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Llywelyn Emrys
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:23:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:Reposting baltec1's fits from another post because of thier utility, in case someone else discovers this thread later looking at a similar issue to my own. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
32k tank +4 implant needed
[Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
22.4k tank no implants needed.
Good to see you adapting instead of calling it quits. You took a step towards being a real member of the EVE community today. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
198
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:23:00 -
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holy ****, this is the most intelligent tears I've seen in these forums. You did very well disguising them behind intelligent, thoughtful and patient words but they are still tears at the end of the day.
BTW, you can't blame CCP for your loss. You chose to go out and mine. You chose not to take precautions. So now you have to live up to your choices On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
585
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:24:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:Quote:How is that these "casuals" don't seem to get that their subscription is just a convenient cash grab by ccp. They don't matter as they come and go all the time. Thanks for injecting cash into ccp's wallet so they can keep developing the game for those that get it. Make the gun substantially more dangerous and/or less fun for the casuals and a funny thing happens. You start losing them. You are actually proving my point, not debasing it. You are operating under the assumption that we want them.
Not all publicity is good publicity. Not all money is good money. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Estel Arador Corp Services
27
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:33:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:Reposting baltec1's fits from another post because of thier utility, in case someone else discovers this thread later looking at a similar issue to my own. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
32k tank +4 implant needed
[Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
22.4k tank no implants needed.
There's going to be some dead catalysts hehe, enjoy.
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3D Horrorshow
Black Rebel Rifter Club
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:35:00 -
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Kaeda, great kill here, the only thing that could have made it better was if the victim had done a huge post bitching about it for all our amusement. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2231
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:baltec1 wrote:Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died. Untrue, but hey keep saying that. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilitySince the middle of 2009, the amount of active players online has significantly decreased. I agree with the OP. He posted a very excellent and concise thread. The number of subscriptions has risen.
lol, so has the amount of bookmarks in my browser, it doesn't mean they're all active or even used.
That graph shows the facts, not hearsay and misinformation gained from a company's PR department.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
706
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:53:00 -
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If you want to mine in perfect safety, go mine on sisi. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Keno Skir
136
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:55:00 -
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Repeat : I will not fly a ship that represents such a large portion of my wealth, that losing it means quitting the game. I will not fly a ship that represents such a large portion of my wealth, that losing it means quitting the game. I will not fly a ship that represents such a large portion of my wealth, that losing it means quitting the game.
It's an easy principal to grasp, and it's a concept that is as old as EvE itself. It is THE basic rule by which anyone with the slightest bit of foresight should play the game. If you don't live by this easy rule then regardless of how you came to lose your vessel, you must admit you were kinda pushing the limits weren't you? I'm not saying HTFU or saying PVP ONLY WAY TO GO!!!!... I'm just suggesting it as an act of common sense, i can't understand why people keep building themselves up for these MASSIVE losses The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:58:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, so has the amount of bookmarks in my browser, it doesn't mean they're all active or even used.
That graph shows the facts, not hearsay and misinformation gained from a company's PR department.
Subscriptions are where the money comes from. A graph of players on a few days is nice but says nothing about how much money is being made. |
Ituhata Saken
Elysium Enterprises
113
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:no hope for retriever pilots, huh? Its possible to tank them against a destroyer.
Hmph, that's probably good enough, any more expensive than a destroyer is not realyl worth wasting on the retriever,. |
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baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:14:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:
Hmph, that's probably good enough, any more expensive than a destroyer is not realyl worth wasting on the retriever,.
I have a procurer fit that stands a 50/50 chance of surviving a destroyer so the retriever should survive most attempts |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
58
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:22:00 -
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Here two type of people who pvp, a true warriors who fight vs combat ships druing war dec, or on low sec, or null space, second type a carebear who think they badass because he can kill other careberars who using miningbarges, also no balzz ******* bunch of idiots who fell mighty while destroying poor mining barge, even no profit form kiling them only empty killmails statistic with some value but infact 0 profit. Some people say, we do it for lulz but this is bulshit, here no fun at all while kiling carebear who blow in 5sec to two destroyers. |
baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:26:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:Here two type of people who pvp, a true warriors who fight vs combat ships druing war dec, or on low sec, or null space, second type a carebear who think they badass because he can kill other careberars who using miningbarges, also no balzz ******* bunch of idiots who fell mighty while destroying poor mining barge, even no profit form kiling them only empty killmails statistic with some value but infact 0 profit. Some people say, we do it for lulz but this is bulshit, here no fun at all while kiling carebear who blow in 5sec to two destroyer.
An untanked hulk with t2 strips and MLU will get you millions depending on your luck. |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:29:00 -
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Oddball Six wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arcticblue2 wrote:
Actually there are many good ideas... paying fines for suicideganking ... also does make the timer for concord last only in gametime so there is no point for the player to log off to wait out the timer with their main instead ... so that would make them having to wait a while before next target and such.
