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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:15:00 -
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A Pilot License Extension (PLEX) is an item that adds 30 days of game time to your EVE Online account and this new blog by GM Grimmi tells you everything you need to know about using PLEX to extend the life of your account. Full details are available here.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:32:00 -
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looking forward to the next blog and hoprfully it will detail the mass bannings everyones been talking about.
apologises for spam lol
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 11/08/2009 15:33:26 I think the PLEX effort is a good one. It does open up EVE for a lot of players worldwide.
I am however also interested in the 'unholy rage' campaign, as the number of times I've encountered ISK selling local spam seems to be on the increase, and is, by all accounts, rather annoying. Reporting on spammers is usually acted upon rather quickly, but apparently, this doesn't stop the buggers from creating yet another account. Surely something could be implemented to make the whole procedure more easy on the player, blocking them is much easier to do for example ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:36:00 -
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Good reading!
One question remains though, how do you explain the drastic increase of stocked up PLEX? The amount increased almost by 100% in just 2 months. At the same time, the usage of PLEX to extend accounts even dropped slightly.
At the same time the price of the PLEX drastically dropped by almost 25% - yet still the usage to extend the accounts didn't rise during that time.
Any consistent explanations for that?
Thanks for the blog. There are some really interesting numbers!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:43:00 -
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Pretty graphs. I love it
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:48:00 -
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Very interesting. A good addition would be the ability to exchange PLEX for EVE Store credit on Merchandise.
Scenario A: "Ah, the memories. Look, there's my good old trusty Navy Issue Battleship, the Apocalypse. Laid down some serious pwnage in that hawt piece of doom-machine. Too bad she's just sitting there gathering simulated spacedust now since I'm driving that Strategic Cruiser." Ah wait .. I can exchange it for the physical model. Awesome!
Scenario B: "Ah the memories. Look at all those threaded way-point maps I collected when I used to do high-sec missions." .. Ah wait, I can exchange them for Strategic Map Books. Awesome!
Only slight *cough* issue is it does open up for Ebay trade of the items :(
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Wrayeth
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:57:00 -
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Interesting stuff.
That said, I'm wondering what the reference to "the late CCP Oveur" meant, with the words "the late" being struck through. Is this one of those "rumors of my recent demise have been largely exaggerated" situations or something? -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:37:00 -
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You should make it possible to report ISK selling spammer swine with a single mouse click, just like in WoW. Right-click on the name, and select "Report ISK Seller"¦from the menu.
Then set a database threshold. Once a character has been reported by 15 or 20 or 30 different players, an actual real human being, employed by CCP, looks into the matter, especialy channel messages sent in the minutes prior to the various reportings. If it is indeed ISK seller spam, the banhammer strikes.
A more sophisticated solution gives each player account a report weighting. This can start out at 10 points, but every time an account spam-reports a post that is not in the end deemed to be spam, that account's report weighting is dropped by 1. Thus if one has a single reporting accident, or two, one's weight only drops to 9 or 8 respectively, but a player who keeps reporting others as spammers for no good reason will soon lose all weight - his reports no longer count towards the threshold, since they are weight zero.
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude (CBWA) |
Mme Pinkerton
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi There is now a good deal of PLEXes in stock, as shown by the yellow line, which is good for CCP, as it provides them with a steadily growing line of credit.
fixed that for you.
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SecHaul
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: GM Grimmi There is now a good deal of PLEXes in stock, as shown by the yellow line, which is good for CCP, as it provides them with cash in the bank and credit that if EVE folds they never have to pay back.
fixed that for you.
fixed it for you.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Good reading!
One question remains though, how do you explain the drastic increase of stocked up PLEX? The amount increased almost by 100% in just 2 months. At the same time, the usage of PLEX to extend accounts even dropped slightly.
At the same time the price of the PLEX drastically dropped by almost 25% - yet still the usage to extend the accounts didn't rise during that time.
Any consistent explanations for that?
Thanks for the blog. There are some really interesting numbers!
PLEX being used to purchase FanFest tickets would be my guess. Speculation on that part certainly drove the price up, and caused people to purchase PLEX to put up for sale hoping to strike it big while the price was still astronomical.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:08:00 -
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More unholy rage.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad You should make it possible to report ISK selling spammer swine with a single mouse click, just like in WoW. Right-click on the name, and select "Report ISK Seller"¦from the menu.
