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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:37:00 -
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Ok, got myself one of these as it seemed like a good addition to the hangar.
Which it is, hell, can run level 4s with it
Anyway, i could set afk mining with it aswell, with 5 drones. Takes a while, around 5 hours(low tech), but could.
Another idea i had was this(most likely used too);
Minership in orca, get to mining spot, launch ship, board mining ship, mine, fill orca, board orca, pick up ship, dock.
Opinions? Profitable? Possible? Better ways?
Note: this is solo play, without gangmates and without other accounts.
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:41:00 -
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If you're going to do the "Eject from orca into another ship" thing then remember to always keep the orca locked. This in no way makes it a good or sensible idea but it does at least mean that people can't simply get into it and fly off.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Lamthara Lachesis
Amarr Humanware Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 If you're going to do the "Eject from orca into another ship" thing then remember to always keep the orca locked. This in no way makes it a good or sensible idea but it does at least mean that people can't simply get into it and fly off.
THIS! i had the same idea. Actually not everyone has the abilities to fly an orca but you'll never know. People can track you down and try to steal your precious ship once they'll read this post :|
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Spud Mackenzie
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:20:00 -
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This is very efficient, and quite easy so long as you're careful.
The Orca will register as an abandoned ship to anyone curious enough to look for it. So it will be quite the tempting target to most.
Only use this trick in very unpopulated systems. Typically, if there are a few belts and no stations, it will be a pretty quiet system. Most small time miners don't want to have to jump next door to drop off their ore... which won't be a problem for you. The Orca can pretty much hold an entire belt in a single trip.
As was mentioned, make sure you keep the Orca target locked with your mining ship.
Reason being, it's a wardec mechanic to prevent Concordoken. If a war target is being fired upon, and ejects, their ship still belongs to them and is still a valid target. If a neutral pilot were to get into it, it would cease to be a valid target, and the attacker would get Concorded for continued fire. So to prevent such, any ship that is being targeted can only be boarded by the original owner.
This means if you eject, and then lock, only you can get back into the ship.
But ECM can ruin your day quick, fast, and in a hurry... so keep an eye out. If you see anyone who may present a problem, practice this sequence.
1) Cut mining lasers. (If you don't, when you leave the ship extra ore will appear) 2) Dump ore from hold. (Ships with ore in the hold can not be scooped) 3) Board the Orca directly. (Do not eject first and then try to reboard, this will cause a timer) 4) Scoop mining ship. (If they were capable of flying an Orca, they can probably fly your Hulk or whatever)
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:25:00 -
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Thanks for the replies, i guess it was a good idea as others do it too
So to be clear;
If i'm in a hulk and i have the orca locked, with no wardecs etc, only by removing the hulk lock you can board the orca?
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
If i'm in a hulk and i have the orca locked, with no wardecs etc, only by removing the hulk lock you can board the orca?
Yes, but this exposes you to two risks.
First is one guy in a covops ejecting too when you do to board the Orca. Who will board first may depend on lag condition, etc...
Second risk is simply one guy bumping your Hulk ourt of lock range, and an accomplice boarding the Orca as lock breaks.
In short, a really stupid idea, especially now that you spoke of it on the forums... -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:56:00 -
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This is, essentially, a really, really bad idea.
Like skydiving without a parachute bad. Trying to breathe in a vacuum bad.
The Crime and Punishment forum is literally full of people who would like nothing more than to steal your unoccupied half a billion ISk ship from you while it's empty. --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Spud Mackenzie
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
If i'm in a hulk and i have the orca locked, with no wardecs etc, only by removing the hulk lock you can board the orca?
Yes, but this exposes you to two risks.
First is one guy in a covops ejecting too when you do to board the Orca. Who will board first may depend on lag condition, etc...
Second risk is simply one guy bumping your Hulk ourt of lock range, and an accomplice boarding the Orca as lock breaks.
In short, a really stupid idea, especially now that you spoke of it on the forums...