The ganker loses their ship They get a sec status hit and will be attacked by the empire navies when it gets low enough They turn flashy red in local and on the overveiw Anyone can attack a -10 pirates ship Concord will destroy any ship the pirate gets into within 15 minutes of aggression The "victim" can kill the pirate Seems we already have penalties in place. Which are clearly effective [/sarcasm]. I think that's the problem, none of these are particularly effective in a high sec zone. Particularly when these individuals are able to dock at stations, etc, as if nothing had happened.
Clearly, they are indeed effective. If you understand what effective means. Effective, despite the mewlings of the clueless, does not mean, "Nobody will ever blow up my failfit hulk! I will never suffer any negative consequences for my complete failure at risk mitigation!"
Protip: If your Industripie evolves into a Squishypod, use HARDENTFU. It's super-effective! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:29:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:Here two type of people who pvp, a true warriors who fight vs combat ships druing war dec, or on low sec, or null space, second type a carebear who think they badass because he can kill other careberars who using miningbarges, also no balzz ******* bunch of idiots who fell mighty while destroying poor mining barge, even no profit form kiling them only empty killmails statistic with some value but infact 0 profit. Some people say, we do it for lulz but this is bulshit, here no fun at all while kiling carebear who blow in 5sec to two destroyers.
posts like this make it worth all the while even if it was totally unprofitable eh |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
913
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:32:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:Here two type of people who pvp, a true warriors who fight vs combat ships druing war dec, or on low sec, or null space, second type a carebear who think they badass because he can kill other careberars who using miningbarges, also no balzz ******* bunch of idiots who fell mighty while destroying poor mining barge, even no profit form kiling them only empty killmails statistic with some value but infact 0 profit. Some people say, we do it for lulz but this is bulshit, here no fun at all while kiling carebear who blow in 5sec to two destroyers. posts like this make it worth all the while even if it was totally unprofitable Look, I see the "lulz" right there ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
58
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:Here two type of people who pvp, a true warriors who fight vs combat ships druing war dec, or on low sec, or null space, second type a carebear who think they badass because he can kill other careberars who using miningbarges, also no balzz ******* bunch of idiots who fell mighty while destroying poor mining barge, even no profit form kiling them only empty killmails statistic with some value but infact 0 profit. Some people say, we do it for lulz but this is bulshit, here no fun at all while kiling carebear who blow in 5sec to two destroyer. An untanked hulk with t2 strips and MLU will get you millions depending on your luck.
Fit tornado go to jita area in weekend while a lot people, scan industrals, you can earn bilions depending your luck... Still better solution to get money than hunting for 3 strip miners and mlu, and much easy. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:37:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:Fit tornado go to jita area in weekend while a lot people, scan industrals, you can earn bilions depending your luck... Still better solution to get money than hunting for 3 strip miners and mlu, and much easy.
because there most certainly aren't 200 dudes waiting to loot every ship that pops in jita eh |
baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:41:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:
Fit tornado go to jita area in weekend while a lot people, scan industrals, you can earn bilions depending your luck... Still better solution to get money than hunting for 3 strip miners and mlu, and much easy.
There is an endless supply of badly tanked hulks out there which will earn you a suprising amount of isk in a short time. Ganking miners is easyer as there is just so many of them. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, so has the amount of bookmarks in my browser, it doesn't mean they're all active or even used.
That graph shows the facts, not hearsay and misinformation gained from a company's PR department.
Subscriptions are where the money comes from. A graph of players on a few days is nice but says nothing about how much money is being made.
Considering there's no outside party to verify the numbers posted by a company PR representative, what little info there is available along with recent events seems to paint a different picture.
If what you and others claim is true, then the Eve Offline graph would definitely show it. |
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Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
184
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:10:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:I think your manifesto is a blatant troll, but on the off-chance you're actually serious, I just had to tell you what an idiot you are. Large nullsec alliances have FAR more influence over the direction of this game than any other group has ever had, Let's hope so. Quote:....The sociopathic actions of pirates, thieves, and scum is what continues to deter people without serious psychological problems from lowsec and nullsec. You mean by blowing up spaceships in a game where people blow up spaceships? Is it sociopathic to play EVE as intended? I think not. Quote:Facing a distinct lack of easy targets instead of other organized alliances, the powerful groups decided to impose their will on players that wanted nothing to do with them. Good. This is called "non-consensual PvP." Quote:Since CCP isn't a company of complete morons, they were forced to take action before they started losing subscriptions. They lost subscriptions with Incarna, the expansion designed to gear the game toward a more mainstream audience. CCP gains subscriptions when they gear the game toward proper EVE players--the "sociopaths" you mentioned earlier. You can have your mindless highsec mining...I and the rest of the EVE community will take Burn Jita and Hulkageddon any day.
Incarna wasn't mainstream, it was just complete crap. Melting people's GPUs because of some of the most terribly optimized code I've seen in a long time, charging $70 for a monocle, and showing their paying customers the door, literally, when disabling the CQ...well, that's bound to **** some people off.