Then set a database threshold. Once a character has been reported by 15 or 20 or 30 different players, an actual real human being, employed by CCP, looks into the matter, especialy channel messages sent in the minutes prior to the various reportings. If it is indeed ISK seller spam, the banhammer strikes.
A more sophisticated solution gives each player account a report weighting. This can start out at 10 points, but every time an account spam-reports a post that is not in the end deemed to be spam, that account's report weighting is dropped by 1. Thus if one has a single reporting accident, or two, one's weight only drops to 9 or 8 respectively, but a player who keeps reporting others as spammers for no good reason will soon lose all weight - his reports no longer count towards the threshold, since they are weight zero.
Good idea, you should open a thread in Assembly Hall, sure a lot of people will support it.
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Generalissima
Vandal Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:17:00 -
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How is buying isk from the ChiComs or directly from other players "destructive" but buying it from CCP "sweetness and light"?
Sorry, RMT, whether it be a CCP monopoly or between others has the same effect, and is either good or bad. Yes, buying from farms is risky because most of them are not legitimate businesses, but CCP isn't any moral superior, in that they are also offering ISK for Euros.
I hate farmers too and love killing them, but CCP has no moral soapbox to stand on.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Generalissima How is buying isk from the ChiComs or directly from other players "destructive" but buying it from CCP "sweetness and light"?
What do you mean? PLEX'es are used to buy ISK from other players, CCP is not involved.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 11/08/2009 17:30:37
Originally by: Generalissima How is buying isk from the ChiComs or directly from other players "destructive" but buying it from CCP "sweetness and light"?
Sorry, RMT, whether it be a CCP monopoly or between others has the same effect, and is either good or bad.Yes, buying from farms is risky because most of them are not legitimate businesses, but CCP isn't any moral superior, in that they are also offering ISK for Euros.
I hate farmers too and love killing them, but CCP has no moral soapbox to stand on.
Yes they are pretty much the same, except that CCP doesn't offer isk for euros(just gtc/plex=transferrable gametime), isn't involved in criminal activity, doesn't hack players accounts and doesn't use your creditcard info without your permission or sell off your assets. Not to mention the money that goes to CCP is partially used to develop the game further. So almost no difference at all.
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Hikaru Kobayashi
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hikaru Kobayashi on 11/08/2009 17:45:51 @Generalissima: The difference is that your money contributes to the game very directly, vs. contributing to the wealth of the Chinese sweatshop owners. Very directly, because every PLEX sold means a player is going to play for another month, a player who might be in your alliance, or fight you in that awesome 1 vs 1 duel tomorrow. Had you not sold the PLEX for ISK, the player would have either 1. stopped playing, or 2. paid CCP the money instead of you. So as you see here, CCP does not actually æmake moneyÆ from this system other than the playerÆs regular fees they would otherwise also receive, and a higher number of active players (which is good for everyone).
Of course that leaves the other question, whether using real money to buy in-game assets is moral, or fair. But if you ask me, the way CCP has done it actually makes the game more fair in two ways: firstly, people with a lot of time on their hands but little or no income can play the game without having to worry about affording the monthly fee. And second, people who have a busy working life will still be able to keep up with the hard-core players. The only thing it hurts is the e-peen of the hard-core players.
Yeah, itÆs a pretty clever system CCP has set up here.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Generalissima How is buying isk from the ChiComs or directly from other players "destructive" but buying it from CCP "sweetness and light"?
Sorry, RMT, whether it be a CCP monopoly or between others has the same effect, and is either good or bad. Yes, buying from farms is risky because most of them are not legitimate businesses, but CCP isn't any moral superior, in that they are also offering ISK for Euros.
I hate farmers too and love killing them, but CCP has no moral soapbox to stand on.
But you do understand that selling the product "Eve" either with 'normal' accounts via credit-card or with selling GTC (for a similar price) is CCP's business?
And that CCP uses the income from that business to pay for new hardware, emplying devs and improving/fixing Eve.
And that isk sellers will just pocket the real $$$ and contributing nothing to the improvement of Eve, quite the contrary. They will take the $$$ (probably install keyloggers etc.) and just go away with that money, thus hurting CCP and Eve.
You do understand that, right? Right???
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Everybody, Including the account hacking, credit card stealing forum spamming and macroing ISK sellers who also use plex to keep there accounts going so we largly ignore them anyway unless they do something so brazen that we have no real choice but to pretend we are cracking down on them
fixed your typo for you.