1) You can board one ship directly from another, without having to eject into a Pod first. So there is no threat of a CovOps boarding first. And if you park the Hulk directly on top of the Orca, they wouldn't have any idea when you planned on switching until they saw the Hulk become vacant.
2) If someone manages to bump your Hulk at least 22km in a single blow, then yeah you'd have a problem. But they would have to be smart to accomplish it to begin with. Either they'd have to warp into the belt somewhere and ram you with one hell of an MWD combo going. Or they'd have to warp in, get a BM right on top of you, then warp out and back in and hope to hit you with warp speed behind them. Either way, you'd see them coming in some form or fashion, and hope to switch ships before they accomplished either. Better to play bumper cars with the Orca and let them steal the Hulk, I'd say.
However, it is a very good point that discussing such things in forums isn't terribly wise. Of course, you could be using a totally different character to post, than you do to mine. In which case, you'll be fine!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:23:00 -
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About speaking it on a forum. Well, it's not like my plan is actually THIS
Just checking the mechanics etc.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:27:00 -
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Two people: One to blow up your Hulk and the other to board the Orca while you're still on the session change timer. Or just a Blackbird. Jams you so you no longer target the Orca and then hops in. Granted, you have some reaction time to safe your Orca but it's still dangerous. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Spud Mackenzie
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Posted - 2009.08.12 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Two people: One to blow up your Hulk and the other to board the Orca while you're still on the session change timer. Or just a Blackbird. Jams you so you no longer target the Orca and then hops in. Granted, you have some reaction time to safe your Orca but it's still dangerous.
High sec = dead Blackbird.
The two man team is a problem though. The jammer gets Concorded, but the other is free to steal the unoccupied ship.
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Car Wars
Pigs In Space United Proletariat Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Car Wars on 12/08/2009 15:28:02
Lol, stupid stuff, hope to see a movie of someone stealing the orca
-a bb could ecm burst you and immidiately board the orca, if he is quick he does it before concord arrives...And then maybe concord destroys the orca, that would be hilarious. Or he boards the hulk if you jump in the orca, either way you lose good isk.
-somebody could bump your hulk out of lock range of the orca like said, if they manage that 1. they can board the orca, 2. you cant because your far out of boarding range...
but to end with a minor detail raining on your parade: Can you dump ore on an orca that is not in you gang....(offline ship in gang gotta see that)
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.12 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Mackenzie
2) If someone manages to bump your Hulk at least 22km in a single blow, then yeah you'd have a problem.
No need to go that far. The first bump only need to bump out of board range taht is under 7km iirc, a bump easy to do in say a 1600mm plated cruiser. The warpin can be provided by a covops.
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Spud Mackenzie
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Spud Mackenzie on 12/08/2009 20:46:42
Originally by: Car Wars but to end with a minor detail raining on your parade: Can you dump ore on an orca that is not in you gang....(offline ship in gang gotta see that)
You can't dump into the cargo hold, but you have access to the Corp hangar.
So you add all your rocks into there, and then reboard and shift ore around since the cargo bay is larger than the corp hangar.
Nifty things to know about the Orca...
- You can access the Corp hangars without a pilot - You can refit ships without a pilot -- Refitting ships, particularly onlining new modules, does not consume your Cap (POS modules -does- consume Cap) - You can store or withdraw ships in the maint bay, without a pilot
Basically, you can do everything external with an Orca, whether they're a pilot or not.
Too bad they cost so much, or they'd completely replace the Ship Maint modules for a POS
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Amidel
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:09:00 -
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There was some discussion about the locking trick not working any longer.
Regardless, I'm more than happy to suicide a Blackbird in order to snaffle your 400m Orca.
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Spud Mackenzie
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amidel There was some discussion about the locking trick not working any longer.
Regardless, I'm more than happy to suicide a Blackbird in order to snaffle your 400m Orca.
Still worked last time I tried it. Even the CEO couldn't get into the driver's seat.
Again, it works and works well... provided you're cautious.
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