For the record, I am not a miner. I also apologize for the name-calling; I'm in a foul mood. But, my point, that large nullsec alliances like Goonswarm and TEST wield far more power than the less organized highsec players, stands.
Here's the problem: yes, non-consensual PvP will happen. You are perfectly within your rights to destroy anything you feel like destroying. However, your actions have human consequences that reach far beyond getting your ship destroyed by CONCORD. Like it or not, in the current state of the game, highsec miners provide a large volume of low end minerals. Enticing them to ragequit doesn't help the economy, which directly hurts you and many, many other people, not all of them highsec "carebears." The large alliances mostly don't care about this, since they have renter mining corps and supply trains. But if ship and mineral prices increase significantly, it's yet another entry barrier for new players, especially into small-gang PvP, which is what you ultimately want. If battlecruiser hulls all break 100 mil, cruisers for 20 mil, frigates for 2 mil...you're actually reducing the incentive and ability of people who might have been interested in PvP to get started with it. Consequences have an annoying habit of cascading.
Basically, what I'm trying to say, is don't **** in your own sandbox, because nobody will want to play with you. |
baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:27:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:
Incarna wasn't mainstream, it was just complete crap. Melting people's GPUs because of some of the most terribly optimized code I've seen in a long time, charging $70 for a monocle, and showing their paying customers the door, literally, when disabling the CQ...well, that's bound to **** some people off.
For the record, I am not a miner. I also apologize for the name-calling; I'm in a foul mood. But, my point, that large nullsec alliances like Goonswarm and TEST wield far more power than the less organized highsec players, stands.
Here's the problem: yes, non-consensual PvP will happen. You are perfectly within your rights to destroy anything you feel like destroying. However, your actions have human consequences that reach far beyond getting your ship destroyed by CONCORD. Like it or not, in the current state of the game, highsec miners provide a large volume of low end minerals. Enticing them to ragequit doesn't help the economy, which directly hurts you and many, many other people, not all of them highsec "carebears." The large alliances mostly don't care about this, since they have renter mining corps and supply trains. But if ship and mineral prices increase significantly, it's yet another entry barrier for new players, especially into small-gang PvP, which is what you ultimately want. If battlecruiser hulls all break 100 mil, cruisers for 20 mil, frigates for 2 mil...you're actually reducing the incentive and ability of people who might have been interested in PvP to get started with it. Consequences have an annoying habit of cascading.
Basically, what I'm trying to say, is don't **** in your own sandbox, because nobody will want to play with you.
If miners were going to quit they would have done it years ago and prices have in fact been dropping over the last few weeks. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
If miners were going to quit they would have done it years ago and prices have in fact been dropping over the last few weeks.
Years ago Suicide Ganking Industrial ships wasn't as prevalent in-game as it is now.
Also the majority of players who rage quit this game are Industrialists. |
baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:52:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Years ago Suicide Ganking Industrial ships wasn't as prevalent in-game as it is now.
Also the majority of players who rage quit this game are Industrialists.
Sure it was. You think its bad now? You should have been here when M0o were camping the space lanes killing everything including CONCORD
They are what brought about the CONCORD we see today. And its not industrialists that quit in a fit of rage. Its the risk adverce cowardly fools who do stupid things and the blaim everyone and everything for their own mistakes. The type of people who, rather than learn from mistakes will whine to CCP to change the core of a 9 year old game because they don't want to face failing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:00:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote: But, my point, that large nullsec alliances like Goonswarm and TEST wield far more power than the less organized highsec players, stands. Yeah, that's sort of to be expected. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
96
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:01:00 -
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Whiners don't quit, they just whine over and over again. True story. I wish they would quit since they contribute nothing to the game except their subscriptions and forum griefing.
Also, amazing how many people can't separate RL from a game. It's depressing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:06:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Whiners don't quit, they just whine over and over again. True story. I wish they would quit since they contribute nothing to the game except their subscriptions and forum griefing.
Also, amazing how many people can't separate RL from a game. It's depressing. Let me tell you about a certain highsec miner that had a lowsec pos .... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:19:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:Here two type of people who pvp, a true warriors who fight vs combat ships druing war dec, or on low sec, or null space, second type a carebear who think they badass because he can kill other careberars who using miningbarges, also no balzz ******* bunch of idiots who fell mighty while destroying poor mining barge, even no profit form kiling them only empty killmails statistic with some value but infact 0 profit. Some people say, we do it for lulz but this is bulshit, here no fun at all while kiling carebear who blow in 5sec to two destroyers. posts like this make it worth all the while even if it was totally unprofitable
ah but isnt that CCP's definition of actionable ganking? |
baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:22:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
ah but isnt that CCP's definition of actionable ganking?
Nope. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:ah but isnt that CCP's definition of actionable ganking? Nope. Maybe they should ask CCP. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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