Lets face it you guys are flat out lying to yourselves and everyone else when you try to say that plex is good because the reality is that its only good for you because you get to pocket the cash from that specific RMT.
Here is the reality.
Its still RM for ISK transaction.
you ARE encoraging people to spend real cash to buy ISK.
and according to your little graph thers gona be one hell of a crash in prices comeing up soon because supply is starting to way outpace demand
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hikaru Kobayashi So as you see here, CCP does not actually æmake moneyÆ from this system other than the playerÆs regular fees they would otherwise also receive, and a higher number of active players, which is good for everyone.
The 16,000 PLEX that are 'in stock' tells me that CCP has earned over $200,000 more from the player-base than if every current subscriber paid from month-to-month, while the constant difference between number of PLEX created and number of PLEX consumed further tells me that CCP will continue to make more money than they otherwise would from GTC and subscription sales alone.
Originally by: Hikaru Kobayashi But if you ask me, the way CCP has done it actually makes the game more fair in two ways: firstly, people with a lot of time on their hands but little or no income can play the game without having to worry about affording the monthly fee. And second, people who have a busy working life will still be able to keep up with the hard-core players. The only thing it hurts is the e-peen of the hard-core players.
Hardly hard-core here, and I feel that any kind of RMT greatly devalues certain aspects of gameplay, by making losses too easy to replace and devaluing in-game achievements like earning enough ISK to afford your first battleship. It is also corrosive to the egalitarian ideal that your own efforts in-game, mixed with a little luck, are what determines your overall success. Monopoly would be a lot less fun if a richer opponent of yours could pay the banker some cash in return for all of the stations, or the utilities.
Originally by: Gnulpie And that isk sellers will just pocket the real $$$ and contributing nothing to the improvement of Eve, quite the contrary. They will take the $$$ (probably install keyloggers etc.) and just go away with that money, thus hurting CCP and Eve.
It's almost a shame that the illegitimate (in CCP's eyes) ISK sellers resort to underhanded tactics to feed their greed. If they were completely above-board in their dealings, then the most immoral thing (beyond the question of the moral nature of RMT itself, and questions regarding worker exploitation) they could be accused of is making profit off of someone elses property, something which CCP does not allow but other games are perfectly happy with (Second Life being the easiest example to cite). As such companies would need a significant number of paid-for accounts, a proportion of that money still goes back to CCP. In other words, with an 'honest' RMT company, a proportion of your money is still going to CCP's pocket, making the money cycle very similar to the legitimate RMT cash cycle that is in place.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:49:00 -
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I also think its kind of unfair for someone to be able to use real money to buy isk and thus out compete with me. Say a new ship comes out and you have to buy 10bil worth of BPOs to produce. One person can spend time in game to earn the money to buy the BPOs. Someone else can buy 10bil ISK. How is that fair?
Sure, the PLEX cuts down on stealing CCP property, but it also means CCP is endorsing paying to avoid playing.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ
Good idea, you should open a thread in Assembly Hall, sure a lot of people will support it.
I can't be bothered, but you and others are welcome to present the idea on there, or in other sub-forums. Since the idea isn't even mine (I stole it from Blizzard), you don't have to give me credit for it if you do post about it.
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude (CBWA) |
Iridescent Moon
Caldari Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Good reading!
One question remains though, how do you explain the drastic increase of stocked up PLEX? The amount increased almost by 100% in just 2 months. At the same time, the usage of PLEX to extend accounts even dropped slightly.
PLEX is one of the elements of Eve I follow closely. I would not be playing Eve without it. This is a repost, you can look at my posting history for other PLEX comments. It is mostly what this pilot posts about. This post is from June 13th.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1095914&page=3#76
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If you look at the market graph in Jita for PLEX you see a manipulation starting about a month ago (May 20th). Then prices fall. When CCP announced the PLEX for FanFest deal the price shot up. As stated in my previous post the numbers of PLEX that will be consumed by PLEX for FanFest is fairly small when looking at the broader PLEX market. What really happened is that speculators heard about FanFest and thought it would be a good time to get in on PLEX and resell later with the assumed impending boost from the expected PLEX usage increase.
Let me stated this clearly. The Price increase since May 20th has been do to SPECULATION not do to consumption. THis is clearly demonstrated in this thread. You see 2 types of posts...
