, but hey keep saying that.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Since the middle of 2009, the amount of active players online has significantly decreased.
I agree with the OP. He posted a very excellent and concise thread. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
912
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Boilerplate Goon lying.
Hulk's cannot be tanked in any reasonable way.
Fly covetors not hulks.
A hulk will tank a pair of alpha maelstroms easily. It's a surprisingly small ship. It would be surprising if battleship weapons hurt it too badly
Of course, this doesn't hold true if a titan (with even bigger weapons) was shooting it, but that's hardly a problem. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Oddball Six
Oddball Corp
14
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:59:00 -
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Quote:How is that these "casuals" don't seem to get that their subscription is just a convenient cash grab by ccp. They don't matter as they come and go all the time. Thanks for injecting cash into ccp's wallet so they can keep developing the game for those that get it.
Make the gun substantially more dangerous and/or less fun for the casuals and a funny thing happens. You start losing them.
You are actually proving my point, not debasing it.
Quote:1) It doesn't matter how many Concord ships are present. One or a million ships makes little to no difference due to a thing called Alpha Strike Damage. Basically highsec gankers fit their ships to do maximum amount of damage in one or two volleys. Concord cannot predict the future and cannot preemptively strike down gankers. They can only take action against gankers AFTER they've engaged in the deed. The ganker is guaranteed to get in at least one volley on the victim and often that's enough to get a kill.
2) EvE Online just turned nine years old. It's been a LONG standing policy that ganking in highsec is an allowable practice. Reversing that decision would take a massive amount of effort on CCPs part, both in getting the word out that the practice is no longer allowed and actually policing the new ruling.
A far more elegant and functional solution is to change the stats on the exumers or and/or boost their survivability.
Item 1 of the approach I suggested takes a similar approach. If you can gank with a strength that in the first X bursts, you take down a hulk before concord takes you out, then by all means, have at it. Its just higher risk for your reward.
It took probably 4 or 5 strikes to take down my hulk. And one against my pod, and in neither case was I fast enough with my click sequence to warp out. As I have noted in this thread, I certainly learned a number of lessons I had forgotten since being in a corp that was war decc'd. But as I also noted, its because I went a different way with my gameplay and trusted to the system to promote (and inhibit) certain behaviors as it was intended to do.
My main points with all of my post boil down to two things: 1) CCP needs to decide at what point a high sec gank becomes grief and/or what impact they are willing to accept to the casual and/or non-pvp player base.
2) The advent of ganking competitions, large scale information sharing, large-scale cartel-like alliances building massive fleets, etc, has changed the level of risk and the ability of what players can do pushing into high-sec. High-sec needs to be re-tuned in some way. Either by balancing the ability of the mining ships to survive longer, adding security to some element of the system, or introducing a deterrent for players who engage in this activity in a systematic way that falls over to griefing - which is predicated on the CCP decision from point 1. |
Eso Es
Li3's Electric Cucumber SpaceMonkey's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:01:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Oddball Six wrote:Quote:"Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. " -http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You conveneniently have left out the bolded portion.
"A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. "
Hulkageddon can be quite profitable for the gankers, every 10 Exhumers is 100M ISK paid from goonswarm, not to mention mods/ore that drops from the actual kill.
I feel for you guys, I really do, but this:
Oddball Six wrote:
- Concord notices the drop in the markets and in order to ensure the supposed stability of the universe, have placed a couple of concord ships resident in high sec asteroid belts only in addition to their current locations.
just shows how little you guys actually know about game mechanics and protecting yourselves. You want CONCORD in your belt protecting your op? Build a throw away alt, warp him to said belt, aggro something illegally, and wammo CONCORD is now in your belt until it has to protect some other poor hapless HiSec resident.
Additionally, while I do feel badly for people who lose so much in these kills, I have to take the "metagame" side of the recent podcast debates, you are playing a multiplayer game, where other players actions regularly affect your own gaming experience. For someone to have no idea about Hulkageddon clearly shows they are not willing to involve themselves in the community (other than to complain about the consequences of not doing so), and as such are at a clear disadvantage to those who do follow what is happening in the game.
You don't have to metagame- but be prepared to accept the consequences of your ignorance. |
baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:03:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: It's a surprisingly small ship. It would be surprising if battleship weapons hurt it too badly
Of course, this doesn't hold true if a titan (with even bigger weapons) was shooting it, but that's hardly a problem.
Look at what I just cooked up
[Skiff, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
17.9k EHP and no implants in a damn skiff. It even gets +2 warp warp strength to boot. |
baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:04:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:baltec1 wrote:Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died. Untrue, but hey keep saying that. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilitySince the middle of 2009, the amount of active players online has significantly decreased. I agree with the OP. He posted a very excellent and concise thread.
The number of subscriptions has risen. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1758
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:04:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:I think your manifesto is a blatant troll, but on the off-chance you're actually serious, I just had to tell you what an idiot you are. Large nullsec alliances have FAR more influence over the direction of this game than any other group has ever had, Let's hope so.
Quote:....The sociopathic actions of pirates, thieves, and scum is what continues to deter people without serious psychological problems from lowsec and nullsec. You mean by blowing up spaceships in a game where people blow up spaceships? Is it sociopathic to play EVE as intended? I think not.
Quote:Facing a distinct lack of easy targets instead of other organized alliances, the powerful groups decided to impose their will on players that wanted nothing to do with them. Good. This is called "non-consensual PvP."
Quote:Since CCP isn't a company of complete morons, they were forced to take action before they started losing subscriptions. They lost subscriptions with Incarna, the expansion designed to gear the game toward a more mainstream audience. CCP gains subscriptions when they gear the game toward proper EVE players--the "sociopaths" you mentioned earlier.
You can have your mindless highsec mining...I and the rest of the EVE community will take Burn Jita and Hulkageddon any day. |
Oddball Six
Oddball Corp
14
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:06:00 -
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Reposting baltec1's fits from another post because of thier utility, in case someone else discovers this thread later looking at a similar issue to my own.
Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
32k tank +4 implant needed
[Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
22.4k tank no implants needed.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Estel Arador Corp Services
27
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:19:00 -
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hard to sympathize with the op's big ticket implants and empty mid slots. |
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