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Gareshor
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:50:00 -
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I've seen a lot of guides which frown upon solo mining in low sec as too risky, for obvious reasons. So how much better would a mining operation be with two people? Can two people set up in an unpopulated low sec system? How about wormhole space? And where do POS's enter into the equation?
At this point, I've been playing eve for a little over a month, and I joined with a friend. He wants to do mining, but I'm more geared towards exploration and combat. I'm thinking I could basically work in a fully fitted escorty ship while he does mining and I float around ratting. Can that work, or are there alternatives which might work instead?
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Lady Aja
Caldari The Logistical Nightmare
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:00:00 -
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explor till you probe down a grav site. let youre mate mine happily away. split as agreed.. carry on ratting.
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:15:00 -
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With two people its less risky (there is no safe in eve), the best thing to do is make friends with the locals in lo-sec, as they often run intel channels, and they may come and help protect you, especailly if you dont mind being bait for them.
PoS's are great as a safe spot and mineral storage point, especially in class 1 and 2 WH's, as they're almost impossible to loose due to mass restrictions, and if you've got a good stront load (>24 hours) most gangs wont hang around to finish the job unless they want to set up there.
There are corps out there that will go and bust mining ops in WH's, so keep an eye on the scanner even then you cant be 100% safe, i was mining on an alt a few weeks back and lost a hulk, and never saw the probes on scan.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.08.12 14:04:00 -
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I'd say the safest bet is to find a dead-end low-sec system that is virtually unpopulated, has virtually no traffic, and has a few decent belts in it. Might be a little hard to find, but doable. My corp managed to find a really nice system.
Anyway, the next step would be to put up a POS there as a safe spot and mineral storage. Your friend can mine away in belts and store ore at the POS to be taken to a station later for reprocessing. He should stay aligned to the POS at all times, and if he sees anyone enter local, run back. While he mines, you can rat in the blets there and in adjacent systems. But, as a lone ratter, I'd recommend you also run back to the POS if anyone enters local.
Your second biggest problem will be risk of someone taking your POS out either to claim the area as theirs or just for kicks. But your biggest problem will be capital. It isn't cheap to own & operate a POS. I always think you should buy a faction POS because you will make up for that cost with fuel savings in a few months. But a small faction tower costs around 350-400 mill, and a faction medium 400-500 mill. Fuel cost of a faction medium is around 75 mill / month. Plus you have the cost of all the structures. All you need in the POS is a ship hangar and corporate hangar (totaling around 30 mill). Then you will need defenses, which could range anywhere from 20 mill to 200 mill depending on your setup (and I'm not talking faction guns).
Cheapest option is to join a low-sec corp. Look around, you might find one you like. For instance, my corp is a small, tight knit bunch, but we are always open to good new members, and we're in a decent alliance with 0.0 access. You are welcome to mail / convo me in game.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:46:00 -
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Why do you want to mine in low sec? The low sec ores are worth the same or less than ores found in high sec and you have to deal with not being able to mine due to pirates and you have to haul the ore/minerals out through the low sec/high sec border which is often heavily camped.
You could mine grav sites in low sec but imho that's a waste of time (so easy for the pirates to scan you down and once they have they can just warp to them every time they enter the system).
If you're bound and determined to mine in dangerous space then go into wormholes.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Celia Therone Why do you want to mine in low sec? The low sec ores are worth the same or less than ores found in high sec and you have to deal with not being able to mine due to pirates and you have to haul the ore/minerals out through the low sec/high sec border which is often heavily camped.
You could mine grav sites in low sec but imho that's a waste of time (so easy for the pirates to scan you down and once they have they can just warp to them every time they enter the system).
If you're bound and determined to mine in dangerous space then go into wormholes.
If you are in a system as DEAD as some are, it is almost safer than high sec (no can flippers or other griefers). Plus, if someone does come into local, good chances are you have numbers on them since it is usually just you / your alliance in system. Enough to scare off the usual 1 or 2 pirate gang. And the roids are generally HUGE, so you don't have to deal with roids that pop after 1-3 cycles. Just keep an eye glued to local, and quiet low-sec can be a great place to mine. Plus your non-indy players can fly around ratting or heading off potential pirates for some PVP action
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Forge Trader
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Posted - 2009.08.12 19:31:00 -
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Wh mining is imho safer and more profitable than 0.0. Losec is, I believe, not possible to mine profitably due to the abundance of pirates.
Try:
1. Enter a wh you have probed out of hisec. If it is unoccupied, go get your mining buddy. Otherwise, look for another wh.
2. I would recommend using a Covetor, not a Hulk. About 1/5 the cost. Just one Iteron V of Arkoner, & you will pay for your miner AND your hauler. Everything else is profit.
3. Watch the directional scanner. Keep your clone up to date.
4. For two people, a fine adventure with both risk and isk. 0.0, & especially losec, are more about risk than isk.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.13 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 13/08/2009 16:02:29 Didn't you get the memo? The only ore worth mining is veldspar/ABC(+M)
EDIT: Just to clarify, lowsec mining is about as useful as belt ratting in a shuttle in 1.0 space.
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Edited by: Karentaki on 13/08/2009 16:02:29 lowsec mining is about as useful as belt ratting in a shuttle in 1.0 space.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Edited by: Karentaki on 13/08/2009 16:02:29 Didn't you get the memo? The only ore worth mining is veldspar/ABC(+M)
EDIT: Just to clarify, lowsec mining is about as useful as belt ratting in a shuttle in 1.0 space.
Well, I moved out to low-sec to mine at a time when there was damn near no ore left in high-sec except for a few remote systems. Even systems w/o stations were commonly empty. Now I have huge roids, at every belt, and a POS to store stuff at in system. But I have heard more recently that there is more ore out there in high-sec again. If that is the case, then high-sec may be the best bet if mining is the ONLY activity you do. I still like my little system where every belt has around 2 million units or more of veldspar alone.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.14 13:24:00 -
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The low-sec only ores aren't really worth mining. Veldspar isn't currently the top hi-sec ore; Plagioclase was a couple of days ago followed closely by Kernite (trit was down to 3.22 where I was). None of the low-sec only ores are nearly as valuable. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
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