Speculation: "I have invested in PLEX, you should too."
Less Demand: "PLEX are to expensive, I have/will stop using PLEX for my account(s)"
I can't wait for the crash, it will be fun to watch.
Rampant speculation pushed the price up to a level that lowered consumption of PLEX. Speculators were buying and hoarding PLEX. Eventually the PLEX for Fanfest wave was over. Stacked on top of that was a rumored RMT macro ban. Both caused a reduction in demand. Eventually the bubble popped. Now all those speculators are holding PLEX they bought at 300-375 million. They were trading a wave they hoped would go well above 400 million but, the price has dipped and stayed down. If they dump they lose money so they will hold.
If PLEX prices rise people will unload access stock pushing the price back down. According to the graph we are probably looking at months of low cost PLEX before you will see any tangible price increases.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert I also think its kind of unfair for someone to be able to use real money to buy isk and thus out compete with me.
I think it is kind of unfair for someone to spend real life money to buy a game item and then loses it within seconds.
See? That argument goes both ways.
If I would buy 10 bil with GTC I would have to sell 30+ PLEX which would cost way over $400.
So risking $400 for just some internet spaceship which can explode any moment is nothing for the light hearted.
Actually I would prefer to lose 10 bil in game money instead of losing $400. But if someone wants to pay that much and enable other people to play the game cheap or even 'free', then I do not mind.
I think the PLEX trade is one of CCP's most brilliant ideas over the years.
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Nierna
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:46:00 -
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fair or not. encouraging RMT or not players will always try to buy ingame money for real money no mater howmuch you are against it. now ask yourself this. would you rather have CCP get that money or some chineese dude running several computers with macro programs.
its chosing the lesser of 2 evils that is being done here.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.12 01:00:00 -
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I'm a bit annoyed there is no pink in the pretty graphs
Beyond that, looking forward to the next blog. Details on the bannings and cleanups would be great, feed us soap operas and farmer tears
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Hector Pirensis
The Blood Roses
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Posted - 2009.08.12 02:58:00 -
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Damn those isk-sellers trying to spoil the fun. The playing field is much leveler now that it is LEGITIMATE to just buy your way through EVE using RL money. I welcome the fairness and competition of a 15 year old using Dad's credit card to buy (a) a five year old account, (b) +5s, (c) and a carrier or two, while I still put in an hour or so a day as I always have and still try to 'aspire' to these endeavours through honest toil. I can honestly say the game was a lot more challenging and rewarding before this started. I spent 6 months mining and saving to build my first freighter and it was immensely rewarding - but I really feel like a fool when I see this n00b gameplay purchase nonsense all pushed by CCP. It's really hard to see they care. Bah Sig. |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari The-corp
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Posted - 2009.08.12 04:32:00 -
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Quote: Not only are PLEXes good for extending EVE Online subscriptions but they are also a hot market item and the in-game market offers great opportunities for market savvy individuals. There are tycoons out there who have made their fortunes in the PLEX market, buying low - selling high.
Soooo... jita scammers are now "tycoons", hm.... i wonder... My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei
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Posted - 2009.08.12 06:54:00 -
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Please give us a Battle Report on how Operation "Unholy Rage" went, as soon as possible.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Max Omega
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: GM Grimmi Everybody, Including the account hacking, credit card stealing forum spamming and macroing ISK sellers who also use plex to keep there accounts going so we largly ignore them anyway unless they do something so brazen that we have no real choice but to pretend we are cracking down on them
fixed your typo for you.
Lets face it you guys are flat out lying to yourselves and everyone else when you try to say that plex is good because the reality is that its only good for you because you get to pocket the cash from that specific RMT.
Here is the reality.
Its still RM for ISK transaction.
you ARE encoraging people to spend real cash to buy ISK.
and according to your little graph thers gona be one hell of a crash in prices comeing up soon because supply is starting to way outpace demand
Err...you don't buy ISK with PLEX's you buy game time, true you can then sell your game time for isk, but that's just shifting isk from one account to another. For RMT, the money usually flows out of the game, without getting game time in place.
Buying a PLEX is no different than buying account time with your credit-card or GTC's, in both cases the money goes to CCP for developing the game and the game time goes to a player, only with PLEX's it's possible to move the game time around a bit through trade.
And yes there might be a crash, but then more people will probably tempted to buy the PLEX's and prices will rise again, which is kinda how markets work, supply and demand...
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